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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 12 2014 01:14 GMT
#18601
Maybe you are the humorless prick then.
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
March 12 2014 01:31 GMT
#18602
On March 12 2014 10:14 IgnE wrote:
Maybe you are the humorless prick then.


Eh, give him a pass. A combination of humor preference and an already fierce dislike of this president personally probably makes it harder to find it funny regardless of its actual merits.
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
March 12 2014 01:35 GMT
#18603
On March 12 2014 10:02 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 10:00 Introvert wrote:
On March 12 2014 09:38 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Im just witing for Obama to deal with North IKEA


wait wait wait. Wait. This is real? Please someone tell me this didn't actually happen. What a joke.


Yeah it did happen, and it's actually quite hilarious. The idea was to advertise ACA to young people.


It brought 5 million visits to the exchange. It's the most effective mode of bringing in traffic among young people so far, according to NPR.

And... LOL @ "Obama shouldn't be funny".. just lol
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 03:16:18
March 12 2014 03:15 GMT
#18604
On March 12 2014 10:13 Introvert wrote:
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On March 12 2014 10:12 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:08 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think a president should be a humorless prick?

True presidents right horses naked and shoot tigers, don't you know that?


nah, Reagan told jokes and still appeared presidential. If Obama wants to joke at a press conference or something like that, fine. But faux interviews like this just seem low. Just IMO.


He was talking about Putin riding horses naked (just shirtless really... I think) and shooting tigers.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5001 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 03:34:13
March 12 2014 03:32 GMT
#18605
On March 12 2014 12:15 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 10:13 Introvert wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:12 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:08 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think a president should be a humorless prick?

True presidents right horses naked and shoot tigers, don't you know that?


nah, Reagan told jokes and still appeared presidential. If Obama wants to joke at a press conference or something like that, fine. But faux interviews like this just seem low. Just IMO.


He was talking about Putin riding horses naked (just shirtless really... I think) and shooting tigers.


I thought he might be referring to things like this:

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But Putin did cross my mind as well.


My point was that I think Presidents should act presidential. That "interview" was not, in my opinion, presidential.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 03:44:39
March 12 2014 03:41 GMT
#18606
Of course it wasn't presidential, being presidential is something for old people to believe in, old people who are probably racist and homophobic and who are going to die soon so we can just ignore them except when we mock them.

Also Teddy Roosevelt killing a bigfoot with an anachronistic light machine gun while the forest burns baby burns is pretty damn awesome.
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
March 12 2014 03:43 GMT
#18607
Putin is too busy doing real interviews:
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
March 12 2014 08:07 GMT
#18608

David Jolly (R) defeated Alex Sink (D) on Tuesday in a Tampa-area House district where President Obama's health care overhaul got its first test ahead of November's midterm elections. both sides spent millions auditioning national strategies. (March 12)


This Congressional race was to replace Congressman Bill Young's seat in Florida's 13th district due to his passing away. Young was also a Republican, so Democrats didn't exactly lose a seat. But it could serve as an example of what's ahead for the 2014 midterm election.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28869 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 11:59:46
March 12 2014 11:58 GMT
#18609
On March 12 2014 10:13 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 10:12 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:08 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think a president should be a humorless prick?

True presidents right horses naked and shoot tigers, don't you know that?


nah, Reagan told jokes and still appeared presidential. If Obama wants to joke at a press conference or something like that, fine. But faux interviews like this just seem low. Just IMO.


Actually this just depends entirely on who you agree with politically. I think Reagan's "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." joke is absolutely terrible, one of the worst things any American president has ever said, literally. I actually remember using this when teaching cold war to some junior high school students - they all started laughing and shaking their heads with disbelief that an actual president could say something so stupid and unpresidentlike.

But I also think he was one of the worst presidents ever and if Clinton said something equally stupid, I'd be far more forgiving because it'd be like "meh, he's still cool", with Reagan however it's like, "yeah, plays perfectly into the image I already have of him". That's how you are with Obama, you exaggerate anything bad he does because it confirms the point of view you already have.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 12 2014 13:02 GMT
#18610
atleast obama was funny.
the "jokes" by german politicans give me cancer
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 13:10:08
March 12 2014 13:09 GMT
#18611
obama the great satan. antichrist? what's the term of art here
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
March 12 2014 15:36 GMT
#18612
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 12 2014 17:18 GMT
#18613
WASHINGTON -- Some inner city men suffer from a culture that does not value hard work, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan said Wednesday.

