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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
January 04 2018 22:37 GMT
#192681
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She introduced the recording as a "special guest" (this is of the President, who is currently, physically, in the White House, where he's allowed and some might say expected to live).
She then thanked the TV as "Mr. President" when the recording was done.

And it's one of those moments where I feel like America just kind of died.
Big water
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
January 04 2018 22:41 GMT
#192682
Also, thank you Jeff Sessions for ensuring Colorado becomes a completely Democrat state, if Trump didn't do the job already. State-rights, y'all.
Big water
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
January 04 2018 22:43 GMT
#192683
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and/or the RNC makes Sessions reissue the rules because that's a shit ton of fuel on what already looks like an '18 electoral fire.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
January 04 2018 22:48 GMT
#192684
On January 05 2018 07:43 farvacola wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and/or the RNC makes Sessions reissue the rules because that's a shit ton of fuel on what already looks like an '18 electoral fire.


I would really like to see the RNC run on legal pot, I wonder what it would do
Something witty
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 04 2018 22:50 GMT
#192685
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-04 22:55:22
January 04 2018 22:51 GMT
#192686
On January 05 2018 03:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Hmm...


Probably related to Meltdown/Spectre, and the fact that no one's data, anywhere, has actually ever been safe.

I've been listening to techies freaking out all day.
Big water
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
January 04 2018 23:03 GMT
#192687
I mean, Sessions doesn't have much time left. If he wants this done he needs to do it ASAP. Trump already hated him, and the hatred is increasing by the second and the utility of firing him just goes up up up.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
January 04 2018 23:28 GMT
#192688
(CNN)A growing slate of Democratic operatives and young progressive organizers who made their bones on Sen. Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidential primary campaign are lining up in 2018 behind another political insurgent, Michigan gubernatorial candidate Dr. Abdul El-Sayed.

Michigan was the site of what many in Berniecrat circles still consider their most emboldening 2016 victory. After trailing by double digits in most polls in the days and weeks leading up to the vote, Sanders narrowly defeated Hillary Clinton -- a result that seemed to surprise him as much as anyone else -- and reignited his flagging campaign.

The candidate profiles have changed, but a similar upset for El-Sayed -- front-runner Gretchen Whitmer, a former state Senate minority leader, won a quick round of labor endorsements (though the United Auto Workers have remained notably uncommitted) and led heavily in early polling -- would confirm to the Democratic left that its populist playbook for the upper Midwest, and possibly beyond, is a sustainable one.

Now, key members of the group that helped deliver Michigan to Sanders are returning, or hunkering down, to boost El-Sayed, the 33-year-old former Detroit Health Department leader described by activist and supporter Linda Sarsour as "our younger version of Bernie."

Claire Sandberg, Sanders' digital organizing director in 2016, joined El-Sayed this week as his deputy campaign manager. She had spent parts of the last six months in Europe, introducing campaign volunteer tactics similar to those used to great effect during the Vermont independent's campaign, to left-wing groups like those backing the UK's Labour Party ahead of the British elections last June.

"It's great to be back in Michigan," she said Wednesday night. "I spent a lot of time here on the Bernie campaign and met a lot of amazing volunteers who were active on that campaign, who are now active in the Abdul campaign."

El-Sayed has also retained Middle Seat Digital, a firm founded by Sanders alums Kenneth Pennington, the campaign's digital director in 2016, and Hector Sigala, who ran its booming social media apparatus. The campaign believes El-Sayed, who gained national notice for his work in Detroit, where he pioneered a program to offer free eye exams and, if necessary, glasses, to public school students, is uniquely positioned for viral stardom. (An opinion confirmed in part when former Obama speechwriter and liberal podcast host Jon Favreau retweeted an El-Sayed web video in October, adding: "Reminds me of someone I used to work for.")

