US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8957

On October 10 2017 05:38 GreenHorizons wrote:


This doesn't just sound bigoted, it sounds remarkably stupid.

What the hell are you even celebrating?

On October 10 2017 05:01 Danglars wrote:

LA city council voted to rename it. Proves they can view the totality of indigenous peoples despite cannibalism, human sacrifice, slavery, and mutilation, but won’t extend the same treatment to Columbus. Thankfully, polling shows (Marist) that Americans aren’t as swayed as certain leadership councils.

Happy Columbus Day, everyone.

On October 10 2017 05:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:


They're not calling it Aztec day or whatever? If it was 'discovery of america day' maybe you'd have a point, but seeing how Columbus actually was, having 'Columbus day' is kinda like Germany having a 'Hitler day', just with Hitler happening 500 years ago, the jews becoming virtually extinct and entirely devoid of worldly influence, and people somehow being totally fine with it until this point in time. If that was the case, I'd be in the 'hey, maybe jewish remembrance day is more appropriate than celebrating the guy who started the genocide' camp.

On October 10 2017 06:28 ChristianS wrote:

I know you like to ruffle liberals' feathers so I'm sure this post is meant to be ironic or something, but do you really think

a) considering an entire (set of) civilization(s) to be worth celebrating despite some bad social beliefs and practices of some of their populations during their centuries of existence, and

b) considering a man to be worth celebrating despite some racist and genocidal beliefs and practice during his lifetime

are analogous? To me, that logic would suggest that celebrating the German people is only acceptable if it's also acceptable to celebrate Hitler, which I'm sure you don't believe. But if not, I'm curious how you draw the distinction.

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Republican Rep. Marsha Blackburn’s Senate campaign announcement ad has been blocked by Twitter over a statement the abortion rights opponent makes about the sale of fetal tissue for medical research.

Blackburn, who is running for the seat being opened by the retirement of Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, boasts in the ad that she “stopped the sale of baby body parts.” A Twitter representative told the candidate’s vendors on Monday that the statement was “deemed an inflammatory statement that is likely to evoke a strong negative reaction:

Twitter said the Blackburn campaign would be allowed to run the rest of the video if the flagged statement is omitted. While the decision keeps Blackburn from paying to promote the video on Twitter, it doesn’t keep it from being linked from YouTube and other platforms.

Blackburn took to Twitter to urge supporters to re-post her video and join her in “standing up to Silicon Valley.”

Blackburn was the chair of a Republican-run House panel created to investigate Planned Parenthood and the world of fetal tissue research that earlier this year urged Congress to halt federal payments to the women’s health organization. Democrats said the GOP probe had unearthed no wrongdoing and wasted taxpayers’ money in an abusive investigation.

On October 10 2017 06:54 RealityIsKing wrote:
This history revisionism got to stop. It's detrimental to the society as a whole.

On October 10 2017 06:54 RealityIsKing wrote:
This history revisionism got to stop. It's detrimental to the society as a whole.

On October 10 2017 07:03 Uldridge wrote:
But history isn't an unnuanced story.. So revisionism, or rather appealing to different perspectives which can be equally correct, isn't that much of an issue imo.

On October 10 2017 07:10 Falling wrote:
Well, much less the person, but it is a significant event in history- the meeting of two worlds. I joked before about Viking Day, but while they arrived earlier, it's not as significant as it never turned into much. The Viking colony quickly faded and there was no follow up. Columbus is a landmark as an event because there was a permanent change from very little interaction between the continents to an interconnectedness that has yet to cease.

We could rename it a few things so it commemorates the event rather than a deeply flawed person, but I don't think Indigenous Day captures the significance of the change. We could have an Indigenous Day as well, but it's a different idea. I think to celebrate a collection of ethnicities vs events that landmark a change... is somewhat similar in the same way there was rumblings over Canada's 150th celebration. True, there were people in these lands for thousands of years prior to 1867. Nonetheless, July 1, 1867 acknowledges that something occurred that had not occurred before- a polity appeared that didn't exist before. We can celebrate static history- the people, the ethnic groups. But I also think it's worth acknowledging dynamic history- unique events that shaped and changed what came after.

On October 10 2017 07:10 Falling wrote:
Well, much less the person, but it is a significant event in history- the meeting of two worlds. I joked before about Viking Day, but while they arrived earlier, it's not as significant as it never turned into much. The Viking colony quickly faded and there was no follow up. Columbus is a landmark as an event because there was a permanent change from very little interaction between the continents to an interconnectedness that has yet to cease.

We could rename it a few things so it commemorates the event rather than a deeply flawed person, but I don't think Indigenous Day captures the significance of the change. We could have an Indigenous Day as well, but it's a different idea. I think to celebrate a collection of ethnicities vs events that landmark a change... is somewhat similar in the same way there was rumblings over Canada's 150th celebration. True, there were people in these lands for thousands of years prior to 1867. Nonetheless, July 1, 1867 acknowledges that something occurred that had not occurred before- a polity appeared that didn't exist before. We can celebrate static history- the people, the ethnic groups. But I also think it's worth acknowledging dynamic history- unique events that shaped and changed what came after.

On October 10 2017 07:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
columbus was a heinous and incompetent shitbag while he was governor of the west indies, even by the standards of his time. sure he managed to sail over to america (which he didn't know he was america, even), but that's a pretty tiny piece of his biography.

i'm fine with celebrating, commemorating, acknowledging, memorializing the event which was an important milestone milestone in human history, but there's a lot of baggage there we as a society don't like to talk about.

On October 10 2017 07:32 RealityIsKing wrote:

If the society dosent like talking about it, don't force it down their throats.

It creates fissure within the fabric of our community.