"We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work," the Wisconsin Republican said on Bill Bennett's "Morning in America" radio show. "There is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with."

Ryan's comment had been prompted by a question from Bennett about the "fatherless problem" and young people needing to see their parents working to understand the value of work. Ryan went on to say people should get involved in inner cities.

"If you're driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can't just say, 'I'm paying my taxes, government's got to fix that.' You need to get involved," Ryan said. "You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program, or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference. And that's how we help resuscitate our culture."

Ryan himself spent some time last year visiting cities and talking to ex-convicts "about the means of their salvation," the Washington Post reported in November.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate will soon unveil a budget proposal that would likely overhaul federal safety net programs for poor people while saving money for the federal government, one of his longstanding goals. Ryan has said programs like food stamps and Medicaid "trap" people in poverty because earning higher income through work means less eligibility for benefits. Ryan said last week that liberal poverty policies give people "a full stomach and an empty soul."


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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14159 Posts
March 12 2014 17:27 GMT
#18614
To be fair to democrats you had to ask people to chose between jolly and sink which is close to stink. Generic candidates I think would give the donkeys an edge.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 12 2014 17:27 GMT
#18615
When has american culture ever valued hard work? It's always been about innovating and creating new technology that reduces the amount of work we have to do...The business culture has always been about squeezing every penny and making things more efficient - not just doing your job and calling it a day. If you really value hard work you'd put a freeze on all technological and commercial progress.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
March 12 2014 17:29 GMT
#18616
Cultural values trend towards the paradoxical or hypocritical when given scrutiny.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 12 2014 17:32 GMT
#18617
On March 13 2014 02:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON -- Some inner city men suffer from a culture that does not value hard work, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan said Wednesday.

"We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work," the Wisconsin Republican said on Bill Bennett's "Morning in America" radio show. "There is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with."

Ryan's comment had been prompted by a question from Bennett about the "fatherless problem" and young people needing to see their parents working to understand the value of work. Ryan went on to say people should get involved in inner cities.

"If you're driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can't just say, 'I'm paying my taxes, government's got to fix that.' You need to get involved," Ryan said. "You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program, or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference. And that's how we help resuscitate our culture."

Ryan himself spent some time last year visiting cities and talking to ex-convicts "about the means of their salvation," the Washington Post reported in November.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate will soon unveil a budget proposal that would likely overhaul federal safety net programs for poor people while saving money for the federal government, one of his longstanding goals. Ryan has said programs like food stamps and Medicaid "trap" people in poverty because earning higher income through work means less eligibility for benefits. Ryan said last week that liberal poverty policies give people "a full stomach and an empty soul."


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I like it. Focus on the individual not utopian government solutions, quip on "a full stomach and an empty soul," willing to talk about the fatherless problem.

On March 12 2014 10:11 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 10:08 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think a president should be a humorless prick?


He should just be a serious person, or be funny in a strong way. He has to garner some sort of respect. This just makes him look like a fool. He has better things to do be doing. It's one thing to joke around, but this type of thing is just too low for my taste.

On second though, I'm all for Obama doing commercials instead of playing politics. He should go on a really long comedy tour. Until, say, January 2017.
He's pretty much beyond to repair his respect image. It's probably best for him to go all-in for a hip, in-touch, caring type that understands social media and has good humor. He spends enough time portraying his opponents as out-of-touch old fuddy-duddies.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 18:02:25
March 12 2014 17:48 GMT
#18618
On March 12 2014 20:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 10:13 Introvert wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:12 Nyxisto wrote:
On March 12 2014 10:08 IgnE wrote:
Why do you think a president should be a humorless prick?

True presidents right horses naked and shoot tigers, don't you know that?


nah, Reagan told jokes and still appeared presidential. If Obama wants to joke at a press conference or something like that, fine. But faux interviews like this just seem low. Just IMO.


