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On March 10 2014 12:57 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 12:03 aksfjh wrote:On March 10 2014 08:27 itsjustatank wrote:
every public school I have walked into has felt, looked, and acted more like a prison than a place of learning. What does a "place of learning" look like exactly? certainly not like ![[image loading]](http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061002/061002_detect_hmed_5p.grid-6x2.jpg) so you support the idea that an arbitrary determination that the way you are holding your hand at a fraction of a second captured on a single frame should ruin a kid's life, without appeal? nice. the federal policy has spawned this ridiculous fear mentality.
No I don't support that, and it's unclear why you would think that. I think the kid should have been able to do whatever he wanted, even if he knew it was a gang sign.
Yeah, the federal policy on guns has probably helped spawn this ridiculous fear mentality, what with all the 21st century school shootings.
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On March 10 2014 13:30 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 12:57 itsjustatank wrote:On March 10 2014 12:03 aksfjh wrote:On March 10 2014 08:27 itsjustatank wrote:
every public school I have walked into has felt, looked, and acted more like a prison than a place of learning. What does a "place of learning" look like exactly? certainly not like so you support the idea that an arbitrary determination that the way you are holding your hand at a fraction of a second captured on a single frame should ruin a kid's life, without appeal? nice. the federal policy has spawned this ridiculous fear mentality. No I don't support that, and it's unclear why you would think that. I think the kid should have been able to do whatever he wanted, even if he knew it was a gang sign. Yeah, the federal policy on guns has probably helped spawn this ridiculous fear mentality, what with all the 21st century school shootings.
I mistook your description of what he happened to be holding up being similar to a gang sign as a defense.
People shooting up their schools is definitely a catalyst, but not much is being done to examine the root causes as to why it happens (save for the people who want to ban guns). There is a large cognitive dissonance surrounding the lack of discourse around things like making mental health care accessible and removing its stigma.
We can also talk about how modern schools are run like prisons, and kids are left in their minds with no recourse against bullying or other mental and physical stressors besides deadly violence.
In addition, the best way to deal with a bully was never to tell your teacher or your parents that something was wrong because they can't do shit about it. It used to be you beat the crap out of him to teach him a lesson. You'd go to jail for that now.
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Either that or the bully would beat the crap out of you repeatedly. Until you shot him. Didn't you see Degrassi with Drake?
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School shootings aren't any more common than they used to be, they're just more widely publicized.
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On March 10 2014 13:43 zlefin wrote:
School shootings aren't any more common than they used to be, they're just more widely publicized.
it would be nice to see the academic papers on whether or not that's true. im actually willing to bet they are happening more simply because there are more people around nowadays.
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On March 10 2014 13:45 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 13:43 zlefin wrote:
School shootings aren't any more common than they used to be, they're just more widely publicized. it would be nice to see the academic papers on whether or not that's true. im actually willing to bet they are happening more simply because there are more people around nowadays.
Depends on if your history only goes back to Columbine.
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(Reuters) - Double-digit annual returns for most U.S. public pension systems over the past two years have done little to shrink the yawning deficits facing many of them after a decade of inadequate funding, according to analysts and recent data.
Thanks to a robust stock market, most systems have enjoyed windfalls recently, with investment returns far exceeding projections. Even so, many are still struggling with shortfalls. In some cases, they have worsened as state contributions fail to keep pace with what is needed to pay beneficiaries.
Roughly half of U.S. state pension plans have worrying gaps between what they have promised retirees and the funds on hand to pay benefits, according to most analyses.
The higher-than-expected returns since 2012 are welcome, but experts say they don't make up for a legacy of insufficient funding, a problem that afflicts many states that allow elected officials to control the process.
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On March 10 2014 13:43 zlefin wrote:
School shootings aren't any more common than they used to be, they're just more widely publicized.
I read an article last month that there have been at least 44 school shootings since Newtown. 44 in just over a year seems quite a bit. I wonder how that compares to the past few decades.
