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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 17 2017 04:13 GMT
#185201
Less bold, more shameless.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8964 Posts
November 17 2017 04:13 GMT
#185202
On November 17 2017 13:04 Plansix wrote:


Bold Strategy Cotton. Fucking bold.

Pot. Meet Kettle.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 04:32:07
November 17 2017 04:30 GMT
#185203


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 17 2017 04:33 GMT
#185204
On November 17 2017 13:04 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931357870024687616

Bold Strategy Cotton. Fucking bold.

Trump should break down the game film and show all of the pervs how it's done.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 17 2017 07:12 GMT
#185205


This guy apparently just resigned from the clown parade.
doomdonker
Profile Joined October 2017
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 09:40:40
November 17 2017 09:40 GMT
#185206
On November 17 2017 13:04 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931357870024687616

Bold Strategy Cotton. Fucking bold.


Just a little bit of projection there Donald Trump. Only a little.

Has Trump commented on Moore yet or is he still silent on that guy?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23060 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 09:54:05
November 17 2017 09:53 GMT
#185207
Wonder what was in the water in 2007? All I want to know is who drove up 2010's total. That must have been something pretty damn bad.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7873 Posts
November 17 2017 10:15 GMT
#185208
On November 17 2017 12:00 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 11:16 IgnE wrote:
On November 17 2017 11:00 xDaunt wrote:
On November 17 2017 10:54 IgnE wrote:
i was theorizing a kind of post hoc indentured servitude

Good thing insurance exists that market optimization led to the creation of insurance so that I don't have to make such a commitment.


im talking about for all those young folks out there who dont want to pay insurance and resent the mandate but may change their minds if catastrophe strikes.

only fascists mandate payments. for the rest of there are life bondsmen.

that could be a marketing slogan


Haha. But yeah, I really don't understand the aversion that some people have to insurance. Only idiots forego insurance. If you're truly destitute and unable to purchase it, fine (and you have nothing to insure anyway). But everyone else should have it to one degree or another. I guess that, in our free society, we just have to afford people the right to make catastrophically stupid decisions for themselves and allow them to fail.

Why would you want to “afford” that?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11436 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 11:15:50
November 17 2017 10:47 GMT
#185209
I still think that americans should just take a look at how healthcare works in other countries. That would solve a lot of problems.

The things that people seem to be scared of about socialized medicine are simply not a problem.

There is no "weight the advantages and disadvantages". The US system is just bad. It gives you worse care for more money, with a less fair allocation of that care. Just step over your shadow, admit that your system sucks donkey balls, don't start the "US exceptionalism" chain of stupidity, and just lift the complete workings of a health system from the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, or whoever else you prefer. All of them are better than the US system.

And despite all of the "Non-public" workings of the US system, and all the private money being poured into the system, the US still spends more public money on their healthcare than most first-world nations. That is the amazing thing. The US system is just bad. Get over it and steal a good one.

All of the things that you think are a problem with other countries healthcare systems really aren't. Healthcare doesn't have to be annoying, complex to use, incredibly expensive, incredibly unequal, and have a chance of ruining your life by bankrupting you if you didn't read the fine print of your contract.

If i am sick in Germany, i go to the doctor and get treated. I don't have to check if that specific doctor cooperates with my specific insurance. I don't have to look at my bank account to see whether i can afford it. I hand them my insurance card and that is it. I don't have to constantly deal with my insurance at all. Because the system works.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7873 Posts
November 17 2017 11:07 GMT
#185210
On November 17 2017 19:47 Simberto wrote:
I still think that americans should just take a look at how healthcare works in other countries. That would solve a lot of problems.

The thinks that people seem to be scared of about socialized medicine are simply not a problem.

There is no "weight the advantages and disadvantages". The US system is just bad. It gives you worse care for more money, with a less fair allocation of that care. Just step over your shadow, admit that your system sucks donkey balls, don't start the "US exceptionalism" chain of stupidity, and just lift the complete workings of a health system from the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, or whoever else you prefer. All of them are better than the US system.

