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On January 06 2018 01:33 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2018 23:54 pmh wrote:
Americans work harder and longer then most other nations. labour culture in usa is very different from Europe,maybe more similar to asia. It is one of the reasons why the usa economy is so competitive. If americans are used to this and are happy with it on average,then why change it? Looking at OECD's list of countries by average annual hours actually worked per worker, this doesn't seem to be even mildly proportional with how strong a country's economy is. https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
Considering ~1 out of 6 Americans is on psychiatric medication I would suggest that we're not that happy about it. Particularly if you add it to other self-medicating you end up with a country that is pretty goddamn miserable and is dependent on keeping it's citizens sufficiently drugged or they would literally lose their minds.
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On January 06 2018 00:12 warding wrote:
While personally I would find the idea of having 10 or less paid holidays per year abhorrent, I understand the free will argument - if americans like it that way, why should the state mandate something different? Unless there's some screwed up behavioral psychology/prisoners dilemma thing going on, I don't see what the valid argument against US's policy is. In theory employees should be able to negotiate lower wages in exchange for more holidays.
like people already mentioned, labour protection laws in the US are a fair bit "weaker" than in the EU, or at least Germany.
It's a lot easier to fire people for arbitrary reasons in the US than it would be in Germany. There's some argument to be had about how if it's hard to fire people, employers won't hire people in the first place (or be conservative when hiring people) because they're too afraid that they will be stuck with people they can't fire when times turn a little darker, but I don't think this is the thread for that discussion. Just to mention that there are both some up- and downsides to this.
But with that being said taking vacation isn't as obvious as a thing as in Europe. You really can push your rights to get what the laws assure you are allowed to get. Doing that in the US can be problematic even if you are assured those days by your company.
And like someone else already mentioned, it can indeed be some kind of prisoner dilemma as seen in Japan etc. You have people working way too much and noone goes home because it's perceived to be normal to have X amount of unpaid hours each weak and being the first the leave the building, even if it's when you're supposed to leave, while everyone else is still sitting there working is really not a thing a lot of people want to do for multiple reasons.
They have a lot of campaigns trying to fight that as people overworking so much really doesn't help. You're cutting into the amount of jobs that are available, you're (in almost all cases) not efficient at all if you're having 80hour weeks and just that overworked that you can't even have some relaxing time on the days off and show up on Mondays already/still worn out. Especially if you're working on 6days a week and not Monday-Friday.
As for what they're doing to change that, like mentioned there are all kinds of different kinds of campaigns ongoing. Like a certain company turning the lights off when people are supposed to go home to more or less tell them to get home but even that's not really working.
About the idea that people in the US work harder... I can't confirm that. I bet it's different all across Europe but I'd point to people in the US as people who are more on the lax side of the spectrum if anything.
Maybe that's just me being German but we wouldn't have people browsing Twitter, facebook (as much?) etc while on the clock here. There's just a completly different attitude towards those kind of things. [note: keep in mind that that's obviously just my own experience. I can't speak for more than the stuff I've seen myself which is a fairly small samplesize  ] But it's true that perhaps less people would be willing to do unpaid overtime in Germany.
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On January 06 2018 01:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 01:33 Dan HH wrote:On January 05 2018 23:54 pmh wrote:
Americans work harder and longer then most other nations. labour culture in usa is very different from Europe,maybe more similar to asia. It is one of the reasons why the usa economy is so competitive. If americans are used to this and are happy with it on average,then why change it? Looking at OECD's list of countries by average annual hours actually worked per worker, this doesn't seem to be even mildly proportional with how strong a country's economy is. https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS Considering ~1 out of 6 Americans is on psychiatric medication I would suggest that we're not that happy about it. Particularly if you add it to other self-medicating you end up with a country that is pretty goddamn miserable and is dependent on keeping it's citizens sufficiently drugged or they would literally lose their minds.