Sandberg estimates that 50% of potential voters who come out to see El-Sayed, who barnstormed the state after entering the race early last year, sign up to volunteer on his behalf. The campaign said it has held 150 town halls and meet-and-greets, visiting 95 cities in 46 counties during nearly a year on the stump. He'll have another seven months to make his case, with the primary scheduled for August 7.
"He's getting good responses in even very conservative parts of the state. But where the rubber hits the roads is whether he can get past his base, which right now is young, I would say predominantly college students, people of color -- definitely focused in the Detroit area," said Susan Demas, editor and publisher of Inside Michigan Politics. "But he's hoping to have that Bernie Sanders appeal, a populist economic appeal to people who are really sick of the system."

For now, though, El-Sayed remains an unquestioned underdog. The favorite to win the nomination, Whitmer, was regarded during her time in office as one of the state's most liberal lawmakers, as Democrats introduced a tuition-free college proposal and she led protests against an ultimately successful Republican plan to pass an anti-union, "right-to-work" law. (Whitmer has also outraised El-Sayed, with $2.3 million to his $1.6 million for the cycle. The campaigns haven't yet reported their most recent quarterly hauls.)

El-Sayed is working to outflank Whitmer on the left with a plan to bring single-payer health care to the state. His supporters also point to Whitmer's initial hesitance -- she's since committed -- to back a $15 minimum wage as an opening for the campaign to connect with Michigan progressives.
Sandberg sees room to run -- and an analog to what Sanders faced, and conquered, in Michigan two years ago.

"I think there's a similar pattern here, where our biggest challenge is still that so many voters haven't heard of Abdul," she said. "But when they hear him speak and learn about his platform, they become supporters and often volunteers."

A national surrogate and convention delegate for Sanders in 2016, before co-founding the Women's March after President Donald Trump's election, Sarsour has been active on the trail for El-Sayed, who was one of the few men to address the Women's Convention in Detroit last year. Whitmer, who has the backing of former Sanders Democratic Party platform committee members Abby Dart and Lena Thompson, also spoke to the gathering.

Still, Sarsour is betting on El-Sayed, who would become the state's first Muslim governor, to channel the political and organizational success that drew Michigan to Sanders.

"Abdul has a very similar platform to Bernie, so that's one reason," she said. "Also, the state of Michigan has attracted (staff and volunteers). Bernie Sanders won the greatest political upset in US history in Michigan. No one thought ... Nate Silver, everybody, said this was unprecedented. So that also attracted us to the viability that a Bernie-type candidate can win the state of Michigan."

Campaign manager Max Glass, who joined last May, has no direct ties to Sanders but worked as campaign manager for Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii, a vocal Sanders surrogate, in 2012, and helped deliver rising Democratic star Rep. Seth Moulton to Washington in 2014. During the 2016 cycle, he directed Rep. Lisa Blunt Rochester's historic bid to become the first woman and first African-American elected to Congress from Delaware.

Winnie Wong, co-founder of The People for Bernie Sanders -- which has endorsed El-Sayed, as have a number of local Our Revolution chapters -- and an outspoken progressive rabble-rouser, has been hired as a paid consultant to the campaign. She was introduced to El-Sayed, alongside Our Revolution President Nina Turner, by Sarsour in Detroit at the Women's Convention.

"This is really a moment when we can test our ability to actually organize and put together the 'A-team' to get behind Abdul," Wong said. "Hector (Sigala) and Kenneth (Pennington) actually transformed the grass-roots energy that was created by the grass roots into tangible action in 2016, whether that's fundraising or generating and distributing content."

Now, she added with a laugh, "We're bringing the band back together."


Bernie Sanders campaign veterans rally behind Michigan's El-Sayed
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2018 00:39 GMT
#192689
On January 05 2018 07:37 Leporello wrote:
[image loading]
She introduced the recording as a "special guest" (this is of the President, who is currently, physically, in the White House, where he's allowed and some might say expected to live).
She then thanked the TV as "Mr. President" when the recording was done.

