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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
December 17 2017 17:47 GMT
#191001
How are Trump's lawyers consistently so terrible? It's astonishing.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22697 Posts
December 17 2017 17:51 GMT
#191002
On December 18 2017 02:47 On_Slaught wrote:
How are Trump's lawyers consistently so terrible? It's astonishing.

Because good lawyers don't smear their record with bad cases?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
December 17 2017 18:11 GMT
#191003
Trump has been instructing his legal team to make shitty, time-wasting arguments since he was first sued many years ago. There's no changing that now, it would seem.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
December 17 2017 18:15 GMT
#191004
The Predisent only surrounds himself with the best people, you guys. How dare you besmirch them.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 17 2017 18:28 GMT
#191005
On December 18 2017 02:43 zlefin wrote:
that follows a well known legal strategy: use your riches to bury your poorer opponents under piles of frivolous motions (while arguin them well enough that you don' get smacked down by the judge for doing that).
reminds me of SLAP suits

Strategy doesn't really work when anyone they're suing could easily fund their legal costs with a gofundme...
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 17 2017 18:59 GMT
#191006
I don't really blame the lawyers too much. Well, I do because they have zero personal integrity, but lawyer jokes are a thing for a reason.

Trump is paying them by the hour and always giving them work. Not like anyone's going to remember them when they're retiring with a giant bank account.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 17 2017 21:53 GMT
#191007
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 17 2017 22:00 GMT
#191008
On December 18 2017 03:11 farvacola wrote:
Trump has been instructing his legal team to make shitty, time-wasting arguments since he was first sued many years ago. There's no changing that now, it would seem.


When you can bill over a grand an hour doing it... hey why not. It's easier than doing real legal work.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 22:01:30
December 17 2017 22:00 GMT
#191009
So what is campaigning on government being corrupt, inefficient and inept; so vote me into government.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 17 2017 22:10 GMT
#191010
To some homeless people, San Francisco’s latest security robot was a rolling friend on five wheels that they called “R2-D2 Two”. To others living in tents within the droid’s radius, it was the “anti-homeless robot”.

For a month, the 400lb, bullet-shaped bot patrolled outside the not-for-profit San Francisco SPCA animal shelter, rolling around the organization’s parking lots and sidewalks, capturing security video and reading up to 300 license plates per minute. Homeless people who pitched their tents in an alleyway nearby complained they felt the beeping, whirring droid’s job was to run them off.

“We called it the anti-homeless robot,” said John Alvarado, who was one of numerous people camping next to the animal shelter when the robot arrived. He said he quickly decided to move his tent half a block away: “I guess that was the reason for the robot.”

Officials of both the SF SPCA and Knightscope, who rented the robot to the shelter, denied that the intention was to dislodge homeless encampments.

“The SPCA has the right to protect its property, employees and visitors, and Knightscope is dedicated to helping them achieve this goal,” Knightscope said in a statement.

SF SPCA staff members said the facility had been plagued with break-ins, staff members had been harassed as they went to the parking lot and sidewalks were littered with hypodermic needles. Jennifer Scarlett, the SF SPCA president, said in a release that her organization “was exploring the use of a robot to prevent additional burglaries at our facility and to deter other crimes that frequently occur on our campus – like car break-ins, harassment, vandalism, and graffiti – not to disrupt homeless people”.

But after complaints about the program were shared widely on social media, the organization quickly admitted it had made a mistake in its choice of security guards – and fired the robot.

“Since this story has gone viral, we’ve received hundreds of messages inciting violence and vandalism against our facility, and encouraging people to take retribution,” said Scarlett, noting that their campus had since been vandalized twice. “We are taking this opportunity to reflect on the ‘teachable moment’.”

Some of the homeless people who crossed paths with the white security robot, which bore images of dogs and cats, as it patrolled outside of San Francisco SPCA this month thought it was a cute and a positive addition to the area.

TJ Thornton, whose tent is still pitched across the street from the shelter’s parking lot, nicknamed the bot “R2-D2 Two”. He liked how the machine made little whistling sounds as it moved along the sidewalk and how it would even say “hello” if you walked past it.

Thornton said he thought the bot had a positive influence on the neighborhood and relieved the pressure on local homeless people to always keep an eye on cars parked nearby. “People living on the streets actually watch out for the cars. If anyone does anything stupid, like breaking into cars, it reflects on us.”

Others saw the robot as Big Brother, surveilling their every move with video cameras. “That SPCA robot was the bane of our existence,” said Lexi Evans, 26, who has been living on San Francisco’s streets for 13 years. “It was driving us crazy.”

She said her group of friends had a tent encampment behind the SPCA. When they first saw the robot looking at them, they found it creepy. Then they noticed its white light flashing and thought it was recording their every move on video. Later they observed police officers coming to interact with the robot and wondered whether it was feeding information to law enforcement.