And despite all of the "Non-public" workings of the US system, and all the private money being poured into the system, the US still spends more public money on their healthcare than most first-world nations. That is the amazing thing. The US system is just bad. Get over it and steal a good one.

All of the things that you think are a problem with other countries healthcare systems really aren't. Healthcare doesn't have to be annoying, complex to use, incredibly expensive, incredibly unequal, and have a chance of ruining your life by bankrupting you if you didn't read the fine print of your contract.

If i am sick in Germany, i go to the doctor and get treated. I don't have to check if that specific doctor cooperates with my specific insurance. I don't have to look at my bank account to see whether i can afford it. I hand them my insurance card and that is it. I don't have to constantly deal with my insurance at all. Because the system works.

Apparently you are more free if some people live a fucking miserable life and die of horrible disease untreated because of their sacred right to make horrible mistakes and pay forever for it. Also it might be more expensive for people who can afford it in the current system if the people who can't get in, so fuck them.

That's basically the two axis of xDaunt rational, unless I missed something.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2394 Posts
November 17 2017 12:12 GMT
#185211
Even if 60% of Americans woke up one day and agreed they should copy another country's health system, one does not simply radically transform 18% of the economy overnight. The switching costs are huge.

The other problem is the actual quality of governance. Public health systems can be horribly mismanaged if the quality of regulations, management and oversight is shoddy. Public hospitals can be extremely sucky at efficient resource management, public systems can be wrought with corruption, public sector employees can have an oversized influence in resource allocation in the entire systems, increasing costs.

The US has a dysfunctional health system in great part because it has a dysfunctional political system. Furthermore, often the general quality of public services in the US is inferior to those of other developed countries. Even if they went ahead with transforming the whole system, I'm not sure you'd end up with the same efficiency as systems in Europe that have decades of experience and 95% of the public opinion in their favor.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 17 2017 13:05 GMT
#185212
frontman Gene Simmons—until this week, a favorite guest on Fox News and Fox Business Network programs, which couldn’t get enough of his supposedly outrageous rock-star antics mixed with conservative politics—has been banned for life from the right-leaning cable channels.

Fox finally had enough of Simmons after he crudely insulted female Fox staffers, taunted them and exposed his chest, and otherwise behaved like the “demon” character he plays onstage. Management was not amused, and Simmons’s photograph was promptly posted Wednesday at the security entrance of the company’s Manhattan headquarters along with a “do-not-admit” advisory.

Simmons’s publicist didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

The trouble started Wednesday morning after the Israeli-born Simmons—birth name: Chaim Witz, who dresses like a preening teenager at age 68—appeared on Fox & Friends and Maria Bartiromo’s Fox Business Network show, Mornings with Maria, to promote his new book On Power.

Things seemed to be going well enough when Simmons jumped up from the Fox & Friends couch to help meteorologist Janice Dean do her weather report—a delighted Dean later posted video on her Twitter feed—and then sat on a panel with Bartiromo, who asked his views on the Harvey Weinstein sexual-misconduct scandal.

“The lunatics have taken over the insane asylum when respected business entities such as yourself ask guys that like to stick their tongues out,” Simmons answered, “what I think of Harvey Weinstein.”

“Okay, I’m a powerful and attractive man, and what I’m about to say is deadly serious,” he continued. “Men are jackasses. From the time we’re young we have testosterone. I’m not validating it or defending it.”

Maybe not, but within minutes he was demonstrating it. According to a knowledgeable Fox News source, Simmons showed up on the 14th floor to do a book-plugging interview with FoxNews.com’s entertainment section, but instead barged in on a staff meeting uninvited.

“Hey chicks, sue me!” he shouted, and then pulled open his red velvet shirt to reveal his chest and belly, according to the source. Then he starting telling Michael Jackson pedophilia jokes, and then bopped two employees on the head with his book, making derisive comments about their comparative intelligence according to the sound their heads made when struck.

