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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-07 23:17:58
September 07 2017 23:12 GMT
#173701


Also, apparently the management of Equifax dumped a few million dollars of their stock right before making the announcement to the public.

Also it happened months ago.

I saw someone suggest that at this point they might as well reissue SSNs for everyone, that the breach is that bad.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
September 07 2017 23:13 GMT
#173702
If management legitimately dumped stock in expectation of a downturn only they had knowledge of, that's pretty close to the definition of illegal insider trading lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-07 23:16:16
September 07 2017 23:15 GMT
#173703
On September 08 2017 08:13 farvacola wrote:
If management legitimately dumped stock in expectation of a downturn only they had knowledge of, that's pretty close to the definition of illegal insider trading lol


Three Equifax Managers Sold Stock Before Cyber Hack Was Revealed
Three Equifax Inc. senior executives sold shares worth almost $1.8 million in the days after the company discovered a security breach that may have compromised information on about 143 million U.S. consumers.

The credit-reporting service said late Thursday in a statement that it discovered the intrusion on July 29. Regulatory filings show that three days later, Chief Financial Officer John Gamble sold shares worth $946,374 and Joseph Loughran, president of U.S. information solutions, exercised options to dispose of stock worth $584,099. Rodolfo Ploder, president of workforce solutions, sold $250,458 of stock on Aug. 2. None of the filings lists the transactions as being part of 10b5-1 pre-scheduled trading plans.

Equifax said in the statement that intruders accessed names, Social Security numbers, birth dates, addresses and driver’s-license numbers, as well as credit-card numbers for about 209,000 consumers. The incident ranks among the largest cybersecurity breaches in history.

Equifax shares tumbled 6.2 percent to $133.90 in extended trading at 5:50 p.m. in New York. Marisa Salcines, a spokeswoman for the Atlanta-based company, didn’t immediately return a call for comment.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
September 07 2017 23:16 GMT
#173704
Hot damn, heads are gonna roll.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
September 07 2017 23:18 GMT
#173705
On September 08 2017 07:53 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 07:11 Plansix wrote:
On September 08 2017 06:55 sc-darkness wrote:
On September 08 2017 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 08 2017 03:47 sc-darkness wrote:
Fuck Trump. H1B visas are much harder now.


This is music to my ears. I am thrilled to hear this.


If an immigrant with no connections and less knowledge of English can do the job as well as you or better, then that's your fault. Just saying.

Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap

But it’s how H1-B visas are being used by applicants that’s really changed. Data from the 2016 batch of H-1B petitions show that the top 10 sponsors of H-1B visa workers in the US are all corporations with large outsourcing businesses: Indian companies like Infosys, Tata, and Wipro, which pioneered the business, and US-based firms like IBM, Accenture, and Cognizant, which saw the success of the Indian contractors and began offing their own competing outsourcing programs. Those 10 firms have more workers currently employed through the program than the next 90 companies combined, a group that includes all of America’s largest tech companies and banks.

That means that the annual lottery for H1-B visas is now overwhelmed by companies that have built businesses based on foreign labor and business that are fostering a massive outsourcing industry. It used to take months for the program to reach its annual cap. This year it took five days.


“The program is used for some really bright people and in the right way in certain cases, but it’s become overwhelmed by bad actors,” says Hira. “The laws and rules were written at the behest of industry, and employers love the program, because they get to hold the visa, pay lower wages, and avoid providing benefits,” says Hira. “It’s worth tens of billions of dollars to them, which is why they have fought any sort of sensible reform.” Hira estimates that roughly 1.7 million jobs have been offshored to India alone, and though other factors are in play, the H-1B program has helped facilitate that process. “The question is, can you repair the program, can you realign it, so the reality meets the intent?”


It is a bad system and needs to be changed.


If that nation's citizens are uneducated, have no higher education and do worse job, how are they better than a foreigner with higher education who can do the job better? Your logic is flawed.

Foreigner with higher education will almost always outperform someone who is less educated and they can contribute more. It's better for country and economy. I see no benefit in "nation should protect its citizens" in this case. You're fighting a losing battle here.

Why are you surprised people within that country are voting against this system though? Immigration, while overall having a fairly negligible net effect on wages, causes the wages of most natives to go down, especially the ones already at the bottom end of the scale. I'm not arguing that it's right the H-1B program is being limited, but surely you can see why this 'losing battle' is still being fought.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 07 2017 23:22 GMT
#173706
Special counsel Robert Mueller has approached the White House regarding interviews with individuals who were aboard Air Force One when staff drew up a misleading statement on the meeting Donald Trump Jr. had with Russians promising dirt on Hillary Clinton, CNN reported Thursday.

CNN cited three unnamed sources familiar with the conversations between Mueller’s team and the White House.

Trump Jr. originally claimed the June 2016 meeting, which was attended by a mix of Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to Russia, concerned adoption policy. Eventually, emails he released over Twitter showed Trump Jr. agreed to the meeting after being told there was damaging information about Hillary Clinton to be had as a part of a Russian government effort to help his father’s campaign.

Trump Jr. told Senate investigators in a prepared statement Thursday that he had accepted the meeting over his concern about “the fitness, character or qualifications of a presidential candidate,” namely Hillary Clinton. He spoke with investigators with the Senate Judiciary Committee for roughly five hours.

The Washington Post previously reported that, on a flight home from the G20 summit, the President “personally dictated” the misleading statement. According to the Post, Trump’s intervention derailed what was otherwise an attempt to get ahead of the story with a statement that was truthful and couldn’t be repudiated later.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said last month that President Donald Trump had “weighed in as any father would” on his son’s original, misleading statement that the meeting was about adoption. That raised flags about potential obstruction of justice.

