EPTThe GOP regulars wanted Trump to be the lightning rod of hate. They still poll worse and have given Trump very little reason to work with them. Trump's enough of a political novice to have trusted Ryan and McConnell to have an ACA repeal ready for the desk through reconciliation in his first six months. They didn't. They showed the repeal talk was all fake for ginning up the base to vote for them. It's bad for the country for Dems to have a sympathetic President, but then again the supposed champions of what I believe in aren't willing to fight for their stated principles. Oh well, you deserve what comes next.
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Danglars
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The GOP regulars wanted Trump to be the lightning rod of hate. They still poll worse and have given Trump very little reason to work with them. Trump's enough of a political novice to have trusted Ryan and McConnell to have an ACA repeal ready for the desk through reconciliation in his first six months. They didn't. They showed the repeal talk was all fake for ginning up the base to vote for them. It's bad for the country for Dems to have a sympathetic President, but then again the supposed champions of what I believe in aren't willing to fight for their stated principles. Oh well, you deserve what comes next. | ||
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Have other polling groups done any similar type polls recently? Partially because Rasmussen and partially because multiple data points. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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I would liken the continued campaign against both De Facto (resegregation) and potential De Jure racism (voter ID) to being like an umbrella against a great evil. That so much of society pushes back against De Jure racism is what is keeping us relatively dry under the umbrella. To say that "well it was worse back then but better now, that means we don't need to talk about race so much" would be to toss the umbrella and invite back the bad times. | ||
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Godwrath
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On September 14 2017 03:07 LegalLord wrote: Just bought the book. We shall see how good it is once I have a chance to read it all. Will write something up about it. Well, if it doesn't happen to be just a cashgrab book after the elections i will be surprised. | ||
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LegalLord
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On September 14 2017 03:23 Godwrath wrote: Well, if it doesn't happen to be just a cashgrab book after the elections i will be surprised. Hey, the petty, desperate thrashing is worth the $20 I paid! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On September 14 2017 03:23 Godwrath wrote: Well, if it doesn't happen to be just a cashgrab book after the elections i will be surprised. Well don't forget all those wall st speeches Bernie talked about. WHAT ARE THEY PAYING HER SIX FIGS FOR, I SURE DO WONDUH, I WONDUH A LOT. She doesn't need the cash. | ||
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That's honestly quite interesting. My interpretation is that people care far more about getting shit done, regardless of who it's done by, rather than getting shit done, by their representatives. Obstruction/stalling is a dead end politically now. On another topic: https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/09/solar-now-costs-6¢-per-kilowatt-hour-beating-government-goal-by-3-years/ The base cost of Solar in an average place in the states (Kansas City) is now 6c/kWh, for hardware, not including tax credits etc. Installation still adds a good chunk to the pricing, but it's continuing downwards, and looking at the projections going to be more than just competitive with other energy sources, if storage of power becomes more viable. | ||
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Godwrath
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On September 14 2017 03:27 Mohdoo wrote: Well don't forget all those wall st speeches Bernie talked about. WHAT ARE THEY PAYING HER SIX FIGS FOR, I SURE DO WONDUH, I WONDUH A LOT. She doesn't need the cash. A lot of people who don't need the cash still continue to do things for profit. If she is actually using the book sales to donate to a variety of causes, great, but i would expect somebody to had actually brought that up if it was the case. | ||
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Danglars
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On September 14 2017 03:35 LegalLord wrote: Meh, book profits are generally rotten and more so used as an advertisement in depth. By the time everyone has had their pickings at the profits it turns into something small enough that you have to sell millions to make any real amount of money. And let's face it, Hillary doesn't need advertisement at this point, she can already go rake cash out of moneyed folk. My question is why the pre-reviewers and other advance copy holders didn't get back to her that it was a steaming pile of shit. She must be incredibly insulated with Trump-level demands of personal loyalty above all else. Secondly, the mud slinging at Bernie will keep everybody remembering how the party went to war with its own progressive base for no good reason whatsoever. The party bosses want the primary campaign to fade from memory. The book reopens that chapter on how unfit she was yet how inevitable her primary win remained. Truly a deserving opponent for Trump. | ||
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LegalLord
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On September 14 2017 03:51 Danglars wrote: https://twitter.com/jamesheartfield/status/907752206627213312 My question is why the pre-reviewers and other advance copy holders didn't get back to her that it was a steaming pile of shit. She must be incredibly insulated with Trump-level demands of personal loyalty above all else. Secondly, the mud slinging at Bernie will keep everybody remembering how the party went to war with its own progressive base for no good reason whatsoever. The party bosses want the primary campaign to fade from memory. The book reopens that chapter on how unfit she was yet how inevitable her primary win remained. Truly a deserving opponent for Trump. I recommend "Shattered" as a reading about Hillary's campaign. She basically bent over backwards to make sure she would only have the deepest of loyalists on her team, as per anonymous interviews with her staffers. This new book seems like Hillary decided to pull no punches and to just put her personal opinions on display, unfiltered and uncontrolled. That sounds like an intriguing read to look at. Worth a $20. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On September 14 2017 03:51 Danglars wrote: https://twitter.com/jamesheartfield/status/907752206627213312 My question is why the pre-reviewers and other advance copy holders didn't get back to her that it was a steaming pile of shit. She must be incredibly insulated with Trump-level demands of personal loyalty above all else. Secondly, the mud slinging at Bernie will keep everybody remembering how the party went to war with its own progressive base for no good reason whatsoever. The party bosses want the primary campaign to fade from memory. The book reopens that chapter on how unfit she was yet how inevitable her primary win remained. Truly a deserving opponent for Trump. the way i read it, she described gaslighting as a tactic of authoritarianism with nothing about how the lesson of 1984 is to trust experts. seems more like random dude with 1k followers misreading what she's saying and coming up with his own hot takes. | ||
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Plansix
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On September 14 2017 04:09 LegalLord wrote: As an aside, I honestly felt that 1984 was a really shoddy book. They created an almost farcical and in no way realistic idea of a full on police state and shoehorned a pretty mediocre story of some fucking guy on top of it. Frankly I don't think it should be used as this catch all example of the badness of government overreach nearly as much as it is. It was written in 1949 and it shows. Most sci-fiction and fantasy were in the early stages of becoming forms of fiction. World building and lore were barely concept back then. The book’s intent was to evoke the feeling and concepts of the police state, while highlighting the tactics used by oppressive governments like the Nazis. It was written with the memory of large Nazi rallies held in the US and growing support for the movement within our country. | ||
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