Yeah, this whole argument of effectiveness has been disproven a long time ago. Smashing your head against the wall to keep working isn't valid. You get less work done working 10 days straight than you do taking 2 of those days off. Big tech companies don't give you a bunch of PTO, and make you use it, just because they want favorable reddit threads. They want that sweet technical juju flowing out of your brain as much as possible.
And out of all the big jobs: law, engineering, medicine, finance, research, you see these primo PTO packages all the time. All my friends who work 60 hours a week also take 2 week vacations. All the big players who need the most from their employees make sure their employees take time off because you get more out of people.
The reason some companies are against mandatory PTO is the fact that some labor doesn't benefit from a healthy worker. Plenty of jobs basically use humans as animal slaves because even if the person doing the job fell apart and killed themselves, the company could easily replace them and it is as simple as replacing a lightbulb. They have no incentive to treat THOSE people like humans, which is utterly fucked up.
And, much like most issues like this, there are externalities created by not allowing people proper emotional health. These things don't hurt the business, but they end up being indirect costs to the state and tax payers in the form of depression and many other things. It's just a way for companies to make society cover the costs of unhealthy work.
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On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second  Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. Show nested quote +we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr
That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013.
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On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013.
Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did...
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I think the most important thing is that Trump is continuing to struggle emotionally/psychologically more and more. At one point, he will hit a limit. He's not getting better. Things like Wolff's book help us inch closer and closer to his meltdown.
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On January 06 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013. Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did...
yeah but that follows from what youve said in earlier posts: managers are both replaceable and dont actually do much of anything
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On January 06 2018 04:53 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013. Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did... yeah but that follows from what youve said in earlier posts: managers are both replaceable and dont actually do much of anything
When I worked retail a while ago, what happened when you were a "manager" was that you got paid $1 more, doing everything I did, but also doing scheduling, a bit more authority for refunds etc which gave away money, and authorizing large transactions. They also handle stuff like nasty customers etc which give junior employees a hard time.
It's pretty much just an acknowledgement that they're a little more trained to handle situations. They're completely replaceable with a regular employee who's been on the job for a few months in most cases but they are valuable because they do just as much as a regular employee with a few more responsibilities
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On January 06 2018 04:53 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013. Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did... yeah but that follows from what youve said in earlier posts: managers are both replaceable and dont actually do much of anything
I'm not saying they are special. I am saying the idea that such a high % of people are making "near minimum wage" is very likely accurate because of the fact that very large stores are almost entirely comprised of very, very low wage workers.
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On January 06 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013. Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did...
Like.. a supervisor that inexplicably had manager in their title? I did retail management a decade ago was like $20/hr.
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On January 06 2018 06:20 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 06 2018 03:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On January 06 2018 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2018 01:05 Adreme wrote:On January 06 2018 00:30 Danglars wrote:On January 06 2018 00:13 Diavlo wrote:On January 05 2018 23:56 Danglars wrote:On January 05 2018 23:47 iamthedave wrote:
I'm on a minimum wage job in the UK and get 26 paid days a year.
The US is backwards as hell on this subject. Work-life balance is a thing and it does matter. And you want the state to tell you what work-life balance looks like? Or you just want a work culture revolution in the US? We kind of mock that idea around these parts + Show Spoiler + This commercial is so incredibly tone death... Yeah I'm sure most people working minimum wages are doing for the sense of accomplishement and pride... If the number of vacation days is set and mandatory, the culture of "vacation shaming" which is very prevalent in the US would be greatly diminished. Americans are still worried about job security when it comes to taking time off. More than a quarter (26%) say they fear that taking vacation could make them appear less dedicated at work, just under a quarter (23%) say they do not want to be seen as replaceable, and more than a fifth (21%) say they worry they would lose consideration for a raise or promotion.
