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On January 17 2018 04:31 Danglars wrote:
lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too?
You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue.
That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point.
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So have the second amendment people taken care of Trump yet?
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On January 17 2018 04:28 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 03:43 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 03:22 ChristianS wrote:On January 17 2018 01:08 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Holy hell what a shitty UI... One would think more money would be spent for additional protocols not just a text link.
Exhibit A next time people wonder where govt got its bad rep. And then the Trumpmania tweets about how it's really his fault that Hawaii did a bad job of it. Sigh. But you see Trump must have been informed immediately of the fake threat, so it's his fault for not telling people ... The idiocy cycle continues. You're trying to score points for two of your biggest messages here, both that the government is incompetent and can't be trusted, and that the anti-Trump is hysterical and constantly blames him for things that aren't his fault. I can appreciate the effort to stay on message. But I don't think you quite prove what you wanted to. To the first point, you've highlighted a single instance of the government making a UI badly. But for it to be very strong, you'd want to prove that the government is uniquely bad at this, or to put it another way, that the private sector doesn't fuck up UI's this badly. But they do, all the time. I bet with a little googling I could find maybe a dozen blogs dedicated entirely to highlighting and making fun of atrocious UIs, and most of their material would be private sector stuff. I would probably suspect that the private sector fucks up this sort of thing less often, but this is pretty poor proof of it. To the other point, there's several problems with this as an example of the hysterical anti-Trump left. First, as others have noted, I haven't seen many people blaming Trump specifically for the false alarm. Maybe there's other sections of the lefty internet where the belief is more widespread, and I just haven't seen them, but for instance, I haven't seen prominent Trump critics (e.g. Josh Marshall) or top Dem leaders (e.g. Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Obama) take the position (if they have and I missed it, feel free to link it). Since you brought it up, "the right wants Chelsea Manning executed" seems like a less unfair characterization. Not, of course, that every right-leaning individual in the country wants that. But if their current president, several federal elected officials, prominent right-leaning commentators, and a popular right-wing community site have all taken the position, it seems fair to say it's a popular, if not consensus right-wing position. How crazy is it for someone to blame Trump for this mistake anyway? The tweet chain you linked even notes that for other causes of a false alarm like this, it would be a POTUS-level issue. Someone might have blamed Trump before the information came out showing it was a local issue, or not have been informed of the details later. If they're a national leader they should really be informed before they express their opinions, but for some randos on Twitter that's a less reasonable expectation. Not to mention there's the "buck stops here" angle. Do we blame Obama for Fast and Furious because he was heavily involved in the planning and implementation of that operation? Or just because he was president at the time, and we hold presidents responsible for what happens under their watch? At the very least, this was a decent opportunity for Trump to show some leadership, investigate what happened, and assure the population we'll keep this machine more secure and well-oiled in the future (along the way, this might assuage our fears a bit about him controlling the nukes). Instead he did nothing. Is that not worthy of some criticism? One exhibit does not prove the case. You may have heard of court cases where multiple are offered to support a side on the trial? It is that analogy that I draw on. You can google more to find out more vagaries of the phrase meaning. Although "Exhibit A" implies you put this evidence first, suggesting you think it's particularly strong evidence. If I wanted to I could point out every time the government does something right as evidence they are competent, but if it's poor enough evidence others could reasonably criticize me of trying to get mileage on extremely weak evidence. Show nested quote +Secondly, don’t put words in my mouth. I’m perfectly capable of using Democrats, or leftists, or the radical left if that’s my meaning. I appreciate your attempts to lead me into areas you think I already believe something to be true. They’re unnecessary, but thanks anyways.
