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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 13 2017 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: ..... Tomorrow: We don’t want to take guns away from anybody! Mental health issues are a problem affecting many Americans, don’t trivialize them online and in film! Meanwhile, government can’t even add people to existing databases accessed during background checks. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
In the wake of the bombshell allegations against Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore that he pursued relationships with teenage girls when he was in his 30s and he initiated sexual contact with a 14-year-old at that time, one of the talking points that has emerged from conservatives has been to question the timing and credibility of the accusations. One of these ways has been for skeptics to wonder aloud why the women waited 40 years to come forward. During an appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press this morning, Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) used this tactic while also stating that many of his Republican colleagues would prefer for Moore to step aside in the Senate race. He stated that he’d also prefer a write-in candidate. Speaking to host Chuck Todd, Toomey would commit to whether or not the Senate should refuse to seat Moore if he wins the election next month. “We’ll have to wrestle with that if and when the time comes,” the Pennsylvania lawmaker responded. “A lot has to happen before that.” When pressed that he wouldn’t rule out that option, Toomey stated that he wasn’t going to “project” over a “hypothetical.” Todd went on to push Toomey on why there are many folks that seem to be latching onto political ideology over what “is clearly morally repugnant.” “I’m not sure who you are referring to,” Toomey noted. “I think Republicans have addressed this in a thoughtful and responsible way. We have a 40-year-old allegation that is unprovable probably. Despite that many of us are suggesting that the preponderance of the evidence seems to support the accuser and therefore many of us would prefer for Roy to step aside. I think that is a responsible way to approach this.” Todd wanted to know why Toomey brought up that the accusations were 40 years old, causing Toomey to provide the following response: “It matters because it just raises the question about the credibility. I have said I don’t find the denial terribly credible but when someone waits 40 years before they make an accusation that raises a question itself. It is probably not knowable but there seems to be enough there that it’s very disturbing.” Moore has publicly called the allegations “fake news” while claiming that it is all part of a political conspiracy to take down his campaign. Watch the clip above, via NBC News. www.mediaite.com Also, Moore is down 4 points in new poll http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Alabama-Senate-Executive-Summary-General-Election-Poll-2.pdf | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 13 2017 02:52 a_flayer wrote: Yeah, and a number of White Christians do not trust Muslims, in the collective sense. But that's racist and xenophobic =) https://i.imgur.com/WwC8lmq.jpg Large sections of Muslims and the Islamic faith aren't constantly oppressing white people in the US. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:05 Gahlo wrote: Large sections of Muslims and the Islamic faith aren't constantly oppressing white people in the US. And because of this, someone should raise their black kid not to trust white people? Blacks get oppressed? Check, we're cool there. The giant leap is "and so I should poison my child's childhood" | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:05 Gahlo wrote: Large sections of Muslims and the Islamic faith aren't constantly oppressing white people in the US. Tell that to the white people who feel oppressed. (I know, its stupid, but people in general are stupid) | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On November 13 2017 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: ..... https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/929607665033949184 haha jesus christ. At first I thought the 'this guy was a registered democrat' part was like, okay this guy has issues, but then the guy describes the death of his wife and I feel like he's partially excited because it happened in the form of an explosion and partially sad because it made them cancel his tv show. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:05 Gahlo wrote: Large sections of Muslims and the Islamic faith aren't constantly oppressing white people in the US. The facts back up my fantasies of white supremacists run wild! We distrust and hate others based on the facts, but the vile others are just x-phobes! And that’s how you got Trump. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:05 Gahlo wrote: Large sections of Muslims and the Islamic faith aren't constantly oppressing white people in the US. It is not justified to say black people and white people can't be friends. That's fucking ridiculous, and anyone actually teaching their children this is doing something horrible to them. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:15 Danglars wrote: The facts back up my fantasies of white supremacists run wild! We distrust and hate others based on the facts, but the vile others are just x-phobes! And that’s how you got Trump. All of this, but unironically | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:16 a_flayer wrote: It is not justified to say black people and white people can't be friends. That's fucking ridiculous, and anyone actually teaching their children this is doing something horrible to them. I never said they couldn't. Matter of fact is that people try to filter who their children interact with. If I was a black father in an area where I knew there was a considerable amount of racism against black people in the area, I'd take a long look at any white kids my children would have. I'd want to get to know their parents, who their other friends are, etc. It's a far more reasonable concern than "Is my son's friend who passes as white, and you'd never assume he was Mulslim until you heard his name was Husam, part of ISIS?" | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I'm not really sure there can be, or should be, anything done about this. Truth is that that's just a staple of American culture, that the right to stock a deadly armory is an inalienable right even if it is far more likely to kill you than protect you from any threat. I haven't really seen attempts at regulating such weapons to be in any way effective. Maybe it's something that should be treated the same as driving: you can't really stop people from doing it no matter what the law says, so if people will do it anyways, educate them about how to do it safely. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: I feel the article consistently doesn't argue against white people but against Trump voters and then instead it generalized the points made (you can't be my friend if you support policies that hurt me this strongly) to apply to all white even though only 58% of white people who voted voted Trump. I haven't seen breakdowns of non-voters by race but with 40% or whatever abstaining it seems a given that most people didn't actually vote for him. Maybe he was including non-voters into the fray also though (they are the bystanders who just don't care, also something he can't accept) and then I guess only 20-25% of total whites are acceptable to him. The article, as well as many others, take the position that even the non-participating whites are to blame because they are willing to partake in all the effects of racism etc without fixing it. By not using their positions to help blacks, they are hurting blacks and losing the "trust" of blacks. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I’m glad we have such unabashed swallowers of anti-white bigotry. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12620 Posts
On November 13 2017 03:36 Danglars wrote: I’m glad we have such unabashed swallowers of anti-white bigotry. Using this strong language in this context is making it lose its meaning, I fear you're just pushing me further left. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I can sort of see why hacks like Coates are so popular. It's an appealing and enticing narrative to look at a few statistics out of context, to coat it in some sugary verbosity, and to conclude that smart people say that it's white racists that are to blame for everything. Never mind the fact that the other side was playing a mad game of identity politics, with the BLM crowd trying to pin the blame on all white people for anything and everything they could come up with, with stupid reporters talking of a "big beautiful brown wall" that would keep Trump out of office, with some fantastic "pigs in a blanket" protests quite blatantly calling for cop killing (and never even stepping back until someone actually decided to go for it), all the while the folk who bought into the narrative standing by like those trumped-up "white moderates" and letting it all happen because they thought it'd benefit their cause. If anything, it seems like the side that loves crying racism is more intent on trying to stir up racial tensions because it seems like it'll be beneficial somehow. No one doubts that racists such as the KKK and successors exist - maybe folk are largely unaware of the relevance they have, but start blaming everyone for all being racist and that's a bridge too far. Many are sympathetic to the problem of police killing black kids - but when rather than addressing the problem you want to harp on and on about how those evil white moderates who do want to help aren't doing enough, don't expect to get any results out of it. Start supporting widespread media-based blaming of all white people for stuff they don't agree with, and the reality is that you're instigating racial tensions because you can't help but paint too broadly. Ad infinitum. This shitty attitude needs to die. Far more people can sympathize with issues that affect people upon racial lines than can sympathize with a "every one of you is an evil racist because you're white" stupidity. Identity politics has proven to be more effective for stirring up racial tensions that would not otherwise exist than for actually dealing with the issues that they claim to care about. But I'm not sure it's a lesson that anyone is learning. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KwarK
United States44440 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
On November 13 2017 04:35 Plansix wrote: White people are not all racist bigots. But 60 years after the civil rights movement, the same problem still applies that white people have to be pushed very far to give a shit about racism. Flint still doesn't have drinking water and no one gives a fuck. The same people who want to "have open discussions about black/Hispanic/Muslim culture" don't want to be exposed to a discussions like the ones in the article. White people have to be pushed very far to give a shit about racism. Unless, of course, they don't. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On November 13 2017 01:46 zlefin wrote: what alternatives are there to an estate tax that accomplish the purpose of limiting wealth concentration, and how well do they work (if they've been tested in practice)? Tax policy and monetary policy would be the two big levers that come to mind. For tax, there are estate taxes, but also progressive taxation in general. For monetary, low rates + inflation (low real rates) would erode the value of current assets over time. The US did this post- WW2 to help get out of all the war debt. Short run could see asset values rise as rates fall... would need to give it time to play out. The maths are a balancing act. You'd want plenty of saving / investment in the economy (need positive rates of return) and yet have the marginal saver at the top end of the wealth spectrum getting squeezed out more so than other savers. Probably need incentives for low/middle income savers to save more and more lax bankruptcy laws for low/middle income borrowers (boost savings) in addition to taxes discouraging saving at the top end. | ||
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