These fears may be unfounded, but leaders fail to correct the misconception. Two-thirds (66%) of employees feel that their company culture is ambivalent, discouraging, or sends mixed messages about time off, virtually unchanged since 2014. This culture of silence has created a vacuum where negative perceptions thrive. From: https://www.projecttimeoff.com/state-american-vacation-2017 Or ... you need to expand your mind beyond minimum wage jobs to address issues if you're not just set on generalizing the ~3% of minimum wage workers to criticize the 90%? That's demagoguery, not discussion. Lemme get some Breitbart sources to match your projecttimeoff.com sources, one second Its not just minimum wage workers who benefit from a boost to it. First off, a boost to it logically raises that participation number (I would also wonder if that 3% is the number making the federal minimum wage because the state minimum wage in so many states is higher already) but most of the time people making slightly above minimum wage have there wages tied to a minimum wage so for instance if I am making $2 over minimum wage I get a pay increase whenever that minimum wage goes up in order so that I continue making $2 over it. Exactly. we estimate that last year (2013) about 20.6 million people — 30% of all hourly, non-self-employed workers 18 and older — are in that “near-minimum-wage” category. Source"near minimum" was over the federal minimum but under $10.10/hr That percent seems high. Bls has the bottom decide top out at 413/week for workers 16+. Possible figures just slid up since 2013. Think about department stores. Even the managers usually only make like 10% more than people who just started. Or at least that's what it was like when I worked in retail in high school. It was extremely sad. My manager was some dude trying to support a family and he made like $1/hr more than I did... Like.. a supervisor that inexplicably had manager in their title? I did retail management a decade ago was like $20/hr.
I imagine the titles vary a lot. I've seen places where the guys walking around are considered "support engineers" lol. I'm saying the dude I had to coordinate with for taking days off was paid a smidge more than me. I am sure there is someone in Target making more than $10/hour, but I don't know who that is. More specifically, my point is that a lot of these big stores have this nailed down pretty well. For a given department store, what % of people do you think are above $10/hour?
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Party over Country, victory at any price.
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They are running an investigation.
Is Mueller God or something? Is he the only divine being able to discover things and follow up on them? We don't need constant reminders that elements of Trump's opposition are just as delusional as /r/The_Donald in dismissing investigations as partisan witch hunts.
Wait, maybe we do need that reminder.
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On January 06 2018 07:21 Danglars wrote:They are running an investigation. Is Mueller God or something? Is he the only divine being able to discover things and follow up on them? We don't need constant reminders that elements of Trump's opposition are just as delusional as /r/The_Donald in dismissing investigations as partisan witch hunts. Wait, maybe we do need that reminder.
So you're fine with the cons using shitty criminal "investigations" as a tool against their opponents? I mean I guess it's not surprising given your stance on Hillary and Ben Ghazi, but still.
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How would this potentially affect Steele coming to the US to testify as a witness or speak to Mueller directly?
If at all then this is just plain obstruction clear as day.
Which would dispel those notions of this being anything but a partisan witch-hunt rather fast.
And if there was any semblance of balance in the system, if the Republicans gave a single **** about investigating troubling issues (as opposed to just power), Sessions would be in the damn frying pan right now.
But it is much more important to haul in a foreign intelligence agent than it is to be concerned about your own Attorney General's troubling memory issues when you have a coup d'etat to pull off.
Drawing equivalences between these things of totally different scale (by justifying this out of nowhere investigation on someone of minimal impact for provision of information the FBI can independently verify anyway when it potentially obstructs a serious investigation into the current POTUS) is a seriously low tactic to bring to the table.
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On January 06 2018 07:32 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2018 07:21 Danglars wrote:They are running an investigation. Is Mueller God or something? Is he the only divine being able to discover things and follow up on them? We don't need constant reminders that elements of Trump's opposition are just as delusional as /r/The_Donald in dismissing investigations as partisan witch hunts. Wait, maybe we do need that reminder. So you're fine with the cons using shitty criminal "investigations" as a tool against their opponents? I mean I guess it's not surprising given your stance on Hillary and Ben Ghazi, but still.
Let's see. Is this the part when you say "as a tool against their opponents" and automatically it can't possibly be "the Clinton Foundation had its own shady shit worth investigating?" Her foundation might not be as lily-white as you think.
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