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On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests.
The antidote being white supremacy?
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On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy?
I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks.
Plus I think he have a black fiance.
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On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy?
This was very carefully coded. I was actually very confused at first after Clinton's alt right speech as before that I treated it as mainly a joke. Then I listened to the callers on the Diane Rehm show who called in about it and was kind of shocked when there were people who said "we are very glad you are giving us time to spread our message that america should be white and that whites are superior" and I was like, "wtfff???" Because before hearing from a self identifying member making crazy racist talk it is easy to dismiss the accusations against them as typical over reactions.
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On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks. Plus I think he have a black fiance.
Literally hangs out with Nazis and sold white supremacy through breibart. Literally sung karaoke with Richard Spencer while they did the Nazi salute. He is on email chains with white supremacist talking about selling their ideas to the public. His black fiancé is what is known as a useful idiot, a friendly black person white supremacist can hide behind to about being called racist.
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On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:
Plus I think he have a black fiance.
Excellent argument, sir.
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On October 07 2017 10:53 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? This was very carefully coded. I was actually very confused at first after Clinton's alt right speech as before that I treated it as mainly a joke. Then I listened to the callers on the Diane Rehm show who called in about it and was kind of shocked when there were people who said "we are very glad you are giving us time to spread our message that america should be white and that whites are superior" and I was like, "wtfff???" Because before hearing from a self identifying member making crazy racist talk it is easy to dismiss the accusations against them as typical over reactions.
There is a twilight zone episode where a Jew talks about they thought the Nazis were a joke and paid for it. That narrative is repeated so many times and we still fell for it. We made the same mistake and now they got into the White House. Now we have to deal with the things my grandfather spent his life keeping out of power.
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On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks. Plus I think he have a black fiance.
I believe they're actually married now. Milo may not be racist personally. We can't read his mind. We can examine his actions and his associates though. He has no issues associating with white supremacists (open ones). He let's them vet his articles and actively kept a line of communication open with them. At the very least he is willing to tolerate open racists for his own personal gain
The most damning thing for me on the"racist" front is that he had Nazi terminology in his passwords. Like, I can understand someone selling their soul for money, he gets money to promote white ideology. But his passwords weren't ever meant for public knowledge. That's not signaling that "I'm one of you, guys", that is an evidence of stuff actively on his mind.
Still not definitive- we don't know his thoughts. But it isn't like we actively know what Nazis in ww2 were thinking either. After a certain amount of actions it doesn't matter if someone is just pretending or " merely following orders".
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On October 07 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks. Plus I think he have a black fiance. Literally hangs out with Nazis and sold white supremacy through breibart. Literally sung karaoke with Richard Spencer while they did the Nazi salute. He is on email chains with white supremacist talking about selling their ideas to the public. His black fiancé is what is known as a useful idiot, a friendly black person white supremacist can hide behind to about being called racist.
Umm...
http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/21/punched-neo-nazi-richard-spencer-turns-his-back-on-pro-paedophile-milo-yiannopoulos-6462636/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-from-breitbart-news/2017/02/21/0217c128-f7cc-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?utm_term=.3e353741d093
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On October 07 2017 11:03 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks. Plus I think he have a black fiance. Literally hangs out with Nazis and sold white supremacy through breibart. Literally sung karaoke with Richard Spencer while they did the Nazi salute. He is on email chains with white supremacist talking about selling their ideas to the public. His black fiancé is what is known as a useful idiot, a friendly black person white supremacist can hide behind to about being called racist. Umm... http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/21/punched-neo-nazi-richard-spencer-turns-his-back-on-pro-paedophile-milo-yiannopoulos-6462636/https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-from-breitbart-news/2017/02/21/0217c128-f7cc-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?utm_term=.3e353741d093
What does the second article have to do with this? If you read about it you'll know all it really means is that they draw the line at pedophilia ... "Jokes" that came off as a "advocacy". That was also after the election - he's of no use to Bannon or the Mercers for a couple of years.
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On October 07 2017 11:03 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:51 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 10:48 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. The antidote being white supremacy? I don‘t think that Milo is a white supremacist, he allows people of all colors to participate in his talks. Plus I think he have a black fiance. Literally hangs out with Nazis and sold white supremacy through breibart. Literally sung karaoke with Richard Spencer while they did the Nazi salute. He is on email chains with white supremacist talking about selling their ideas to the public. His black fiancé is what is known as a useful idiot, a friendly black person white supremacist can hide behind to about being called racist. Umm... http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/21/punched-neo-nazi-richard-spencer-turns-his-back-on-pro-paedophile-milo-yiannopoulos-6462636/https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-from-breitbart-news/2017/02/21/0217c128-f7cc-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?utm_term=.3e353741d093
Ummmm surprise:
Not really a suprise.