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On March 10 2014 13:35 itsjustatank wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 13:30 IgnE wrote:On March 10 2014 12:57 itsjustatank wrote:On March 10 2014 12:03 aksfjh wrote:On March 10 2014 08:27 itsjustatank wrote:
every public school I have walked into has felt, looked, and acted more like a prison than a place of learning. What does a "place of learning" look like exactly? certainly not like so you support the idea that an arbitrary determination that the way you are holding your hand at a fraction of a second captured on a single frame should ruin a kid's life, without appeal? nice. the federal policy has spawned this ridiculous fear mentality. No I don't support that, and it's unclear why you would think that. I think the kid should have been able to do whatever he wanted, even if he knew it was a gang sign. Yeah, the federal policy on guns has probably helped spawn this ridiculous fear mentality, what with all the 21st century school shootings. I mistook your description of what he happened to be holding up being similar to a gang sign as a defense. People shooting up their schools is definitely a catalyst, but not much is being done to examine the root causes as to why it happens (save for the people who want to ban guns). There is a large cognitive dissonance surrounding the lack of discourse around things like making mental health care accessible and removing its stigma. We can also talk about how modern schools are run like prisons, and kids are left in their minds with no recourse against bullying or other mental and physical stressors besides deadly violence. In addition, the best way to deal with a bully was never to tell your teacher or your parents that something was wrong because they can't do shit about it. It used to be you beat the crap out of him to teach him a lesson. You'd go to jail for that now.
1) No you don't go to jail. Any case that I saw that involved fighting ended in suspension at worst, unless it was multiple offenses.
2) What world do you live in where some 5 ft scrawny nerd can fight a bully a foot taller? Usually kids are bullied because they lack the physical and/or the emotional ability to defend themselves in the first place.
Also, I asked what it looks like, not what it doesn't look like. Show me an example of a "place of learning" so we can get a better idea of what you're looking for, instead of empty rhetoric about the "good ol' days" or how "screwed up the system is."
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On March 10 2014 23:17 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 13:35 itsjustatank wrote:On March 10 2014 13:30 IgnE wrote:On March 10 2014 12:57 itsjustatank wrote:On March 10 2014 12:03 aksfjh wrote:On March 10 2014 08:27 itsjustatank wrote:
every public school I have walked into has felt, looked, and acted more like a prison than a place of learning. What does a "place of learning" look like exactly? certainly not like so you support the idea that an arbitrary determination that the way you are holding your hand at a fraction of a second captured on a single frame should ruin a kid's life, without appeal? nice. the federal policy has spawned this ridiculous fear mentality. No I don't support that, and it's unclear why you would think that. I think the kid should have been able to do whatever he wanted, even if he knew it was a gang sign. Yeah, the federal policy on guns has probably helped spawn this ridiculous fear mentality, what with all the 21st century school shootings. I mistook your description of what he happened to be holding up being similar to a gang sign as a defense. People shooting up their schools is definitely a catalyst, but not much is being done to examine the root causes as to why it happens (save for the people who want to ban guns). There is a large cognitive dissonance surrounding the lack of discourse around things like making mental health care accessible and removing its stigma. We can also talk about how modern schools are run like prisons, and kids are left in their minds with no recourse against bullying or other mental and physical stressors besides deadly violence. In addition, the best way to deal with a bully was never to tell your teacher or your parents that something was wrong because they can't do shit about it. It used to be you beat the crap out of him to teach him a lesson. You'd go to jail for that now. 1) No you don't go to jail. Any case that I saw that involved fighting ended in suspension at worst, unless it was multiple offenses. 2) What world do you live in where some 5 ft scrawny nerd can fight a bully a foot taller? Usually kids are bullied because they lack the physical and/or the emotional ability to defend themselves in the first place. Also, I asked what it looks like, not what it doesn't look like. Show me an example of a "place of learning" so we can get a better idea of what you're looking for, instead of empty rhetoric about the "good ol' days" or how "screwed up the system is."
