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{CC}StealthBlue
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bigmetazltank
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On October 07 2017 21:03 Sermokala wrote: People give LL crap about being a russian plant xdaunt on giveing Chinese money to other conservative posters and my apparent lack of being conservative but I'm pretty sure at this point people should have caught into reality actually being a russian plant I'm not sure why you're trying to downplay or dismiss Russia's interaction with the US via social media. Saying that they're actively trying to tear the US apart with social media isn't like saying 9/11 was an inside job and jet fuel can't melt through steel beams. Its only this month that an American Antifa (left wing) twitter page got busted for being a Russian plant and numerous boycott NFL/athletes should kneel (left wing and right wing) twitter users got busted as Russia based accounts. That's not including the targeted ads intended to sow discontent with Americans of all political stripes. Keep in mind that this behaviour isn't anything new, its simply astroturfing turned up to 11. There have even been Samsung astroturfers on Teamliquid in the past, affinity_12 didn't contribute anything but praise everything Samsung, bash anything LG and post every little negative news about Japan whenever possible. The difference is that social media isn't like your local news website comment section or internet forum and those accounts don't have to be manned by actual people for it to have influence. In the past, astroturfing was mostly sandboxed with limited influence and reach. Something like Twitter or Facebook, with its millions of users, are far more influential especially if you want to prey on people's confirmation biases. There's a reason why the world outside the USA are mostly viewing Facebook/Twitter with a lot more trepidation. You've got a rapid increase in people believing complete garbage like vaccines cause autism, Sandy Hook is a hoax and Hillary Clinton runs a child prostitution ring underneath a pizza joint. None of these things are remotely credible yet Americans are getting sucked in hook line and sinker. All you have to do is spread doubt and that's easy to do when you can get a whole lot of bots to push a specific hashtag into your intended audience's curated content/ad/news. | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Over just one month of player, coach, and owner protests of the flag and National Anthem, the National Football League has gone from America's sport to the least liked of top professional and college sports, according to a new poll. From the end of August to the end of September, the favorable ratings for the NFL have dropped from 57 percent to 44 percent, and it has the highest unfavorable rating – 40 percent – of any big sport, according to the Winston Group survey provided exclusively to Secrets. Worse for football, which was already seeing lower TV ratings and empty stadium seats, the month of protests and complaints about them from President Trump drove core fans, men 34-54, away, the most significant indicator that NFL brass aren't in touch with their base. .... According to the poll analysis, "more critically for the NFL, the fall off in favorables occurred among important audiences. Among males, NFL favorables fell 23 percent, going from 68 percent to 45 percent. In looking at a more specific audience, males 34-54, NFL favorables fell 31 percent, going from 73 percent to 42 percent. Among this group the NFL has a surprising negative image, as it went from +54 percent in August to -5 percent in September." Source. And it's affecting ticket prices as well: NFL ticket prices have plummeted in the wake of the uproar over the national anthem protests, dropping for the first time this year below the 2016 season’s prices. An analysis released Friday by CNBC found that ticket prices during the first three games of the 2017 season enjoyed a 20-40 percent increase over last year, but then skidded in Week 4 and actually dropped by 2 percent in Week 5. The timing coincides with the uproar following President Trump’s criticism of the protests on Sept. 22, which prompted nearly 200 players to sit or take a knee during the national anthem in the Sept. 24-25 games in Week 3. “After the president’s comments and NFL player reactions, Week 4 saw only a 5 percent increase, and now we’re seeing an outright decline. So that’s a bad direction,” said CNBC’s Eric Chemi. Source. | ||
zlefin
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On October 08 2017 05:26 xDaunt wrote: As predicted.... Source. And it's affecting ticket prices as well: Source. Football, the last bastion of the white man. Is this one of these safe spaces people talk about? | ||
Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
the poll's results arn't even publicly accessible. Also the CEO(?) did statistics for the heritage foundation. Certain to get a sound result then. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 08 2017 05:26 xDaunt wrote: As predicted.... Source. And it's affecting ticket prices as well: Source. Don't measure the NFL in terms of viewership or approval ratings. Instead, look at how the nation's movers and shakers respond to their clear support for their player's right to protest however they want whenever they want. It had nearly unanimous approval of experts, policymakers, and cultural critics in this nation's power centers. They've taken the sound, high road and if the country can't come around, it simply proves the racist attitude of this nation. It's time Americans weren't able to watch sports as a break to the outright killings and civil rights violations of people of color. Like MLK and abolitionists of the past, white supremacists were made to pay the price for their indifference. Now, the second civil rights era begins in earnest as institutions which aren't transparently white-biased suffer a decline as racists turn off their sets and hide. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23244 Posts