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On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests.
but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse.
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On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse.
Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole.
But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too.
In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences.
This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check.
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Nothing matters, both sides are bad. Discussion is pointless, both sides are bad. Actions don't matter, both sides act badly.
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On October 07 2017 11:17 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse. Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole. But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too. In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences. This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check.
assholes don't keep each other in check, that's not how it works; assholes create more assholes on their own side and the other side and poison discourse.
people like milo aren't doing anything to keep the problematic people on the left in check, they simply aren't, at all.
they also rely on lies and disinformation, which really doesn't help at all, given how important the truth is.
extremists aren't countered by other extremists, they're countered by moderates.
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On October 07 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 11:17 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse. Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole. But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too. In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences. This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check. assholes don't keep each other in check, that's not how it works; assholes create more assholes on their own side and the other side and poison discourse. people like milo aren't doing anything to keep the problematic people on the left in check, they simpyl aren't, at all. they also rely on lies and disinformation, which really doesn't help at all, given how important the truth is.
To be fair this is more of a systematic problem.
You were saying that rape is serious, yeah I agree that it is a serious matter.
But false rape accusation is also a serious matter. Lots of men's lives have been destroyed as a result and even after found out of it being a lie, the false rape accuser aren't punished as much as they should.
You got the Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl (Emma Sulkowicz Received NOW’s 2016 ‘Woman of Courage’ Award), and ofc Rolling Stone case which many media and feminist organization threw themselves to and even when get called out, they refused to retract themselves.
This will ofc piss off some people and when someone who have the social presence to make lights of these issues, that's how the "counterbalance" starts.
Its like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Once the rule have been decided that guns are in play, using guns is just smart thinking.
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Nikki Haley is a pretty shitty person and ambassador, I'd hate her too if it were at all relevant to my line of work.
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On October 07 2017 11:37 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 11:17 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse. Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole. But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too. In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences. This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check. assholes don't keep each other in check, that's not how it works; assholes create more assholes on their own side and the other side and poison discourse. people like milo aren't doing anything to keep the problematic people on the left in check, they simpyl aren't, at all. they also rely on lies and disinformation, which really doesn't help at all, given how important the truth is. To be fair this is more of a systematic problem. You were saying that rape is serious, yeah I agree that it is a serious matter. But false rape accusation is also a serious matter. Lots of men's lives have been destroyed as a result and even after found out of it being a lie, the false rape accuser aren't punished as much as they should. You got the Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl (Emma Sulkowicz Received NOW’s 2016 ‘Woman of Courage’ Award), and ofc Rolling Stone case which many media and feminist organization threw themselves to and even when get called out, they refused to retract themselves. This will ofc piss off some people and when someone who have the social presence to make lights of these issues, that's how the "counterbalance" starts. Its like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Once the rule have been decided that guns are in play, using guns is just smart thinking.
yes, false accusations do happen some, but most accusations are true. false accusers should indeed be punished more; but for a very long time there was (and to some extent still is) a far bigger problem with actual perpetrators not being punished enough.
no system is perfect, humans sometimes lie, the truth is unknown, so it's hard to adjudicate situations.
and that still doesn't "counterbalance" anything (assuming you're talking people like milo still), it doesn't lead to balance at all. an actual counterbalance ends up with the system being in balance.
you're also assuming that it was the left that first brougth guns into the fight; rather than the right. Which side is escalating, and which is merely stepping up to match the other sides' weapon? what if its' the right that's doing most of the escalating? what then? then isn't it perfectly reasonable to be angry at the right for endlessly escalating the scale of conflict?
PS didn't the false accusations in the duke lacrosse case end up with some very serious consequences for the accusation side?