If you hadn’t seen the kind of hysteria that prompted Nichols to lay out the facts, save your sanity and be glad you missed it. It wasn’t a group of randos safely ignored, and the writer was wasting his own time creating a response because nobody actually thought the things he wrote to answer anyways (duhh loser). If you’re interested enough, go for it. Is this you complaining that I said "anti-Trump left" where you said "Trumpmania?" Who is Trumpmania? If I invent a new group identifier every time I criticize the right, I can No True Scotsman any time someone claims my criticisms aren't true, because anyone for whom they aren't true isn't a member of the group name I just invented. If your criticism just boils down to "a few people on Twitter were uninformed during a weird fake emergency" then, well shit, stop the presses! But without specifying who you're even criticizing and what they said, I don't know what you want anyone to do with that. Apparently some unnamed Hollywood people wanted to blame him? And I'm still unclear whether you're saying Tulsi Gabbard made this mistake? Show nested quote +Thirdly, fix your quote to match what was said that I reacted to. It matters. Is this just you fussing that Grumbels said "conservatives" instead of "the right"? If that's your issue you should say that instead of calling people hypocrites. Especially since many of the people you're excluding from "conservatives" to exonerate the other "conservatives" probably self-identify as conservative anyway (does Trump not think he's The Most Conservative Ever? I'd be surprised if he'd agree he's not a conservative.) Show nested quote +Finally, I responded more in depth in another post on the subject of responsibility and who said what. If you find it substantially insufficient, you can quote and respond there. I find no reason to draw this to Fast and Furious and Obama (the Obama administration), when this did not happen at the federal level (and people falsely claimed it was PACOM at the time). It’s Hawaii, not a department of the federal government. States exercise authority for their own employees and agencies, so if they want to thumb their nose at something like election fraud investigations, they are well within their rights. And feel free to investigate yourself to see your proposed excuses for what might have happened/the errors that might have been made fit it with what actually happened. I saw the timeline and came to the opposite conclusion and was glad to see members of the center call out their allies on the left and put a stop to the tomfoolery. Gabbard tried a quick switch for political points. Hollywood libs reacted with trademark panicked lurchings. It was fun to watch and read. State-level ballistic missile warnings obviously interface with the federal government, so the feds would be well within their rights to inquire about Hawaii's system. This isn't like Hawaii's local firefighters fucked up so the feds want to step in. It's more like if the state officials were announcing "the feds are telling us Japan is invading us RIGHT NOW" and the feds did nothing to either correct the record at the time or to ensure Hawaii didn't get this wrong in the future. The president could easily say "I'm working with Hawaii state officials to figure out what went wrong and how we can prevent a mistake like this in the future" and nobody in their right mind would say "no no missile defense is a state's rights issue, gtfo Trump." Of course if he tried to fix this he'd probably fuck it up so I'm glad he didn't try, but that hardly exonerates him. That general incompetence prevents him from exercising effective leadership doesn't make him a less bad leader.
Yes, I’d consider that evidence in the running for leading with the very compelling stuff. “It’s a drill” very close to “its not a drill.” Stuff of legends. Next question: does the nuclear football have this functionality?
If you have trouble understanding my terms, you can just ask. Don’t assume it’s complaining about something particular you said, unless I’m quoting a post where you said it.
Now, take a moment to think about terms you claim not to understand (feign not to?) and points you say I’m leading up to that I’m not. Grumbles said “conservatives” when he talked about calls to kill him, and he’s just quoting everybody with a pulse, a job, or a twitter account that might vote Republican. It turns out he has a single social conservative on the record. In a happy timeline, he corrects to show “at least one elected Republican” or “Trump said” or “Huckabee said.” Because, as you’re exercising your abundant powers to avoid, the logic will easily be flipped around to quoting single voices on the left and generalizing them to liberals. Which people here have pretended to be mad about in the past. If you somehow think I’m including you in Trumpmania after the false missile threat, I’m not. Sorry.
I thought we were beyond this, but just because Trump says something it doesn’t make it true. He can say it’s the biggest tax cut ever. He can say he gets the biggest crowds or cuts the best deals with Democrats. It doesn’t make it true. Maybe you can recognize this before moving on, because we’ll really get nowhere fast if you trust Trump on the matter.