On October 08 2017 05:46 Danglars wrote: Don't measure the NFL in terms of viewership or approval ratings. Instead, look at how the nation's movers and shakers respond to their clear support for their player's right to protest however they want whenever they want. It had nearly unanimous approval of experts, policymakers, and cultural critics in this nation's power centers. They've taken the sound, high road and if the country can't come around, it simply proves the racist attitude of this nation. It's time Americans weren't able to watch sports as a break to the outright killings and civil rights violations of people of color. Like MLK and abolitionists of the past, white supremacists were made to pay the price for their indifference. Now, the second civil rights era begins in earnest as institutions which aren't transparently white-biased suffer a decline as racists turn off their sets and hide. "Dance negro, Dance! I have no time to hear of your plight, you are the escape from mine" Like some people need to realize how racist what they are saying actually is. If people interrupting your pre-game to bring attention to the systemic and widespread abuse of Americans constitutional rights upsets you more than the actual abuse, you are being a shitty human/American. That's all there is to it. | ||
Artisreal
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On October 08 2017 05:26 xDaunt wrote: As predicted.... Source. And it's affecting ticket prices as well: Source. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/09/nfl-ratings-trump-anthem-protests/541173/ So what was it last year, the election ? Ok.. what about the year before that. | ||
farvacola
United States18828 Posts
On October 08 2017 06:02 Artisreal wrote: Does anyone here actually watch the NFL or go to games? There's a fair bit of crossover between this thread and the NFL/College Football thread, believe it or not. I'm way more of a college ball guy myself, but I like to watch the Lions win and the Patriots lose when the occasion presents itself ![]() | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23244 Posts
On October 08 2017 06:03 Rebs wrote: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/09/nfl-ratings-trump-anthem-protests/541173/ So what was it last year, the election ? Ok.. what about the year before that. https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/912326665874833409 What's funny is that there are people protesting the NFL for several reasons, the flag thing just being the most recent. People were boycotting because of the CTE cover-up, domestic violence acceptability, Kaep being blackballed, and more. The poll shows people are mad, but the ratings show they still watch. Coincidentally polls are also showing the more people support the athlete's right to protest than Trump's dumbass comments. | ||
Nevuk
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Hurricane Nate sent residents in the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida scrambling to prepare this weekend, after the storm killed at least 21 people in Central America. Nate was expected to be a category 2 hurricane at landfall on the central Gulf Coast. States of emergency were declared in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. In addition to hurricane warnings and tropical storm warnings in place from Grand Isle, Louisiana to the Alabama-Florida border and also for metropolitan New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain, a tropical storm warning was issued in the Florida panhandle from east of the Okaloosa-Walton County line to Indian Pass. A tropical storm watch extended into north-east Georgia, including the Atlanta metro area. In Louisiana, Governor John Bel Edwards said people in the south-eastern part of the state should hunker down by 3pm. The storm’s eye was expected to make landfall about four hours later, he said, likely bringing limited rain but powerful storm surges and strong winds. The Louisiana national guard had mobilized 1,300 troops and positioned high-water vehicles, boats and even school buses to help with rescues from Baton Rouge to New Orleans. Edwards said he spoke to Donald Trump on Saturday morning. The president, who was at his golf club in Virginia before attending a fundraiser in South Carolina on Saturday night, approved an emergency declaration for a large part of Louisiana and ordered federal assistance. Trump has faced sustained criticism over his response to the aftermath of hurricanes Jose and Maria in Puerto Rico – sizeable storms which followed Harvey in Texas and Irma in Miami in a costly hurricane season. He said on Twitter: “Our great team at Fema [Federal Emergency Management Administration] is prepared for Hurricane Nate. Everyone in LA, MS, AL and FL please listen to your local authorities and be safe.” Florida governor Rick Scott said roughly 100,000 residents in evacuation zones should heed warnings, stick to their emergency plans and stay vigilant for updates from local officials. He said the hurricane could bring not just storm surges and strong winds but also tornadoes. On Saturday morning, the National Hurricane Center (NHC) in Miami said Nate’s top sustained winds had risen to 90mph and the core of the storm was about 180 miles south-south-east of the mouth of the Mississippi river. As of 10am CDT, Nate was accelerating to 26mph and headed north-north-west. Forecasters said hurricane-force winds extended out up to 35 miles, mainly to the east of the eye. On Friday, Governor Edwards urged Louisiana residents to take Nate seriously, saying the storm “has the potential to do a lot of damage”. “No one should take this storm lightly,” he said. “We do want people to be very, very cautious and to not take this storm for granted.” Forecasts indicated limited amounts of rain. That was good news for New Orleans, where the pumping system remains fragile after flash floods this summer led to revelations about personnel and equipment problems. Mayor Mitch Landrieu said on Friday 109 of the 120 pumps were functioning, which is 92% capacity. “We are ready for whatever Nate brings our way,” Landrieu said. He enacted a 7pm Saturday curfew for the city. Nate was forecast to dump 3in to 6in of rain with isolated totals of up to 10in. In Mississippi, Environmental Protection Agency officials were releasing 40m gallons of partially treated wastewater in advance of Nate’s arrival, in an attempt to prevent a worse leak from the closed Mississippi Phosphates plant in Pascagoula, a site with a history of damaging spills. Source | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23244 Posts
