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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 18:10:38
October 09 2017 18:09 GMT
#179101
Congress should just ignore his demands and just override any veto if he wants to play that way. Pretty sure that his ego couldn't handle getting overridden by congress and he would have a meltdown.
Never Knows Best.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 09 2017 18:37 GMT
#179102
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 18:47 GMT
#179103
Well that is the nuanced take I would except from well known conservative website. It’s been a while since I’ve seen the whole natives were cannibals angle outside of Hollywood.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18854 Posts
October 09 2017 18:49 GMT
#179104
Just remember that because that caricatured individual could be living in a different, separate ethnostate from whites, the idea that we should partition our world off into societies delineated by skin color isn't racist.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 18:57 GMT
#179105
It isn’t skin color, its culture. Please remember that the talking points must avoid talking about race, but instead talk about culture. That way any criticism of the ethnostate being racist is easy to deflect. Though calling it an ethnostate should really raise some flags, but whatever. The important part is that its culture, that would just happen to end up dividing up the country based on skin color.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 09 2017 20:01 GMT
#179106
On October 10 2017 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/917430691092226048

LA city council voted to rename it. Proves they can view the totality of indigenous peoples despite cannibalism, human sacrifice, slavery, and mutilation, but won’t extend the same treatment to Columbus. Thankfully, polling shows (Marist) that Americans aren’t as swayed as certain leadership councils.

Happy Columbus Day, everyone.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 09 2017 20:07 GMT
#179107
columbus day is a dumb and unnecessary holiday; I still favor removing it, or replacing it with something else; as per the prior discussion on the topic weeks ago.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 20:18:18
October 09 2017 20:14 GMT
#179108
Also we stole all that land from the indigenous peoples, but have zero holidays celebrating them or the contributions to the US. But we do celebrate a lot of folks that murdered or oppressed them. Columbus day is dumb.
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 20:22:33
October 09 2017 20:17 GMT
#179109
slow day in the politics thread huh? as with the flag, a holiday celebrating someone who may or may not have done anything of value is just something i can’t be stirred to care about.

i will say having an indigenous people’s day sounds pretty great. if it needs to replace an existing holiday, i would probably pick columbus day too. it’s probably the most worthless one we have. but like i said, having any strong feelings on columbus dAy just isn’t gonna happen for me.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 20:19 GMT
#179110
The city of LA is destroying US history. Which is to say they are celebrating a different part of North American history, rather than a less than beloved explorer. So clearly, it is time for anger and outrage.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
October 09 2017 20:21 GMT
#179111
We should at least credit the white mans discovery of north america to the unabashed rapists thieves and pillagers that we've named a football team after because we're totaly okay with them now that time has passed.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35170 Posts
October 09 2017 20:22 GMT
#179112
If you're going to be eurocentric about it, at least call it Leif Erikson day.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 20:30 GMT
#179113
To be honest, Leif Erikson is like 30 times more impressive that Columbus. The tech of the 1,000s was not suited with blue sea travel. Its impressive that they made it there and even more impress that they made it back.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 09 2017 20:36 GMT
#179114
It of course does help that the travel routes up north are shorter with more frequent landfalls.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23657 Posts
October 09 2017 20:38 GMT
#179115
On October 10 2017 05:01 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2017 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/917430691092226048

LA city council voted to rename it. Proves they can view the totality of indigenous peoples despite cannibalism, human sacrifice, slavery, and mutilation, but won’t extend the same treatment to Columbus. Thankfully, polling shows (Marist) that Americans aren’t as swayed as certain leadership councils.

Happy Columbus Day, everyone.


This doesn't just sound bigoted, it sounds remarkably stupid.

What the hell are you even celebrating?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 09 2017 20:42 GMT
#179116
Calm before the storm? and people thought Hillary was a hawk.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Monday urged military leaders "to be ready" with military options for President Donald Trump to deal with North Korea should diplomacy fail -- after Trump reprimanded his top brass last week for not providing him contingency plans quickly enough.

"Right now it is a diplomatically led, economic sanctions-buttressed effort to try to turn North Korea off this path,” Mattis said following a speech at the annual convention of the Association of the United States Army in Washington. “Now, what does the future hold? Neither you nor I can say, so there’s one thing the U.S. Army can do, and that is we have got to be ready to ensure that we have military options that our president can employ if needed.”

On Thursday, Trump told Mattis and his top generals in a White House meeting that he wanted military options at a “much faster pace.” The president subsequently suggested to reporters that “maybe it’s the calm before the storm," sparking widespread speculation that the cryptic reference was to Korea war plans.

Before Mattis' remarks Monday, Trump tweeted, “Our country has been unsuccessfully dealing with North Korea for 25 years, giving billions of dollars & getting nothing. Policy didn't work!”

However, Mattis, speaking to audience of soldiers of all ranks and defense industry executives, highlighted the continuing diplomatic focus of the international community to turn back North Korea's outlawed missile and nuclear programs.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/09/jim-mattis-north-korea-military-ready-243596?cmpid=sf
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 20:48 GMT
#179117
Only for people that have never read history or didn’t listen when civics class taught them why the President isn’t allowed to declare wars.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 09 2017 20:48 GMT
#179118
The frightened dog barks loudest. Kim was right.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28743 Posts
October 09 2017 20:49 GMT
#179119
On October 10 2017 05:01 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2017 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/917430691092226048

LA city council voted to rename it. Proves they can view the totality of indigenous peoples despite cannibalism, human sacrifice, slavery, and mutilation, but won’t extend the same treatment to Columbus. Thankfully, polling shows (Marist) that Americans aren’t as swayed as certain leadership councils.

Happy Columbus Day, everyone.


They're not calling it Aztec day or whatever? If it was 'discovery of america day' maybe you'd have a point, but seeing how Columbus actually was, having 'Columbus day' is kinda like Germany having a 'Hitler day', just with Hitler happening 500 years ago, the jews becoming virtually extinct and entirely devoid of worldly influence, and people somehow being totally fine with it until this point in time. If that was the case, I'd be in the 'hey, maybe jewish remembrance day is more appropriate than celebrating the guy who started the genocide' camp.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 09 2017 20:56 GMT
#179120
Hitler is a bit much. But I am sure there is an UK or French monarch that would be very weird to celebrate. Like Henry the 8th day. He did some cool stuff, but also executed a lot of people just because. That isn’t someone you lionize.
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