'A place of learning' is that which I implied: a school that isn't more focused on disciplining students and securitizing against them but rather performs the mission of a public school which is to educate people.
You seem to want to have a strawman to beat against in terms of education policy instead of staying on-topic about paranoid administrators and policy, so let's just say I support charter schooling.
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Last month 10.5 million people were unemployed, including 3.8 million who have been out of work for six months or more. But those numbers only count the people who are out of work and still looking for jobs.
Even though February saw more people returning to the labor force, the percent of the population working or looking for work remains near a 30-year low due to millions of dropouts during the recession.
A Deutsche Bank analysis of Federal Reserve and Labor Department data shows a big chunk of those dropouts – 5.5 million – are retirees. But nearly three million others are counted as disabled and the number of people applying for Social Security disability benefits has spiked in recent years. Others have simply given up looking, likely because they’re discouraged by their job prospects.
The consequences are severe and long-lasting.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/03/07/when-people-give-up-looking-for-work-what-do-they-do/
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On March 10 2014 13:35 itsjustatank wrote:
In addition, the best way to deal with a bully was never to tell your teacher or your parents that something was wrong because they can't do shit about it. It used to be you beat the crap out of him to teach him a lesson. You'd go to jail for that now. True on so many levels. The modern teaching on how to handle bullies is atrocious. I looked at some of the programs in local public schools and wondered what kid EVER would be convinced that was a good idea ever. I don't blame those that sit through the seminars and would still choose to fight: win or lose.
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On March 10 2014 20:56 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +(Reuters) - Double-digit annual returns for most U.S. public pension systems over the past two years have done little to shrink the yawning deficits facing many of them after a decade of inadequate funding, according to analysts and recent data.
Thanks to a robust stock market, most systems have enjoyed windfalls recently, with investment returns far exceeding projections. Even so, many are still struggling with shortfalls. In some cases, they have worsened as state contributions fail to keep pace with what is needed to pay beneficiaries.
Roughly half of U.S. state pension plans have worrying gaps between what they have promised retirees and the funds on hand to pay benefits, according to most analyses.
The higher-than-expected returns since 2012 are welcome, but experts say they don't make up for a legacy of insufficient funding, a problem that afflicts many states that allow elected officials to control the process. source This is a huge issue in my state. When investments looked like they were going nowhere but up faster and faster, lavish pensions for public employee unions were enshrined in law and collective bargaining. Even then, the assumptions that they would be well funded were made using very sunny figures. Pension reform is a big deal, perhaps the biggest one amongst the taboo subjects. Any politician knows if they sound serious about changing it, they battle powerful special interests and face huge challenges getting re-elected. The lack of discussion surrounding this in my state politics really reveals the basic malaise of modern politics (even 20th century, really): don't face the politically sensitive issues no matter the importance.
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During the first month of recreational marijuana sales, Colorado's licensed dispensaries generated a total of more than $14 million, putting about $2 million of tax revenue into state coffers in the process.
The state Department of Revenue released the figures on Monday, which showed how much Colorado has taken in from both medical and recreational marijuana taxes and fees.
The medical marijuana sales for January generated an additional $900,000 in sales tax, for a total tax revenue of $2.9 million for both sides of the state's marijuana dispensary market. Including fees, the figure jumps to $3.5 million.
"The first month of sales for recreational marijuana fell in line with expectations," Barbara Brohl, executive director of the department, said in a statement. "We expect clear revenue patterns will emerge by April and plan to incorporate this data into future forecasts."
The figures represent the tax returns from 59 businesses around Colorado, according to the department.
The recreational marijuana tax numbers come from two levies that state voters approved last November -- a 10 percent special sales tax and a 15 percent excise tax.
Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) recently announced that he expects that the combined sales from both legal medical and recreational marijuana in the state will reach nearly $1 billion in the next fiscal year -- about $600 million of that is projected to come from just recreational sales. The state stands to collect at least $134 million in taxes and fees.