It was reported that the relevant federal agencies contacted Hawaiian officials immediately after to inquire. His role isn’t correct Hawaiian affairs for its citizens. He just makes sure federal resources get it right and advise state officials of errors when they’re major. As was done. If Hawaii wants to fire off twenty more this year, maybe he’s cleared to tweet something about the state getting its act together. On your advice, you’re dead wrong. My quote on the feds sending accurate information to state authorities exactly covers the responsibility. If Dems in Hawaii want to spread the message that Trump’s North Korean diplomacy endangers them and tells its citizens to build shelters on their property, I have the same response. Keep your grubby hands off. Bush, Obama, or Trump. I have not seen Hawaii ask for federal authorities to alert their state directly, so we can deal with surrendered state authority if that happens. Stupid deflection to missile defense responsibility from state emergency alert responsibility, by the way. Show me when you’re more serious.
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On January 17 2018 04:08 Tachion wrote:
If Bannon really does have dirt on other people in the White House that is important to Mueller, you gotta think of how ridiculous it was for Trump to denounce him like he did.
Yes, throwing your top adviser under the boss can lead to embarrassments.
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On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point.
I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary.
I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.”
Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem?
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On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem?
The anthem is racist, written by a racist.
You really want to get back on your "extremely dangerous slippery slope" nonsense again? With some graffiti that looks like it was done by children? After citing some racist trash as your source of awareness?
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On January 17 2018 03:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 03:30 Logo wrote:On January 17 2018 03:19 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 02:50 Introvert wrote:
There were def people in this thread who said Trump should have tweeted about Hawaii or something. Or maybe it was just the low hanging fruit of Stealthblue. StealthBlue’s first article comment was rich. But way too much of low hanging fruit. I was looking at Tulsi Gabbard’s quick-pivot, Hollywood Celebrities, and mainstream verified journalists assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault, or not correcting Hawaii’s state agency before half an hour had passed. Tom Nichols got fed up with the rank ignorance and posted that twitter thread to hopefully clarify. He still got responses blaming Trump lol. And when I talk about Trump mania tweets, people act like I’m personally accusing forum members of blaming Trump. Oh well. What did Tulsi say about it? I saw her blame Trump (and importantly past administrations) for handling North Korea poorly and she used the hysteria over the alarm as an example of the harm being done by having this tense situation. But that's very different from blaming Trump for the false alarm. Did she make some early remarks that were deleted or something? That would be the pivot. It’s standard political posturing (forget system design errors, it’s really Trump’s fault for panicked reactions because of his NK policy!) I’m not saying she was like the others ... she pivoted instead of promoting false information.
But you put her in a list with "the others" that ended with "assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault or not correcting Hawaii's state agency...". Also I don't see how blaming "leaders for decades" is a specific dig at Trump, but it's pretty common for people to be overly sensitive about that sort of thing.
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There is no getting around the fact that Francis Scott Key was pro-slavery, but anti-cruelty to slaves. He is an interesting historical character, but never felt that blacks were equal to whites.
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On January 17 2018 04:36 Plansix wrote:How is a tweet about this vandalism worthy of discussion in this thread?
100 pages in this thread about Charlottesville/Trump’s response to statue controversy and other defacements & the shrouding. Multiple opinions saying what was and wasn’t racist about confederates and founding fathers and Francis Scott Keyes. Do you agree with the sentiment expressed on the statue with children?
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On January 17 2018 05:10 Plansix wrote:
There is no getting around the fact that Francis Scott Key was pro-slavery, but anti-cruelty to slaves. He is an interesting historical character, but never felt that blacks were equal to whites.
Literally racist. But on the "nice" side of the spectrum.
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On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem?
no, vandalism is not equivalent to shrouding a statue. seems odd that this needs to be said.