On October 08 2017 06:29 Nevuk wrote: This whole saga was really stupid : https://twitter.com/LisaBloom/status/916710877809737728 https://twitter.com/magi_jay/status/916713461803036672 So many of America's problems are minimized with the "Just give (Usually old&rich) white men more time to adjust to the fact that the country/world no longer considers their behavior acceptable" | ||
Gahlo
United States35153 Posts
On October 08 2017 05:38 Nyxisto wrote: Football, the last bastion of the white man. Is this one of these safe spaces people talk about? The last bastions of the white man are golf, now that Tiger is gone, and baseball. On October 08 2017 06:02 Artisreal wrote: Does anyone here actually watch the NFL or go to games? I watch a few games every weekend. I also generally have the sunday, monday, and thursday night games on and listen to them even if I don't care about who's playing. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 08 2017 08:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/916778895445254146 US President Donald Trump said on Saturday that "only one thing will work" to solve the North Korea crisis, although he did not explicitly specify what that would be. "Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid......" the president tweeted. "...hasn't worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, makings fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work!" he continued in a second tweet. North Korea has rapidly escalated its nuclear posturing over the summer. The rogue nation fired a missile over Japan a few weeks ago for the second time in two months. Last weekend, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told reporters during a visit to China that the US conflict with North Korea is "overheated" and that the first priority was to calm things down. He said that the US has a direct line of communication open with Pyongyang over North Korea's nuclear tests, adding: "We're not in a dark situation, a blackout." Trump diverged from the US State Department later that weekend and said Tillerson was "wasting his time" opening up talks with the North Korean regime. The president added that being nice to Kim "hasn't worked in 25 years, why would it work now? Clinton failed, Bush failed, and Obama failed. I won't fail." Trump ramped up his rhetoric against the regime when the United Nations General Assembly convened on September 23, saying that "rocket man" Kim Jong Un was on a "suicide mission," and that if he did not back down, the US would "have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea." Kim responded by saying he would "surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire." North Korea's foreign minister, Ri Yong Ho, also said that Trump's comments made the possibility of a missile attack on the US mainland "all the more inevitable." Ri also said that Trump had "declared a war" on North Korea through tweets he posted after the UN meeting and that the country could shoot down US strategic bombers even if they were not in its airspace, according to Reuters. Speaking to reporters in New York in September, Ri pointed to one of Trump's tweets that said Ri and Kim Jong Un "won't be around much longer" if the rogue nation continued its nuclear provocations as constituting a declaration of war. The White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, rejected North Korea's claim later that day."We've not declared war on North Korea," Sanders told reporters during the White House daily briefing. "Frankly, the suggestion of that is absurd." Business Inside (4h old) | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Maybe if he keeps rattling his saber hard enough he'll eventually provoke NK into an act of aggression to justify war. Never underestimate the diplomatic and military strategic genius Donald J. Trump when it comes to solving the long-standing problems of the Korean Peninsula. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 08 2017 06:02 Artisreal wrote: Does anyone here actually watch the NFL or go to games? I used to watch pretty religiously. Now I might put the Vikings game on, if I remember. But it's on mute, and I'm not paying any attention to it, just there in the background. Not really caring isn't a new thing, I'd just rather not sit there for 3 hours and watch, haven't for years now. I'd rather be playing a game of DotA, or doing stuff around the house. The only thing I watch now days is Twitch and the only sport I follow is DotA. I'll pop in to watch Evo or maybe a CSGO major for a bit, but DotA is the only thing I follow and the only team I fully follow is EG. Youtube and Twitch are 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of my media consumption. The only reason I even own a TV now is for chromecasting to or having a Vikings game as tertiary entertainment in the background. It's a completely dead medium for me. But my not caring about football has nothing to do with fake pearl clutching over a song. The sport will be dead in my lifetime anyway, there's literally no way to make it safe so I'm not concerned one way or the other. | ||
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