“We started feeling like this thing was surveilling us for the police,” said Evans, whose whole tent encampment has now moved around the block outside another business. “That’s officially invasion of privacy. That’s uncool.”

Evans said that once, someone became so angry with the thing that they knocked it over. The robot made a “whee-ooh wah” sound.

In another instance, somebody “put a tarp over it, knocked it over and put barbecue sauce on all the sensors”, Scarlett, the SPCA president, told the San Francisco Business Times.

Trouble really started for the robot last week, when the city issued an order for it to stay off the public sidewalk or face a daily penalty of up to $1,000 for operating in the public right of way without a permit. Then the story hit the internet, with Scarlett telling the Business Times that “from a walking standpoint, I find the robot much easier to navigate than an encampment”.

But by Friday, SF SPCA was apologizing for having brought in the machine.

“We regret that our words were ill-chosen. They did not properly convey the pilot program’s intent and they inaccurately reflected our values,” said Scarlett. “We are a nonprofit that is extremely sensitive to the issues of homelessness.”

Knightscope’s robots have gotten into trouble in other cities. Last year, a similar robot allegedly ran over a 16-month-old toddler at the Stanford Shopping Center in the town of Palo Alto, causing minor injuries. Another Knightscope security robot became famous on social media for drowning itself in the fountain of the Washington DC office complex it was policing.

“I already miss it,” said Danica Dito, who works in the SPCA administrative offices. “Just the fact that it rolled around discouraged crime.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
December 17 2017 22:44 GMT
#191011
On December 18 2017 06:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/942374150903095296


Funny, I'd use the exact same analogy except swapping "rooting against" with "not holding accountable"
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
December 17 2017 22:46 GMT
#191012
That kind of argument sounds like the Rorschach "you're locked in here with me" scene lol. Is his point seriously that Trump is so terrible that the only reason to still support him is that you're trapped on a metaphorical plane with him?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 22:48:28
December 17 2017 22:48 GMT
#191013
On December 18 2017 07:46 Nyxisto wrote:
That kind of argument sounds like the Rorschach "you're locked in here with me" scene lol. Is his point seriously that Trump is so terrible that the only reason to still support him is that you're trapped on a metaphorical plane with him?

I think it's more the fake argument: "you should support the president cuz he's the president, cuz he's all our president."
at least that's what i'd guess.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12073 Posts
December 17 2017 22:54 GMT
#191014
On December 18 2017 07:48 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2017 07:46 Nyxisto wrote:
That kind of argument sounds like the Rorschach "you're locked in here with me" scene lol. Is his point seriously that Trump is so terrible that the only reason to still support him is that you're trapped on a metaphorical plane with him?

I think it's more the fake argument: "you should support the president cuz he's the president, cuz he's all our president."
at least that's what i'd guess.

"He is the president of the US and thus represents the US, so if you are against the president you are against the US"
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5082 Posts
December 17 2017 22:57 GMT
#191015
Democrats say the same thing when a Democrat is president, this is the most banal political line and not worth even a tweet. Everyone knows it's garbage, but they say it anyways.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 17 2017 23:02 GMT
#191016
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
December 17 2017 23:06 GMT
#191017
lol that dude next to McConnell looks like a Bond villain circa 1969.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 23:13:52
December 17 2017 23:10 GMT
#191018
I swear, at least half of political tweets make no sense unless you live in either of the bubbles. Either everything Trump/GOP does is blatant corruption or he's a saint. There is no middle ground.

I'd love to work at Facebook or Twitter in a position where I could do some social graph analysis to see just how isolated the two sides are.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
December 17 2017 23:10 GMT
#191019
Analogy fails when the President thinks he's a pilot and is flying the plane, but doesn't realize mountains don't move out of the way.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-17 23:25:20
December 17 2017 23:23 GMT
#191020
I don’t root against the president. I don’t want the plane to crash because a whole lot of innocent people will suffer.

I do think we’d be better off if Trump went golfing and I hate when people criticize him for it, except to point out his hypocrisy. This country, while far from perfect, would have been better off if he had left it on autopilot and not changed a thing from where Obama left it. Maybe autopilot takes us through some turbulence and to the wrong airport, but it will get us there safely and we’re not too far from our destination.

I do expect Trump and his policies to fail mightily and hurt a lot of people. He acted like a crazy man with no knowledge of how to fly before becoming our pilot. Now he’s pulling hard on the control stick and will soon have us stall out and crash.

I hope he gets impeached so that someone slightly more competent can take over. That new person may take us far from our destination, but perhaps he can at least prevent the crash. Then a new pilot can take over and set us on the right path again.

I don’t mind rooting for Trump to undeniably demonstrate his incompetence so that everyone knows we need to replace this pilot before we crash.

I can do airplane analogies too.
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