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Does anyone know off hand how much money Colorado stands to save by not imprisoning people for possession?
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On March 10 2014 23:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2014 20:56 RvB wrote:(Reuters) - Double-digit annual returns for most U.S. public pension systems over the past two years have done little to shrink the yawning deficits facing many of them after a decade of inadequate funding, according to analysts and recent data.
Thanks to a robust stock market, most systems have enjoyed windfalls recently, with investment returns far exceeding projections. Even so, many are still struggling with shortfalls. In some cases, they have worsened as state contributions fail to keep pace with what is needed to pay beneficiaries.
Roughly half of U.S. state pension plans have worrying gaps between what they have promised retirees and the funds on hand to pay benefits, according to most analyses.
The higher-than-expected returns since 2012 are welcome, but experts say they don't make up for a legacy of insufficient funding, a problem that afflicts many states that allow elected officials to control the process. source The lack of discussion surrounding this in my state politics really reveals the basic malaise of modern politics (even 20th century, really): don't face the politically sensitive issues no matter the importance.
He is totally right -- African American college student, 1950.
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What does everyone think about this #banbossy stuff? From my experience, guys don't tend to use the word bossy so I'm not sure what this campaign is getting at. In my experience girls tend to use the word bossy.. guys use a different B word.
This brings me to a different point, why does everyone have to be a leader in society and why does that role need to be looked upon as superior anyways.
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On March 11 2014 13:58 Livelovedie wrote:
What does everyone think about this #banbossy stuff? From my experience, guys don't tend to use the word bossy so I'm not sure what this campaign is getting at. In my experience girls tend to use the word bossy.. guys use a different B word.
This brings me to a different point, why does everyone have to be a leader in society and why does that role need to be looked upon as superior anyways.
i need more context for this. is this a young people thing or something?
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On March 11 2014 14:08 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 13:58 Livelovedie wrote:
What does everyone think about this #banbossy stuff? From my experience, guys don't tend to use the word bossy so I'm not sure what this campaign is getting at. In my experience girls tend to use the word bossy.. guys use a different B word.
This brings me to a different point, why does everyone have to be a leader in society and why does that role need to be looked upon as superior anyways. i need more context for this. is this a young people thing or something?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sheryl-sandberg-launches-ban-bossy-campaign-empower-girls/story?id=22819181
http://banbossy.com/
This a campaign started by the COO of facebook, a lot of other prominent female movie stars, politicians, and women in prominent positions in companies are also supporting and doing commercials for it.
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On March 11 2014 13:58 Livelovedie wrote:
What does everyone think about this #banbossy stuff? From my experience, guys don't tend to use the word bossy so I'm not sure what this campaign is getting at. In my experience girls tend to use the word bossy.. guys use a different B word.
This brings me to a different point, why does everyone have to be a leader in society and why does that role need to be looked upon as superior anyways. They're just trying to scapegoat the word to explain why their targets of women in leadership positions aren't met.
"This is a word that is symbolic of systemic discouragement of girls to lead. We are not just talking about getting rid of a word, even though we want to get rid of a word," she said. "We're talking about getting rid of the negative messages that hold our daughters back." I think it's a really weak social and cultural argument, even the impact these kind of campaigns could have. It oversimplifies the nature vs nurture debate. It's really apparent in the ABC linked piece. They move broad brush from "If you look at the world, women do 66 percent of the work in the world. Woman produce 50 percent of the food" (where is she even sourcing this?) to the shoulds of target percentages to the apparently obvious conclusion that this is because these girls were hit at an early age with sexist anti-leadership remarks from both girls and boys.
"And the teacher walks into this classroom and says: 'Boys and girls, I have this really hard, difficult program that I need to solve that's gonna impact this country.' She writes the problem on the board and then turns around and escorts 24 of the 25 girls out of the room. ... She leaves one girl and 25 boys to solve that equation. That's what's happening every day in this country. Why wouldn't we want more girls to be opting in to building the right solutions this country." Really faith-driven.
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