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On January 17 2018 05:07 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 03:49 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 03:30 Logo wrote:On January 17 2018 03:19 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 02:50 Introvert wrote:
There were def people in this thread who said Trump should have tweeted about Hawaii or something. Or maybe it was just the low hanging fruit of Stealthblue. StealthBlue’s first article comment was rich. But way too much of low hanging fruit. I was looking at Tulsi Gabbard’s quick-pivot, Hollywood Celebrities, and mainstream verified journalists assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault, or not correcting Hawaii’s state agency before half an hour had passed. Tom Nichols got fed up with the rank ignorance and posted that twitter thread to hopefully clarify. He still got responses blaming Trump lol. And when I talk about Trump mania tweets, people act like I’m personally accusing forum members of blaming Trump. Oh well. What did Tulsi say about it? I saw her blame Trump (and importantly past administrations) for handling North Korea poorly and she used the hysteria over the alarm as an example of the harm being done by having this tense situation. But that's very different from blaming Trump for the false alarm. Did she make some early remarks that were deleted or something? That would be the pivot. It’s standard political posturing (forget system design errors, it’s really Trump’s fault for panicked reactions because of his NK policy!) I’m not saying she was like the others ... she pivoted instead of promoting false information. But you put her in a list with "the others" that ended with "assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault or not correcting Hawaii's state agency...". Also I don't see how blaming "leaders for decades" is a specific dig at Trump, but it's pretty common for people to be overly sensitive about that sort of thing.
Just Gabbard was responsible for the pivot. It was the latter two that were about responses (I gave no modifier besides your quoted one for them). She also specifically mentioned Trump and Trump’s blame in all this—not limiting her remarks to shared responsibility over multiple presidents. Remember, she has a base to appease.
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On January 17 2018 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem? The anthem is racist, written by a racist. You really want to get back on your "extremely dangerous slippery slope" nonsense again? With some graffiti that looks like it was done by children? After citing some racist trash as your source of awareness?
I see your take: The anthem is racist written by a racist. Now I wonder if anybody else agrees with you. I never know if I’m going to be blamed for posting something nobody agrees with, or its so obvious that everybody agrees with it. The left’s extremes vs mainstream is hard to nail down, even particularly in this forum.
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On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem?
Some people put graffiti on a statue. Fine them and have them pay for cleaning it. Does anyone here differ in the opinion that that is what should be done?
Sometimes people do stupid stuff, but on the list of stupid stuff, this is a pretty small offense. In a nation of 300 million people, you are going to find someone that did something stupid every day. No one was hurt, and i doubt that any irreversable damage was done. Doesn't really sound like a thing of national importance.
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On January 17 2018 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 05:10 Plansix wrote:
There is no getting around the fact that Francis Scott Key was pro-slavery, but anti-cruelty to slaves. He is an interesting historical character, but never felt that blacks were equal to whites. Literally racist. But on the "nice" side of the spectrum.
That part where he used his position to repress people trying to end slavery sort of seals that deal. If he hadn’t done that, one could argue that he was good actor in born into a racist system. But his efforts to preserve slavery as a whole removes that argument.
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On January 17 2018 05:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem? The anthem is racist, written by a racist. You really want to get back on your "extremely dangerous slippery slope" nonsense again? With some graffiti that looks like it was done by children? After citing some racist trash as your source of awareness? I see your take: The anthem is racist written by a racist. Now I wonder if anybody else agrees with you. I never know if I’m going to be blamed for posting something nobody agrees with, or its so obvious that everybody agrees with it. The left’s extremes vs mainstream is hard to nail down, even particularly in this forum.
Do you think there's room for opinion on whether thinking black people are inferior to white people is racist, if not, then the guy was racist.
What you posted was some racist making a fallacious point about people of Baltimore to talk about some statue and graffiti, what is there to agree with?
