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IgnE
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 06 2018 14:43 Danglars wrote: The hearings were grandstanding bullshit. The surrounding investigations should've been quicker affairs. That much is obvious. Ok then you seem to be internally consistent on this, I respect that. I don't know what the details of this investigation are, but If there is good non partisan reason then the person should be investigated regardless of party. The asking for Steele to be investigated however still seems like a silly attempt at appealing to their base by making a statement that will almost 100% not be followed up on. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
the nickname has been set | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7916 Posts
On January 06 2018 20:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949498795074736129 the nickname has been set Jesus, it looks like a mean middle school girl whining. This is pathetic. | ||
micronesia
United States24723 Posts
He has previously described himself as very humble and, currently, like, very smart. He described himself as a VERY successful businessman, a top TV Star, and POTUS on his first try. While I don't personally consider him a top TV Star, that is at least a reasonable claim. The rest is not. I do recall Trump running for president five years ago, although apparently he does not. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/16/donald-trump-us-presidential-race I think it's slowly getting harder and harder for his supporters to not see him for what he really is at this point, but denial is very powerful. A self proclaimed genius, him. Very stable. | ||
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Introvert
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Or maybe he didn't forget he ran for President and this is part of the new groupthink. Good morning. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21933 Posts
On January 06 2018 22:55 Leporello wrote: He forgot he ran for President. And the world is now aware of that. On the other hand, we know he's a genius now, and who wouldn't be impressed? Or maybe he didn't forget he ran for President and this is part of the new groupthink. Good morning. Both actually. Remember hes a massive narcissist so he is mentally unable to accept he has shortcomings or failures. | ||
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oBlade
United States5749 Posts
On January 06 2018 22:27 micronesia wrote: Let's discuss this official Whitehouse statement: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949618475877765120 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949619270631256064 He has previously described himself as very humble and, currently, like, very smart. He described himself as a VERY successful businessman, a top TV Star, and POTUS on his first try. While I don't personally consider him a top TV Star, that is at least a reasonable claim. The rest is not. I do recall Trump running for president five years ago, although apparently he does not. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/16/donald-trump-us-presidential-race I think it's slowly getting harder and harder for his supporters to not see him for what he really is at this point, but denial is very powerful. A self proclaimed genius, him. Very stable. Most of us already pretty well know the president has an ego much larger than you'd expect for someone as compared to his hands. Usually when he has bragged about his humility it's been transparently tongue-in-cheek and showmanship. He did "run" in 2012, as well as in 2000 for the Reform Party Ross Perot started that collapsed. So he has technically filed and withdrew candidacies before, including for a third party, but never even appeared in a debate before. We know that, we're aware of it, but it seems to be pedantic and miss the point of him highlighting his own achievement of taking over a whole party and the presidency from nothing including since he was still a Democrat in 2009. (But okay, I can for the sake of argument grant you this important "gotcha" and then ask for example is illegal immigration down without laying a brick of the wall? and the answer's yep.) Business, he's not a Silicon Valley or telecom or retail titan, but people who build things in the world seem to be important because I like having buildings and such, even if they're assholes, I don't know how lucrative the field is so I don't know how well he actually did relatively, that would be nice to have nonpartisan insight into. Though the luxury brand aspect of his business seems weak just when I think about other luxury brands. We don't have in recent memory but there used to be people who won a party's nomination multiple times, and even subsequently lost the election multiple times. Also, this wasn't a random statement so it might help to know the context if you want to discuss it. You by accident omitted the first of the series of tweets: which introduces why he is talking about this now, which is the resistance's surge in trying to use the extraordinarily reliable field of psychiatry as a political shank and going "25th amendment" and "he picked up a glass of water with two hands" just because impeachment and Russia treason are increasingly clearly no longer outs. Is this one of those scenarios where he's not allowed to disagree because that very act proves the other side right? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21933 Posts
just because impeachment and Russia treason are increasingly clearly no longer outs. Citation needed | ||
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m4ini
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On January 06 2018 22:27 micronesia wrote: Let's discuss this official Whitehouse statement: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949618475877765120 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949619270631256064 He has previously described himself as very humble and, currently, like, very smart. He described himself as a VERY successful businessman, a top TV Star, and POTUS on his first try. While I don't personally consider him a top TV Star, that is at least a reasonable claim. The rest is not. I do recall Trump running for president five years ago, although apparently he does not. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/16/donald-trump-us-presidential-race I think it's slowly getting harder and harder for his supporters to not see him for what he really is at this point, but denial is very powerful. A self proclaimed genius, him. Very stable. You see, it's funny because usually you can tell which tweets are from the fake donald twitter, and which ones are from the real one. He's so stable, you can't actually see a difference anymore between the president of the united states of america and a twitter account specifically made to mock him. That's your president. Anyone claiming that he doesn't have mental issues of sorts might want to get checked himself. Also, this wasn't a random statement so it might help to know the context if you want to discuss it. You by accident omitted the first of the series of tweets: Not that the first tweet would change anything in regards to the other ones, it just sprinkles some more delusion and denial over the series. But thanks for pointing that out. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On January 06 2018 23:05 oBlade wrote: Most of us already pretty well know the president has an ego much larger than you'd expect for someone as compared to his hands. Usually when he has bragged about his humility it's been transparently tongue-in-cheek and showmanship. He did "run" in 2012, as well as in 2000 for the Reform Party Ross Perot started that collapsed. So he has technically filed and withdrew candidacies before, including for a third party, but never even appeared in a debate before. We know that, we're aware of it, but it seems to be pedantic and miss the point of him highlighting his own achievement of taking over a whole party and the presidency from nothing including since he was still a Democrat in 2009. (But okay, I can for the sake of argument grant you this important "gotcha" and then ask for example is illegal immigration down without laying a brick of the wall? and the answer's yep.) Business, he's not a Silicon Valley or telecom or retail titan, but people who build things in the world seem to be important because I like having buildings and such, even if they're assholes, I don't know how lucrative the field is so I don't know how well he actually did relatively, that would be nice to have nonpartisan insight into. Though the luxury brand aspect of his business seems weak just when I think about other luxury brands. We don't have in recent memory but there used to be people who won a party's nomination multiple times, and even subsequently lost the election multiple times. Also, this wasn't a random statement so it might help to know the context if you want to discuss it. You by accident omitted the first of the series of tweets: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949616329463615489 which introduces why he is talking about this now, which is the resistance's surge in trying to use the extraordinarily reliable field of psychiatry as a political shank and going "25th amendment" and "he picked up a glass of water with two hands" just because impeachment and Russia treason are increasingly clearly no longer outs. Is this one of those scenarios where he's not allowed to disagree because that very act proves the other side right? Sure, maybe that, or he's just a manchild. You really think the tweets' problem is they were lacking the full appropriate context? OH LORD | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28702 Posts
On January 06 2018 22:43 Introvert wrote: The use of the word "like" in that manner almost makes it sound sarcastic and mocking. It's not, though. That's actually who and how he is. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Someone should probably tell him that Ronald Reagan actually did have a mental illness... | ||
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m4ini
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On January 06 2018 23:15 Liquid`Drone wrote: It's not, though. That's actually who and how he is. The use of "like", as been used by college girls, is on record multiple times for trump. There's no mocking. That's, like, how he's talking. Someone should probably tell him that Ronald Reagan actually did have a mental illness... Hum? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21933 Posts
On January 06 2018 23:17 m4ini wrote: The use of "like", as been used by college girls, is on record multiple times for trump. There's no mocking. That's, like, how he's talking. Hum? Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's disease. The question is: Did he suffer from it while he was president? According to the president’s son, Ron Reagan, in his book “My Father at 100,” President Reagan did show signs of dementia back then. In addition, journalist/author Jane Mayer said in an 2011 New Yorker article that several top White House advisers in early 1987 were so concerned about Reagan’s mental state they talked about invoking the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which calls for the vice-president to take over in the event of the president’s incapacity. http://www.chicagonow.com/opinionated-woman/2017/02/11-presidents-who-may-have-suffered-from-mental-illness-besides-donald-trump/#image/5 First hit I got about it on google. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 06 2018 23:22 Gorsameth wrote: http://www.chicagonow.com/opinionated-woman/2017/02/11-presidents-who-may-have-suffered-from-mental-illness-besides-donald-trump/#image/5 First hit I got about it on google. I googled "ronald reagon mental illness", only got things about his legacy for mental illness patients (repealing mental health care act or something). Cheers. | ||
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micronesia
United States24723 Posts
On January 06 2018 23:05 oBlade wrote: This is not a 'gotcha', and pointing out that he is blatantly false in his self aggrandizing claims is not being pedantic.He did "run" in 2012, as well as in 2000 for the Reform Party Ross Perot started that collapsed. So he has technically filed and withdrew candidacies before, including for a third party, but never even appeared in a debate before. We know that, we're aware of it, but it seems to be pedantic and miss the point of him highlighting his own achievement of taking over a whole party and the presidency from nothing including since he was still a Democrat in 2009. (But okay, I can for the sake of argument grant you this important "gotcha" and then ask for example is illegal immigration down without laying a brick of the wall? and the answer's yep.) Business, he's not a Silicon Valley or telecom or retail titan, but people who build things in the world seem to be important because I like having buildings and such, even if they're assholes, I don't know how lucrative the field is so I don't know how well he actually did relatively, that would be nice to have nonpartisan insight into. Though the luxury brand aspect of his business seems weak just when I think about other luxury brands. You should look at his overall business acumen, not just a cherry-picked basket of accomplishments he takes credit for.Also, this wasn't a random statement so it might help to know the context if you want to discuss it. You by accident omitted the first of the series of tweets: I did not really forget it... it just wan't relevant. If you think it's important to show that he was referring to accusations about his poor mental state, then I'm actually doing him a favor and casting his follow-up tweets in a more favorable light by omitting the first tweet, but I just didn't care either way. In or out of context, my concerns with the tweets are the same.<snip> Is this one of those scenarios where he's not allowed to disagree because that very act proves the other side right? No. He can disagree. He shouldn't disagree with concerns that he is going insane by calling himself a genius. Pretty much everything he says on the topic seems to confirm the suspicions of his accusers, which leads me to believe he is his own worst enemy on this topic. | ||
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oBlade
United States5749 Posts
On January 06 2018 23:12 Leporello wrote: Sure, maybe that, or he's just a manchild. You really think the tweets' problem is they were lacking the full appropriate context? OH LORD No, I don't think there's any problem with the tweets at all. I think the first amendment also applies to the president and even if he's wrong you're allowed to be wrong. And as I tried to suggest, fine, suppose he's a manchild, so what? That stops jobs being up? So I should wish someone else had been elected? Or I should want him to stop being president? Maybe it's just me but it's Twitter. I get that people don't like the president and so don't like his tweets, but you have to find a reason to work backwards to convince someone from a tweet, to think whatever you're trying to convince them of. At any rate he tweets just like he talks, but people who hate him don't listen to him talk I imagine, but put the exact same thing on a social network that's full of bubbles trolling each other and making shallow jokes and we can do news about it, because it's already in print. Like we know it's Trump, we know Trump is Trump, but this is different, he was Trump on the internet and I had to read about it. There's no motivation in this to make a disinterested person care, there's no issue, it's like gossip. Or if we really, with no medical training, sincerely thought any president were so mentally unfit as to need to be removed, that we would know better than the people close to him? | ||
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