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On October 07 2017 11:47 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 11:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 11:17 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse. Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole. But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too. In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences. This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check. assholes don't keep each other in check, that's not how it works; assholes create more assholes on their own side and the other side and poison discourse. people like milo aren't doing anything to keep the problematic people on the left in check, they simpyl aren't, at all. they also rely on lies and disinformation, which really doesn't help at all, given how important the truth is. To be fair this is more of a systematic problem. You were saying that rape is serious, yeah I agree that it is a serious matter. But false rape accusation is also a serious matter. Lots of men's lives have been destroyed as a result and even after found out of it being a lie, the false rape accuser aren't punished as much as they should. You got the Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl (Emma Sulkowicz Received NOW’s 2016 ‘Woman of Courage’ Award), and ofc Rolling Stone case which many media and feminist organization threw themselves to and even when get called out, they refused to retract themselves. This will ofc piss off some people and when someone who have the social presence to make lights of these issues, that's how the "counterbalance" starts. Its like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Once the rule have been decided that guns are in play, using guns is just smart thinking. yes, false accusations do happen some, but most accusations are true. false accusers should indeed be punished more; but for a very long time there was (and to some extent still is) a far bigger problem with actual perpetrators not being punished enough. no system is perfect, humans sometimes lie, the truth is unknown, so it's hard to adjudicate situations. and that still doesn't "counterbalance" anything (assuming you're talking people like milo still), it doesn't lead to balance at all. an actual counterbalance ends up with the system being in balance. you're also assuming that it was the left that first brougth guns into the fight; rather than the right. Which side is escalating, and which is merely stepping up to match the other sides' weapon? what if its' the right that's doing most of the escalating? what then? then isn't it perfectly reasonable to be angry at the right for endlessly escalating the scale of conflict? PS didn't the false accusations in the duke lacrosse case end up with some very serious consequences for the accusation side?
Well the left were the first one to weaponize social media.
And keep in mind that we live in a country with freedom of expression and free market principles.
With one side playing identity politics for particular groups of people, it is only natural that other groups start their own thing and there is nothing that one do to stop that without some human rights violation.
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On October 07 2017 11:58 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2017 11:47 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 11:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:27 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 11:17 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 11:10 zlefin wrote:On October 07 2017 10:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 07 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 07 2017 09:20 Sermokala wrote:On October 07 2017 08:36 Nevuk wrote:
That buzzfeed article from yesterday pretty clearly outlines that Milo's rise was due to a well oiled machine funded by the mercers, Bannon as the brains, and racists as the idea makers. Leftist reactions were the smallest part of it. Leftists reactions are.what have him and.breitbart legitimacy above.other.far right news sources. Its what differentiates them from.their.competition. Saying thats.the smallest part is like saying the euro club scene was tye smallest thing to redbulls success. Why is it the left's fault when people buy into this shit? Why is this left vs right? White supremacist are making a push into main stream discourse, that is an everyone problem. Because when Leftiests pushes for "patriarchy" that causes the wage gap myth, fear mongers about campus rape, refuse to call out/support BLM/antifa's violent behaviors; these guys are served as the antidote to the awful Leftiests. but they'r enot an antidote, they're not fixing anything; they're just assholes. and campus rape is a serious and legitimate problem. mostly you're still focusing on a small number of the more extreme leftists, and ignoring the actions of the reasonable majority of them. that's not a reason to support assholes trying to make things worse. Well listen I don't support all of Milo's ideas and I do agree that he is an asshole. But there are also plenty of assholes from the left too. In the past couple of years, they are allowed to exists without the majority of their party denouncing them while making load of cash and gain influences. This is a pendulum issue. As long as their are assholes from both sides, they keep each other in check. assholes don't keep each other in check, that's not how it works; assholes create more assholes on their own side and the other side and poison discourse. people like milo aren't doing anything to keep the problematic people on the left in check, they simpyl aren't, at all. they also rely on lies and disinformation, which really doesn't help at all, given how important the truth is. To be fair this is more of a systematic problem. You were saying that rape is serious, yeah I agree that it is a serious matter. But false rape accusation is also a serious matter. Lots of men's lives have been destroyed as a result and even after found out of it being a lie, the false rape accuser aren't punished as much as they should. You got the Duke Lacrosse, Mattress Girl (Emma Sulkowicz Received NOW’s 2016 ‘Woman of Courage’ Award), and ofc Rolling Stone case which many media and feminist organization threw themselves to and even when get called out, they refused to retract themselves. This will ofc piss off some people and when someone who have the social presence to make lights of these issues, that's how the "counterbalance" starts. Its like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Once the rule have been decided that guns are in play, using guns is just smart thinking. yes, false accusations do happen some, but most accusations are true. false accusers should indeed be punished more; but for a very long time there was (and to some extent still is) a far bigger problem with actual perpetrators not being punished enough. no system is perfect, humans sometimes lie, the truth is unknown, so it's hard to adjudicate situations. and that still doesn't "counterbalance" anything (assuming you're talking people like milo still), it doesn't lead to balance at all. an actual counterbalance ends up with the system being in balance. you're also assuming that it was the left that first brougth guns into the fight; rather than the right. Which side is escalating, and which is merely stepping up to match the other sides' weapon? what if its' the right that's doing most of the escalating? what then? then isn't it perfectly reasonable to be angry at the right for endlessly escalating the scale of conflict? PS didn't the false accusations in the duke lacrosse case end up with some very serious consequences for the accusation side? Well the left were the first one to weaponize social media.
What does this mean? Assuming it means what I think it does, how do you know it's true? Why is it important?
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