Actually this just depends entirely on who you agree with politically. I think Reagan's "My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." joke is absolutely terrible, one of the worst things any American president has ever said, literally. I actually remember using this when teaching cold war to some junior high school students - they all started laughing and shaking their heads with disbelief that an actual president could say something so stupid and unpresidentlike.

But I also think he was one of the worst presidents ever and if Clinton said something equally stupid, I'd be far more forgiving because it'd be like "meh, he's still cool", with Reagan however it's like, "yeah, plays perfectly into the image I already have of him". That's how you are with Obama, you exaggerate anything bad he does because it confirms the point of view you already have.


Just a cultural difference I suppose, that joke of Reagan's was hi-larious. Mostly for the response because the actual joke wasn't very funny (maybe you had to be there and the delivery made it funny, I dunno). The Upper West Side more or less imploded. Also it was an impromptu remark before he started a speech that was not given in an interview or televised address and was not supposed to be published. Which actually speaks to its unpresidential nature as Reagan should have known nothing he said outside truly closed doors and most of what he said inside them would filter out to the public sooner or later. When I read about it it reminded me of Reagan's earlier career where he walked out of a debate and actually drove home because his opponent implied he was racist. His horrified advisers chased him to his house and told him get the fudge back in there or his campaign could be over and Reagan finally agreed to go back. The Russia joke happened literally decades later but seemed a throwback to me to that younger, more inexperienced Reagan.

When has american culture ever valued hard work? It's always been about innovating and creating new technology that reduces the amount of work we have to do...The business culture has always been about squeezing every penny and making things more efficient - not just doing your job and calling it a day. If you really value hard work you'd put a freeze on all technological and commercial progress.


Uh, no. What you're talking about is a distinct development after and partially because of the Civil War (rapid - modern-scale - technological progress in industry) that didn't really become powerful until after WW2 (service jobs).

Puritan work ethic and all that stuff was actually real and very influential for a long time in American culture. Also, in most cases, working hard = more efficiency, especially before the moving assembly line.

Also technological and commercial progress in the late 19th and early 20th centuries led to the proletariat laboring more frequently, if not harder, than they had when they were serfs working the lord's demesne 700 years prior. The serf usually did not work on Sundays. The serf usually only worked half-days for his lord 2, 3, usually no more than 4 days out of the week. There were literally dozens of holydays (Saints' feast days, etc.) where the serf worked a half-day at most. The steelworker in 1889 had a 12 hour shift 5 days a week and a 24-hour shift one day a week, with one day off, or, if he was unlucky, a half-day.

If you want to find confirmation (and it is limited confirmation, in many industries this never happened and still hasn't up to this day) of your theory, look at the rise of the service economy after WW2. The efficiency of industrial methods of production for almost everything produced made it possible for people to work at non-labor jobs because a smaller number of people were needed to actually produce food or cars or whatever. Sky-high demand helped industrial jobs keep growing but foreign competition started making things tighter in the 70s. Even then, not valuing hard work is a hipster attitude that even hippies would find lazy and stupid and it is not very prevalent outside of popular culture.

America never valuing hard work, that's just a fantasy based on movies more than anything. Lazy yet ruthless capitalist is a weird Marxist trope but there you have it and the implied inferiority in character of the capitalist society - they don't value hard work - is one of the more popular and enduring ones. Comrade Roe, don't you forget that Goehring too thought we only knew how to make washing machines and dirty movies?

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 12 2014 18:15 GMT
#18619
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) announced Wednesday she will retire at the end of this term.

"There does come a time to pass the torch of leadership, so after completing this term in office I will be doing just that," Brewer said. "While I will no longer be governor after this year, I will remain a proud cheerleader and champion for this state that I love so dearly."

Brewer made the announcement at an event at Park Meadows Elementary in Glendale, Arizona.

"Park Meadows is where I developed a passion for education and started a journey in public service," Brewer said.


Source
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
March 12 2014 18:21 GMT
#18620
She's gonna run for president I hope. Not that I want her to win the nomination or think she would but why not, America needs more Quixotic candidates who are actually decent people instead of Donald Trump.
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