“It was pretty severe,” the source said.

After Simmons’s misconduct was reported to a supervisor, and then to human-resources executive Kevin Lord, the Kiss frontman was permanently banned from the building and will no longer be permitted on any Fox News or Fox Business Network programming.

His interview with FoxNews.com, meanwhile, was taped but will not be published.

Simmons did not immediately respond to a request for comment
www.thedailybeast.com
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2017 13:43 GMT
#185213
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 14:26:12
November 17 2017 14:25 GMT
#185214
Thank God Hatch is retiring. Can't even tell if it's straight senility or brazen lying at this point.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 17 2017 14:32 GMT
#185215


The long-term political impact is minimal for resignation. Wisconsin governor is a Democrat and simply appoints another Dem to finish his term.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 17 2017 14:37 GMT
#185216
On November 17 2017 23:32 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/931188683226611713

The long-term political impact is minimal for resignation. Wisconsin governor is a Democrat and simply appoints another Dem to finish his term.


If it is true, I have seen a lot of tweets claiming things that are just lies.
How many times have we seen that Tillerson was going to resign
Something witty
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 17 2017 14:48 GMT
#185217
On November 17 2017 23:32 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/931188683226611713

The long-term political impact is minimal for resignation. Wisconsin governor is a Democrat and simply appoints another Dem to finish his term.


Hey.

HEY.

It's Minnesota.

Dick.

We're not Wisconsin.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-17 14:56:25
November 17 2017 14:56 GMT
#185218
On November 17 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Wonder what was in the water in 2007? All I want to know is who drove up 2010's total. That must have been something pretty damn bad.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/931278604897542145


My money would be on Foley or the post-Foley aftermath of congressional pages realizing they could shut these assholes down (he resigned in September '06).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 17 2017 14:56 GMT
#185219
On November 17 2017 23:48 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2017 23:32 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/931188683226611713

The long-term political impact is minimal for resignation. Wisconsin governor is a Democrat and simply appoints another Dem to finish his term.


Hey.

HEY.

It's Minnesota.

Dick.

We're not Wisconsin.

It is deeply offensive that he insinuated you folks would elect Scott walker.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 17 2017 14:58 GMT
#185220
Senior White House adviser and son-in-law to the president, Jared Kushner, failed to hand over to Senate investigators emails concerning contacts with WikiLeaks and a "Russian backdoor overture," according to a letter sent by two senior lawmakers.

The letter, released Thursday by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, says Kushner failed to turn over "September 2016 email communications to Mr. Kushner concerning WikiLeaks" and other emails pertaining to a "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite."

The lawmakers said they were seeking the documents that were "known to exist" from other witnesses in the investigation.

"We appreciate your voluntary cooperation with the committee's investigation, but the production appears to have been incomplete," the letter, sent to Kushner's attorney, Abbe Lowell, said. "It appears your search may have overlooked several documents."

Those overlooked documents also included unspecified phone records, according to The New York Times.

In a statement on Thursday, Lowell said he and his client had provided the committee "with all relevant documents that had to do with Mr. Kushner's calls, contacts or meetings with Russians during the campaign and transition, which was the request."

"We also informed the committee we will be open to responding to any additional requests and that we will continue to work with White House Counsel for any responsive documents from after the inauguration," Lowell said.

The WikiLeaks emails from September 2016 would coincide with Twitter messages exchanged between the radical transparency organization and Donald Trump Jr., the president's eldest son. U.S. officials believe that WikiLeaks acted as a conduit for emails from the Democratic National Committee and senior Democratic officials that were hacked by Russia.

The Trump administration has repeatedly denied collusion with Russia to influence the outcome of the 2016 elections. And less than a month before the election, then-candidate Mike Pence, during an interview on Fox News, specifically denied any contacts between WikiLeaks and the campaign.

The revelation of undisclosed emails comes on the same day that The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the matter, reports that special counsel Robert Mueller issued a subpoena last month "requesting Russia-related documents from more than a dozen top officials."


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