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On January 17 2018 05:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 05:07 Logo wrote:On January 17 2018 03:49 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 03:30 Logo wrote:On January 17 2018 03:19 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 02:50 Introvert wrote:
There were def people in this thread who said Trump should have tweeted about Hawaii or something. Or maybe it was just the low hanging fruit of Stealthblue. StealthBlue’s first article comment was rich. But way too much of low hanging fruit. I was looking at Tulsi Gabbard’s quick-pivot, Hollywood Celebrities, and mainstream verified journalists assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault, or not correcting Hawaii’s state agency before half an hour had passed. Tom Nichols got fed up with the rank ignorance and posted that twitter thread to hopefully clarify. He still got responses blaming Trump lol. And when I talk about Trump mania tweets, people act like I’m personally accusing forum members of blaming Trump. Oh well. What did Tulsi say about it? I saw her blame Trump (and importantly past administrations) for handling North Korea poorly and she used the hysteria over the alarm as an example of the harm being done by having this tense situation. But that's very different from blaming Trump for the false alarm. Did she make some early remarks that were deleted or something? That would be the pivot. It’s standard political posturing (forget system design errors, it’s really Trump’s fault for panicked reactions because of his NK policy!) I’m not saying she was like the others ... she pivoted instead of promoting false information. But you put her in a list with "the others" that ended with "assuming Trump was to blame either in original fault or not correcting Hawaii's state agency...". Also I don't see how blaming "leaders for decades" is a specific dig at Trump, but it's pretty common for people to be overly sensitive about that sort of thing. Just Gabbard was responsible for the pivot. It was the latter two that were about responses (I gave no modifier besides your quoted one for them). She also specifically mentioned Trump and Trump’s blame in all this—not limiting her remarks to shared responsibility over multiple presidents. Remember, she has a base to appease.
But I don't understand how this is a notable dig at Trump.
Do you think Trump should do something about North Korea, or is the situation fine as is and on its current trajectory? How did she say something objectionable about Trump other than saying he needs to solve the problem, which seems like an obviously true statement.
It only feels like a notable dig if the world view is that everything Trump does is right and he shouldn't be questioned.
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@Danglars
1. I know this is very petty, but can you stop misspelling my name?
2. I'm not invested in the terminology of conservative or right-wingers or whatever. If you absolutely insist that hordes of people who vote for the GOP calling for Manning's death are all irrelevant because these people are not TrueConservatives, then I'm perfectly willing to concede the point and simply change it to many prominent rightwingers vocally supporting her torture, lamenting that she wasn't executed, misgendering her and calling her a mentally ill freak.
And everyone knows this, everyone knows the GOP and their base are extremists with hateful, reactionary views. I don't even get why you are trying to push back against this incredibly obvious observation that Manning is completely despised by conservatives, right-wingers or whatever they call themselves these days.
Also, we all use different terminology on the internet, the same people are arbitrarily called conservatives, right-wingers, reactionaries, libertarians, evangelicals and while you can sometimes distinguish between them I find it disingenuous to pretend like there is some hard line that divides all these groups. These are not mutually exclusive categories of people, the language used is very fluid. And in the interest of communication I find it very tiresome if every statement I make is parsed for some technical inaccuracy because I called a libertarian a conservative.
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On January 17 2018 05:20 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2018 05:00 Danglars wrote:On January 17 2018 04:42 GreenHorizons wrote:lol, because obviously there are no protests for those things too? You'd think with things like freezing schools the guy would care more about that than some dumbass statue, but we know why the statue got him angry but the schools only got mentioned in context of the statue. That guy is a total tool and does the whole "if Black people really cared" schtick like he's not a racist jackass but sincerely concerned for black people. But again, didn't give a shit about freezing schools in Baltimore until he could use it to make a completely fallacious point. I can find a tweet with less editorializing if necessary. I remember all the uproar with “it’s just a shroud” and “forget about when we said confederates vs founding fathers was a clear difference and one wouldn’t slip into the other.” Well, is the spray paint just another kind of shrouding the statue? Does this have nothing to do with the anthem? Some people put graffiti on a statue. Fine them and have them pay for cleaning it. Does anyone here differ in the opinion that that is what should be done? Sometimes people do stupid stuff, but on the list of stupid stuff, this is a pretty small offense. In a nation of 300 million people, you are going to find someone that did something stupid every day. No one was hurt, and i doubt that any irreversable damage was done. Doesn't really sound like a thing of national importance.
Maybe you missed Charlottesville. Is the anthem racist? Is the author racist? Does either make you want to call for that statue to be removed.
GH: Is it “home of the brave” that’s the racist part, or maybe “land of the free?” Rocket’s red glare also might be dog whistling.
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