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Godwrath
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On September 25 2017 21:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think it's definitely a double standard between professional athletes and most other jobs. We've seen a lot of cases of people being fired or punished for expressing their political opinions when it adversely affects how a company is represented, but now that professional athletes are doing it, we can't infringe on their free speech rights! If athletes with as much money and privilege and these folks have get the right to express themselves, then we should be advocating for all employees to be able to peacefully express themselves politically. Also, while I agree that the military limits a lot of rights for good reason (good order and discipline, mission readiness, public image, not doing stupid shit in other countries), it's also interesting that society is OK with the government taking away so many rights from people just because it's the military. The American public is generally pretty passionate about keeping their rights. Hell, people still throw up a fuss about the fact that military bases don't allow you to carry firearms in most locations. Aren't the players basically the backbone of the organisation? My comparison is a bit limp, I realize that, but Google had a internal discussion and due to unfortunate circumstances the memo got public and he was removed due to not complying with corporate public policy. The players also had a discussion as a team and ostensibly management is supportive. Thus they represent corporate policy. More important even is that the programmer factually isn't disadvantaged as a white guy while the poc players, wealthy or not, factually are. Just a thought of the moment. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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I'm listening to NPR and they are discussing disaster relief and the hypocrisy of not providing aid to Sandy devastation because it wasn't offset with cuts, to now saying cuts don't matter because it's Texas. Now with the mounting bill coming from Irma and Jose, Maria, do they agree to provide relief to all devastated areas regardless of region? Or do they go back to deciding which region is more deserving of government relief funds? Also, the military has come out time and time again, saying that global warming/climate change is the single greatest threat to national security. The amount of money having to be spent rebuilding places and getting economies back to work, will greatly undermine national security going forward. What do we say now to these problems popping up? | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On September 25 2017 22:32 Artisreal wrote: Aren't the players basically the backbone of the organisation? My comparison is a bit limp, I realize that, but Google had a internal discussion and due to unfortunate circumstances the memo got public and he was removed due to not complying with corporate public policy. The players also had a discussion as a team and ostensibly management is supportive. Thus they represent corporate policy. More important even is that the programmer factually isn't disadvantaged as a white guy while the poc players, wealthy or not, factually are. Just a thought of the moment. To further complicate this portrayal of players as mere private actors disobeying a private employer rule, it's worth mentioning that the military paid the NFL many dollars in 2009 in order to prompt them to force teams out of the locker room during the national anthem. Prior to 2009, the anthem was sung prior to team introductions. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On September 25 2017 22:33 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: To open discussions a bit. I'm listening to NPR and they are discussing disaster relief and the hypocrisy of not providing aid to Sandy devastation because it wasn't offset with cuts, to now saying cuts don't matter because it's Texas. Now with the mounting bill coming from Irma and Jose, Maria, do they agree to provide relief to all devastated areas regardless of region? Or do they go back to deciding which region is more deserving of government relief funds? Also, the military has come out time and time again, saying that global warming/climate change is the single greatest threat to national security. The amount of money having to be spent rebuilding places and getting economies back to work, will greatly undermine national security going forward. What do we say now to these problems popping up? Good question. Has Trump said anything about Puerto Rico yet? They are a US territory. We should be sending them support/aid just like if they were a state. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On September 25 2017 22:56 Sadist wrote: Good question. Has Trump said anything about Puerto Rico yet? They are a US territory. We should be sending them support/aid just like if they were a state. yeah, but that is never going to happen. Being a US territory really kinda sucks for the most part | ||
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Plansix
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RealityIsKing
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Come on people, stop with the identity politics. That's why dems lost 2016. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On September 25 2017 23:17 RealityIsKing wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/912280282224525312 Come on people, stop with the identity politics. That's why dems lost 2016. The issue of race is why they began kneeling in the first place. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On September 25 2017 23:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: The issue of race is why they began kneeling in the first place. Also brought more divisiveness into the country, which is bad. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:13 Plansix wrote: Puerto Rico won’t get aid. There are no votes to lose by ignoring it, even though they are American citizens. Trump tweeted #PRstrong already and he's constantly raving about how much respect he has for his Country so surely he will help his citizens | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:17 RealityIsKing wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/912280282224525312 Come on people, stop with the identity politics. That's why dems lost 2016. Kneeling is a sign of respect and submission. Maybe you shouldn’t be so sensitive about people performing respectful protests against racial inequality? On September 25 2017 23:25 RealityIsKing wrote: Also brought more divisiveness into the country, which is bad. Protesting racial inequality has never been popular. Protesting inequality has never been popular. People don’t do it looking for approval. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:25 RealityIsKing wrote: Also brought more divisiveness into the country, which is bad. Its devisive because people are idiots and arent asking why they are kneeling even though its been said over and over. People dont stand in their homes when watching on tv. Is that disrespectful? Our president is a divisive scumbag. If you want to talk about divisive look at the orange bag of hot air. | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:25 RealityIsKing wrote: Also brought more divisiveness into the country, which is bad. what kind of circular logic do you need to believe that leaves the blame for divisiveness at the feet of the guy kneeling against racial inequality | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On September 25 2017 23:25 RealityIsKing wrote: Also brought more divisiveness into the country, which is bad. Is it more divisive because it forces you to choose a cloth over protecting lives against systemic racism and death at the hands of police? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:17 RealityIsKing wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/912280282224525312 Come on people, stop with the identity politics. That's why dems lost 2016. trump does just as much identity politics as the dems; and really most politics is identity politics anyways. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On September 25 2017 23:28 Sadist wrote: Its devisive because people are idiots and arent asking why they are kneeling even though its been said over and over. People dont stand in their homes when watching on tv. Is that disrespectful? Our president is a divisive scumbag. If you want to talk about divisive look at the orange bag of hot air. Our president is at least trying to unite the country into one unified nation by bringing national pride back and at least have the courage to fully stand up to NK's dictatorship. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:44 RealityIsKing wrote: Our president is at least trying to unite the country into one unified nation by bringing national pride back and at least have the courage to fully stand up to NK's dictatorship. he's not doing anything to NK; just bluster and talk; he has no actual viable plan for accomplishing anything with regards to NK. he's more likely ot make the problem worse than better. you've no basis to conclude trump is donig a better job on NK than the previous presidents. for someone who claims to care about reality you sure don't have a good grasp of it; as the evidence shows trump is far more of a divider than a uniter. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 25 2017 23:44 RealityIsKing wrote: Our president is at least trying to unite the country into one unified nation by bringing national pride back and at least have the courage to fully stand up to NK's dictatorship. There's so much to unpack here, really I don't know where to start. But I've never seen a president do more to agitate and divide its people than Trump has done. He's barely 8 months in. | ||
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