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Mohdoo
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 05 2018 14:14 Aquanim wrote: I'm fairly confident that "extract" isn't even in the book. You've seen what is in the book. Hardly more believable lol. | ||
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Introvert
United States5082 Posts
On January 05 2018 14:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That's not nerdy it's just sad. | ||
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LegalLord
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On January 05 2018 16:05 Danglars wrote: You've seen what is in the book. Hardly more believable lol. What real excerpts of the book compare to the gorilla channel in terms of how believable they are? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
On January 05 2018 18:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: What real excerpts of the book compare to the gorilla channel in terms of how believable they are? E: nvm. Gorilla Channel was a fake extract. I still have very low expectations given the author's credentials, but I'll wait for actual excerpts to form an opinion  E again: honestly, Wolff should be called Yates and turn out to be sleeping with Melania It's going to take some time, but presumably the White House has visitor logs, and Wolff has documentative proof of sone of those "200 interviews, including conversations with the president". So if it's absolute fiction, it'll become clear quite fast. The excerpts I've read don't seem far-fetched or revealing of anything new about Trump. He's a halfwit narcissist with the attention span of a toddler. We knew that already. They seem to say a lot more about the sycophants and opportunists who surround him. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
The book is only as accurate as the opinions it quotes. The book doesn't seem to be asserting actual events or evidence of wrongdoings. It's mostly about the two-faced nature of people who surround our naked Emperor. It's a reverse "Emperor Has no Clothes", with a bunch of the Emperor's subjects saying, "yeah, I know he's naked". Trump immediately put the stamp-of-authority on the story by lashing out as if people were actually calling him naked. Because he's an idiot with a billion rubles, and we all know it. The book itself almost doesn't need to be accurate. It can be "realistic fiction" (although the guy supposedly has recordings so I'm 100% sure he's not being sued over this by anyone). What's accurate enough is the book's existence has immediately revealed real rifts and real opinions that were previously being withheld. And judging by the NYT story just released, the leaks and backstabbing are far from over. Thankfully. As Paul Ryan said, "This is how we know we're a real family here.” Just like the mob-movies! | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 05 2018 17:39 LegalLord wrote: So, I’m looking around at the reviews. Is this book just more “omg Trump is sooo bad” that will add fuel to the fire but effectively change nothing, or is there some meaningful reveal? From what I can see it sounds like exactly what you could expect from a president that uses Twitter like he does... My assumption at first was an Ann Coulter-esque bit of political hackery, but if he's got 100s of hours of recorded interviews to back up some/all of what he's said, then that's different. The interesting thing about this situation is that this book is a career-destroyer for a lot of people. At least potentially. Meaning that everyone involved is heavily incentivised to speak up and call him out over falsehoods. Trump IS vengeful, he WILL punish people for saying nasty things about him. And that says nothing about the virulence of his supporters. In other words, while I'm sure quite a lot of stuff in the book is 'sexed up' or made even worse than it was, if it's fully fabricated this guy will drown in lawsuits from people trying to save their political careers. Still... meaningful? Not really. There's been so many leaks of people saying nasty things about Trump that I think everyone knows he's not popular. We know the White House is a chaotic mess from the same sources. And, you know, from the cluster that was Trump's 2017. Might be insightful in some ways though. I'd say give it a few months until we have a better idea how true to life it is and then pick it up if it seems credible in the majority. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On January 05 2018 10:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Speaking of half brain Democratic party, here's another thing they should put on their platform. + Show Spoiler + The neoliberal virus is hard to cure sadly. The maternity / paternity leave is probably a better cause. For vaca/sick time, most workers have that already so I doubt you'd be able to get enough voters to care. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/ebs.t05.htm Avg (full time emp) is 7.6 dayspaid holiday + 8-15 paid vacation days depending on how long you've been working there. On the skimpy side, but not really out of the norm. If you really value PTO, you can work your career into industries / companies that offer more than the average. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
He needs to release some of the tapes. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 05 2018 22:54 iamthedave wrote: Would he legally be able to do that? I don't know your laws on the subject but wouldn't he be risking breaking some laws? With all the things he seems to have sat in on and got tapes on, wouldn't there be risk of releasing important/legally protected information? i'm sure there's some tapes that could be released; it also depends in part on what terms the tapes were made under. but there isn't a "risk" because there's piles of lawyers and procedures to figure out what can and can't be released. if something were truly important he wouldn't have been allowed to have tapes of it in the first place. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 05 2018 19:52 iamthedave wrote: My assumption at first was an Ann Coulter-esque bit of political hackery, but if he's got 100s of hours of recorded interviews to back up some/all of what he's said, then that's different. The interesting thing about this situation is that this book is a career-destroyer for a lot of people. At least potentially. Meaning that everyone involved is heavily incentivised to speak up and call him out over falsehoods. Trump IS vengeful, he WILL punish people for saying nasty things about him. And that says nothing about the virulence of his supporters. In other words, while I'm sure quite a lot of stuff in the book is 'sexed up' or made even worse than it was, if it's fully fabricated this guy will drown in lawsuits from people trying to save their political careers. Still... meaningful? Not really. There's been so many leaks of people saying nasty things about Trump that I think everyone knows he's not popular. We know the White House is a chaotic mess from the same sources. And, you know, from the cluster that was Trump's 2017. Might be insightful in some ways though. I'd say give it a few months until we have a better idea how true to life it is and then pick it up if it seems credible in the majority. I think it's more about putting names on people in Trump's orbit trashing Trump than anything else. To date they've done it while hiding behind "White House sources" and there was this veneer of the media saying "oh, well, anonymous sources, we can't trust those nope." The only way tapes are coming out is if he gets sued, though, which seems unlikely. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 05 2018 18:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: What real excerpts of the book compare to the gorilla channel in terms of how believable they are? He golfed with Boehner 4+ times on the campaign trail and didn't remember who Boehner was when he was recommended as a chief of staff pick. He tweeted about him during the 2016 campaign, as recently as when he resigned. Really, your best bet is to google the stories. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:14 RvB wrote: What's the difference between holidays and vacation? A holiday is a predetermined day off. For example, most workplaces give a holiday for Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc; everyone will get a holiday off. A vacation is the employee taking off on a day they normally have to work. Everyone has vacation days, but they won't all use them on the same day. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
In Switzerland the law guarantees you 20 days and many companies end up giving 25, people over 50 also get 5 days more. There are several national Holidays where nearly everything is forced to close (like on Sundays). The only shops that are open on these are gasstations, restaurants and shops at big train stations. The 24/7 "life" hasn't really arrived in large parts of europe yet and i hope it stais that way. Btw: I got 40 days of paid vacation this year. Beat me :D. | ||
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