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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, no one wants that job. Ryan is the only man that would take it, against his will. No one wants to manage those children. On September 08 2017 05:55 Nevuk wrote: But speakers have to be a member of the house, right? Apparently it is not required(who knew) But I don’t know how they could swing that, because it has never happened or been tried.. This is Bannon punching way above his weight limit. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On September 08 2017 05:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: Omg its so hot in South FL right now. The sky is beautiful too, it's the calm before the storm, and this Irma hurricane is looking fucking scary. I've tried to prepare as much as possible. Let's hope it's not as destructive when it gets here. Stay safe and keep us posted if you can (but obviously don't prioritize it). | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 08 2017 05:55 Nevuk wrote: But speakers have to be a member of the house, right? https://twitter.com/law_newz/status/905881420610113538 kinda sorta. It's not constitutionally required, it can be someone else; but it has ALWAYS been a member of the house, and traditions like that die hard. I doubt the more conservative wing can get enough republicans to agree to something like that, even if they dislike the current speaker. They might be able to get him below having a majority of votes, but I'm not sure if that matters once he's already in the position (obviously it owuld matter when a new one is being selected). Also note that while normally everyone votes for a speaker of their own party; if the Dems are in the minority (and a republicans majority), but there's also enough Republicans who won't agree to a negotiated deal over the speakership for them to vote for a party choice, the Dems could decide to vote for a moderate republican for speaker as part of a deal. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
And no he doesn't need to be a member, it was also discussed last time when they could find no one stupid enough to do it inside the House. At this point your only going to find a speaker whos political career is already over and yet somehow wants to be burdened with all the work | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On September 08 2017 05:45 Ghostcom wrote: I've entertained the thought. Well if you consider modern windmills he may have overshot his target but due to aiming at the wrong one actually struck the right | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 08 2017 06:00 Plansix wrote: Santorum is a deeply weird religious man. Like Jesus rode on a dinosaur weird. He's an embarrassment to my state. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On September 08 2017 04:59 Mohdoo wrote: This is music to my ears. I am thrilled to hear this. If an immigrant with no connections and less knowledge of English can do the job as well as you or better, then that's your fault. Just saying. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
On September 08 2017 06:55 Mohdoo wrote: Kelly will push hard against Santorum. He wants the government to be an effective machine and seems to approach this from a purely "good of the country" perspective. I don't think he has to push much. I don't see Santorum wanting the job in the first place. I dont think Newt is stupid enough to try either. Remember, no one wanted the job last time. They had to beg Ryan to do it, and the public rift in the GOP has only made the position less desirable. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 08 2017 06:58 Gorsameth wrote: I don't think he has to push much. I don't see Santorum wanting the job in the first place. I dont think Newt is stupid enough to try either. Remember, no one wanted the job last time. They had to beg Ryan to do it, and the public rift in the GOP has only made the position less desirable. Good point. I wonder: Is there anyone who would be a good fit for the job? I don't really think so. The group is too diverse to be led by a single person. Dare I say they need more of a sub-council. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 08 2017 06:17 Gorsameth wrote: Paul Ryan is speaker because no one else wanted the job. They tried really hard to find people and failed, and who can blame them, you have to deal with an utterly divided House even in your own party and there is literally no way you come out looking good. And no he doesn't need to be a member, it was also discussed last time when they could find no one stupid enough to do it inside the House. At this point your only going to find a speaker whos political career is already over and yet somehow wants to be burdened with all the work Hilarious scenario: Dems retake house in 2018, impeach Trump and Pence on all sorts of nasty charges. They make Hillary Speaker, and BOOM. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 08 2017 06:55 sc-darkness wrote: If an immigrant with no connections and less knowledge of English can do the job as well as you or better, then that's your fault. Just saying. Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time. https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap But it’s how H1-B visas are being used by applicants that’s really changed. Data from the 2016 batch of H-1B petitions show that the top 10 sponsors of H-1B visa workers in the US are all corporations with large outsourcing businesses: Indian companies like Infosys, Tata, and Wipro, which pioneered the business, and US-based firms like IBM, Accenture, and Cognizant, which saw the success of the Indian contractors and began offing their own competing outsourcing programs. Those 10 firms have more workers currently employed through the program than the next 90 companies combined, a group that includes all of America’s largest tech companies and banks. That means that the annual lottery for H1-B visas is now overwhelmed by companies that have built businesses based on foreign labor and business that are fostering a massive outsourcing industry. It used to take months for the program to reach its annual cap. This year it took five days. “The program is used for some really bright people and in the right way in certain cases, but it’s become overwhelmed by bad actors,” says Hira. “The laws and rules were written at the behest of industry, and employers love the program, because they get to hold the visa, pay lower wages, and avoid providing benefits,” says Hira. “It’s worth tens of billions of dollars to them, which is why they have fought any sort of sensible reform.” Hira estimates that roughly 1.7 million jobs have been offshored to India alone, and though other factors are in play, the H-1B program has helped facilitate that process. “The question is, can you repair the program, can you realign it, so the reality meets the intent?” It is a bad system and needs to be changed. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 08 2017 07:11 Plansix wrote: Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time. https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap It is a bad system and needs to be changed. Thank you for finding a kinder way to point that out than I would have. On September 08 2017 07:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AP/status/905921630349733888 Meaning what? No exceptions? Or no ban at all? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On September 08 2017 07:11 Plansix wrote: Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time. https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap It is a bad system and needs to be changed. If that nation's citizens are uneducated, have no higher education and do worse job, how are they better than a foreigner with higher education who can do the job better? Your logic is flawed. Foreigner with higher education will almost always outperform someone who is less educated and they can contribute more. It's better for country and economy. I see no benefit in "nation should protect its citizens" in this case. You're fighting a losing battle here.  | ||
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