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On October 09 2017 07:45 KwarK wrote:
It's still not entirely clear what the fuck the right think should have been done, if not the Iran deal. The sanction coalition was over, Iran was getting everything.
The deal was good, good for America, good for the world, good policy generally.
Bomb the country into the ground and create another generation ready to die to hurt America.
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On October 09 2017 07:45 KwarK wrote:
It's still not entirely clear what the fuck the right think should have been done, if not the Iran deal. The sanction coalition was over, Iran was getting everything.
The deal was good, good for America, good for the world, good policy generally.
Even if the Iran deal is bad, I'd not trust Trump to do it better. It's his past history...
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On October 09 2017 07:45 KwarK wrote:
It's still not entirely clear what the fuck the right think should have been done, if not the Iran deal. The sanction coalition was over, Iran was getting everything.
The deal was good, good for America, good for the world, good policy generally.
You know who loses? The MIC. They don't like losing.
On October 09 2017 07:52 sc-darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 07:45 KwarK wrote:
It's still not entirely clear what the fuck the right think should have been done, if not the Iran deal. The sanction coalition was over, Iran was getting everything.
The deal was good, good for America, good for the world, good policy generally. Even if the Iran deal is bad, I'd not trust Trump to do it better. It's his past history...
I sincerely doubt Trump has an understanding of the Iran deal that would get him a passing grade if he had to do a 6th grade project on it.
He's shown absolutely nothing that would indicate otherwise.
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On October 09 2017 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 07:52 sc-darkness wrote:On October 09 2017 07:45 KwarK wrote:
It's still not entirely clear what the fuck the right think should have been done, if not the Iran deal. The sanction coalition was over, Iran was getting everything.
The deal was good, good for America, good for the world, good policy generally. Even if the Iran deal is bad, I'd not trust Trump to do it better. It's his past history... I sincerely doubt Trump has an understanding of the Iran deal that would get him a passing grade if he had to do a 6th grade project on it. He's shown absolutely nothing that would indicate otherwise.
Yeah, but we would get to hear Kelly's attempt to explain Iran second hand from Trump, and that's worth something.
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Pence pulling off the most by the book example of virtue signaling is deeply satisfying to me.
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What baffles me most is the part where they tell the press to stay in the van.
Surely you want to try and make this as natural as possible? Instead he puts up a flashing neon sign that its pre-planned.
Is everyone just incompetent?
(I know, I know. They don't care that we know. The sheeple for who this stunt is will buy the story and explain away the inconvenient fact that it was all staged)
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On October 09 2017 09:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Pence pulling off the most by the book example of virtue signaling is deeply satisfying to me.
Trump taking credit for telling him to do it makes it even better.
At least they have their priorities right. Shame "son's of bitches" respectfully protesting that the US live up to it's promises. Ignore the "very nice people" imitating the KKK where one of their members murdered someone while celebrating an enemy flag.
Hard to imagine anyone is still having a hard time seeing through this transparent white supremacy.
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On October 09 2017 01:37 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 01:16 pmh wrote:
Trump is just bluffing in the korea situation,not the first time.
The only thing that will work obviously is to remove kim from power, This is just a meaningless aphorism unless you provide the actual way to achieve this goal. What are the steps to "remove kim from power" as you put it? Attacking Korea head on is pointless, because of their Nuclear capability, and they don't have a functional democracy or public discourse which can be influenced to push Kim out of power. In such a scenario, how does this obvious solution of yours work?
I didn't mean that I see it as the solution to remove kim from power,i meant it is what trump sees as the only thing that will work. Sry for being not clear on this.
There are several ways one could try to achieve this and I think none of them will work or give a satisfying result.
Taking out kim directly is not impossible most likely. Either from the outside or from the inside.
The NK military supported by china will then take control of the country untill there is a successor that is acceptable to china. If someone in the army who has not the support of china somehow manages to take control then china will invade. It will bring usa china relations to an absolute low,probably a lot of sanctions back and forth and an acceleration of chinas military build up in south east asia. I don't think the usa can afford to do this.
Then they can try to take out kim indirectly,by pressuring china so much that they will stop all support for his regime.
Regime will collapse,even worse situation for the ordinary north Korean people and military supported by china will take control. But china has absolutely nothing to gain from this and everything to lose. China does not want a united korea under American influence. They hold all the trumps and there is pretty much nothing that the usa can use to pressure china.
That's why I think that trump is bluffing. he really can not do anything.
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It's about time a Republican just said it.
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Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington.
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On October 09 2017 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington.
You ever think there will come a time when they try to take Trump down with them?
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On October 09 2017 10:59 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington. You ever think there will come a time when they try to take Trump down with them?