And it's one of those moments where I feel like America just kind of died.


Also that Trump was in the White House during this Presser. He could not have been more than 200 feet away.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
January 05 2018 00:41 GMT
#192690
On January 05 2018 09:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 07:37 Leporello wrote:
[image loading]
She introduced the recording as a "special guest" (this is of the President, who is currently, physically, in the White House, where he's allowed and some might say expected to live).
She then thanked the TV as "Mr. President" when the recording was done.

And it's one of those moments where I feel like America just kind of died.


Also that Trump was in the White House during this Presser. He could not have been more than 200 feet away.

If it was broadcast live I'd say there was a 100% chance he was watching it on tv from within 200 feet :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 05 2018 00:51 GMT
#192691
Trump is definitely under personal investigation for obstruction.

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2018 00:59 GMT
#192692
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
January 05 2018 01:08 GMT
#192693
On January 05 2018 07:51 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 03:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Hmm...

https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/948983484378476544

Probably related to Meltdown/Spectre, and the fact that no one's data, anywhere, has actually ever been safe.

I've been listening to techies freaking out all day.

Everything about that bug is amazing.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 01:27:51
January 05 2018 01:25 GMT
#192694
Any chance this bannon thing is going to blow up? Suposedly he is speaking with mueller and on national tv in my country there was speculation that he already had made a deal with mueller (there where also other speculations that I don't recall)
Or is this just storm in glass of water nr 100?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
January 05 2018 01:54 GMT
#192695
On January 05 2018 10:25 pmh wrote:
Any chance this bannon thing is going to blow up? Suposedly he is speaking with mueller and on national tv in my country there was speculation that he already had made a deal with mueller (there where also other speculations that I don't recall)
Or is this just storm in glass of water nr 100?

there's always a "chance" but it's very unlikely.
lots of people have made deals with mueller; not sure why bannon would make one particularly though; unlike alot of the other people, i'm not aware of any charges bannon would be facing which would be a reason to make a deal.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 01:58:55
January 05 2018 01:57 GMT
#192696
Speaking of half brain Democratic party, here's another thing they should put on their platform.





The neoliberal virus is hard to cure sadly.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 02:20:04
January 05 2018 02:04 GMT
#192697
glad to see you including at least a bit of commentary with the tweets stealth.
plausible proposals, but need a lot of fleshing out still rather than just some tweets. I'd like to hear something that addresses the obvious problems with them.
I rather dislike the way that guy speaks; sounds like a demagogue.

which version of neoliberalism are you sniping at? there's so many different ones.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
January 05 2018 02:10 GMT
#192698
On January 05 2018 10:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Speaking of half brain Democratic party, here's another thing they should put on their platform.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/949094272896249858

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/949096729051389956

The neoliberal virus is hard to cure sadly.


Don't exactly need to decry (neo)liberalism to introduce maternity leave and paid vacation. Just stop voting for the party with the cute elephant logo
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 05 2018 02:16 GMT
#192699
On January 05 2018 11:10 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 10:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Speaking of half brain Democratic party, here's another thing they should put on their platform.

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/949094272896249858

https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/949096729051389956

The neoliberal virus is hard to cure sadly.


Don't exactly need to decry (neo)liberalism to introduce maternity leave and paid vacation. Just stop voting for the party with the cute elephant logo

Not really when the Democratic party has its own head up its literal and figurative ass.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
January 05 2018 02:16 GMT
#192700
On January 05 2018 09:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Trump is definitely under personal investigation for obstruction.

https://twitter.com/nytmike/status/949078007179825152

3 big revelations in this story.

1) Sessions and Trump were looking for dirt on Comey before firing him.
2) Sessions was asked by Trump (via lawyer) to not recuse. But Justice Department officials had made it clear to Sessions that he had to.
3) Reince Priebus has receipts on Trump pressuring Comey to publicly absolve him.

So those are, like, obstruction of justice charges #'s 57-59.
Big water
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