Some are already trying. It won't work though. The ideological and political bankruptcy of people like Corker, Ryan, and McConnell has been laid bear for all to see.
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On October 09 2017 11:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 10:59 Slaughter wrote:On October 09 2017 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington. You ever think there will come a time when they try to take Trump down with them? Some are already trying. It won't work though. The ideological and political bankruptcy of people like Corker, Ryan, and McConnell has been laid bear for all to see.
Are there any non-bankrupt Repubs?
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On October 09 2017 11:14 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 11:08 xDaunt wrote:On October 09 2017 10:59 Slaughter wrote:On October 09 2017 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington. You ever think there will come a time when they try to take Trump down with them? Some are already trying. It won't work though. The ideological and political bankruptcy of people like Corker, Ryan, and McConnell has been laid bear for all to see. Are there any non-bankrupt Repubs?
And why doesn't Trump count as "intellectually bankrupt"?
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To bad the people trying to take down the Republicans are just as worthless. But that is what happens when you are the part of "No" and cultural outrage for 16 years. When you get power, you say "no" to yourself.
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On October 09 2017 11:14 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 11:08 xDaunt wrote:On October 09 2017 10:59 Slaughter wrote:On October 09 2017 10:53 xDaunt wrote:
Congressional republicans still haven't learned that they are the most despised and expendable people in Washington. You ever think there will come a time when they try to take Trump down with them? Some are already trying. It won't work though. The ideological and political bankruptcy of people like Corker, Ryan, and McConnell has been laid bear for all to see. Are there any non-bankrupt Repubs?
Some "core beliefs" of the republican handbook are based on the needs and wishes of the people who donate a lot of money to them and their campaigns. I don't know what xDaunt's answer would be but I know what the logical answer is.
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I mean thats true but hes never going to generate a legislative base thats will allow him to do anything as president in any time frame that he'll be president. All hes going to do end up with is a party whos leaders don't have any loyalty to him and know that hes going to be out of Washington before they will. They have nothing to fear from Trump and at this point have more to gain from opposing him then supporting him.
He just has no logic to his actions anymore and I'm not sure even he realizes how much of a joke hes going to be refereed to once he loses. Take your view of his politics out of the equation even and he has done the opposite of almost any logical decision that one could make if they were going to be a leader of a country.
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On October 09 2017 11:32 Sermokala wrote:
I mean thats true but hes never going to generate a legislative base thats will allow him to do anything as president in any time frame that he'll be president. All hes going to do end up with is a party whos leaders don't have any loyalty to him and know that hes going to be out of Washington before they will. They have nothing to fear from Trump and at this point have more to gain from opposing him then supporting him.
He just has no logic to his actions anymore and I'm not sure even he realizes how much of a joke hes going to be refereed to once he loses. Take your view of his politics out of the equation even and he has done the opposite of almost any logical decision that one could make if they were going to be a leader of a country.
Donald Trump has been consistent as hell, its just that people refused to accept that such a person could exist. I don't blame them, he isn't just pathetic but also completely garbage in every way possible. But honestly, its been clear since 2015 that he's not really a leader or a businessman in the way Fox News was trying to portray him as, he hasn't really run anything larger than a small business. Dunno why American didn't stop for a second and consider these things before pulling out the "successful businessman" justification but there you go.
Using the influence his dad gave him, the only thing he knows is to use his money and social stature as muscle. Its a problem here since he can't really use that money to buy lawyers to bankrupt senators, he can't fire senators outside of trying to primary them (easier said than done) and he can't really stiff politicians since they're the ones who hold the cards when it comes to passing legislation. All it does is just piss everyone off and I think a lot of politicians are starting to see Trump as a toothless tiger.
I mean, why would Murkowski give a shit if Trump threatens her? Her re-election is a while off and she won a write-in election. You don't give Alaska money? That's all on you Trump.
That and everything he does is to feed his ego. He has to win, whether its having larger crowds than Obama or beating North Korea in a pissing match. Its well established that he's narcissist who spent his whole life trying to get the rich and powerful in New York to love him. Hell, the reports that claim he privately gets along with Pelosi/Schumer better than Ryan/McConnell in private meetings are somewhat believable because Ryan/McConnell can't give him the connections that Schumer can give him. What can some pollys from Wisconsin and Kentucky give to an East Coast elite with a Hollywood Star like Trump? Absolutely nothing.
Perhaps the most dangerous thing about Donald Trump isn't that there is no logic to his actions. Its that he's completely logical and in most cases extremely predictable. You also know exactly what he's doing more than any other president ever, heck he basically repeats whatever Fox and Friends is talking about within hours.
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