CNN reported that two of the sources said Mueller wanted to know “how the statement aboard Air Force One was put together, whether information was intentionally left out and who was involved.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
September 07 2017 23:35 GMT
#173707
This is CNN? You can safely discard it as FAKE NEWS. Check Trump's twitter, that's the only source of truth.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 07 2017 23:39 GMT
#173708
Yeah, Equifax is fucked. They are going to eat a monstrous class action lawsuit.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7230 Posts
September 07 2017 23:41 GMT
#173709
The Equifax CFO makes 2.6m a year and risks that to protect 60k? Those are some elite math skills from the CFO.
日本語が分かりますか
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 07 2017 23:41 GMT
#173710
On September 08 2017 07:53 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 07:11 Plansix wrote:
On September 08 2017 06:55 sc-darkness wrote:
On September 08 2017 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 08 2017 03:47 sc-darkness wrote:
Fuck Trump. H1B visas are much harder now.


This is music to my ears. I am thrilled to hear this.


If an immigrant with no connections and less knowledge of English can do the job as well as you or better, then that's your fault. Just saying.

Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap

But it’s how H1-B visas are being used by applicants that’s really changed. Data from the 2016 batch of H-1B petitions show that the top 10 sponsors of H-1B visa workers in the US are all corporations with large outsourcing businesses: Indian companies like Infosys, Tata, and Wipro, which pioneered the business, and US-based firms like IBM, Accenture, and Cognizant, which saw the success of the Indian contractors and began offing their own competing outsourcing programs. Those 10 firms have more workers currently employed through the program than the next 90 companies combined, a group that includes all of America’s largest tech companies and banks.

That means that the annual lottery for H1-B visas is now overwhelmed by companies that have built businesses based on foreign labor and business that are fostering a massive outsourcing industry. It used to take months for the program to reach its annual cap. This year it took five days.


“The program is used for some really bright people and in the right way in certain cases, but it’s become overwhelmed by bad actors,” says Hira. “The laws and rules were written at the behest of industry, and employers love the program, because they get to hold the visa, pay lower wages, and avoid providing benefits,” says Hira. “It’s worth tens of billions of dollars to them, which is why they have fought any sort of sensible reform.” Hira estimates that roughly 1.7 million jobs have been offshored to India alone, and though other factors are in play, the H-1B program has helped facilitate that process. “The question is, can you repair the program, can you realign it, so the reality meets the intent?”


It is a bad system and needs to be changed.


If that nation's citizens are uneducated, have no higher education and do worse job, how are they better than a foreigner with higher education who can do the job better? Your logic is flawed.

Foreigner with higher education will almost always outperform someone who is less educated and they can contribute more. It's better for country and economy. I see no benefit in "nation should protect its citizens" in this case. You're fighting a losing battle here.

I'd argue that it's a citizens right to vote on such an issue according to their own desires, and that no nation in the world should be carte blanch to another trying to enter under the shaky guise you just posted.

I'm sure there will be plenty of tears shed for you that you can't just walk in and get a job in another nation because you might theoretically be better (I doubt it anyway).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 07 2017 23:44 GMT
#173711
On September 08 2017 08:18 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 07:53 sc-darkness wrote:
On September 08 2017 07:11 Plansix wrote:
On September 08 2017 06:55 sc-darkness wrote:
On September 08 2017 04:59 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 08 2017 03:47 sc-darkness wrote:
Fuck Trump. H1B visas are much harder now.


This is music to my ears. I am thrilled to hear this.


If an immigrant with no connections and less knowledge of English can do the job as well as you or better, then that's your fault. Just saying.

Nations gotta look out for its citizens, this isn't a meritocracy. Plus the H1B visa program has been busted and abused for a long time.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/20/15370248/trump-h-1b-visa-reform-tech-worker-outsourcing-cap

But it’s how H1-B visas are being used by applicants that’s really changed. Data from the 2016 batch of H-1B petitions show that the top 10 sponsors of H-1B visa workers in the US are all corporations with large outsourcing businesses: Indian companies like Infosys, Tata, and Wipro, which pioneered the business, and US-based firms like IBM, Accenture, and Cognizant, which saw the success of the Indian contractors and began offing their own competing outsourcing programs. Those 10 firms have more workers currently employed through the program than the next 90 companies combined, a group that includes all of America’s largest tech companies and banks.

That means that the annual lottery for H1-B visas is now overwhelmed by companies that have built businesses based on foreign labor and business that are fostering a massive outsourcing industry. It used to take months for the program to reach its annual cap. This year it took five days.


“The program is used for some really bright people and in the right way in certain cases, but it’s become overwhelmed by bad actors,” says Hira. “The laws and rules were written at the behest of industry, and employers love the program, because they get to hold the visa, pay lower wages, and avoid providing benefits,” says Hira. “It’s worth tens of billions of dollars to them, which is why they have fought any sort of sensible reform.” Hira estimates that roughly 1.7 million jobs have been offshored to India alone, and though other factors are in play, the H-1B program has helped facilitate that process. “The question is, can you repair the program, can you realign it, so the reality meets the intent?”


It is a bad system and needs to be changed.


If that nation's citizens are uneducated, have no higher education and do worse job, how are they better than a foreigner with higher education who can do the job better? Your logic is flawed.

Foreigner with higher education will almost always outperform someone who is less educated and they can contribute more. It's better for country and economy. I see no benefit in "nation should protect its citizens" in this case. You're fighting a losing battle here.

Why are you surprised people within that country are voting against this system though? Immigration, while overall having a fairly negligible net effect on wages, causes the wages of most natives to go down, especially the ones already at the bottom end of the scale. I'm not arguing that it's right the H-1B program is being limited, but surely you can see why this 'losing battle' is still being fought.

I think immigration is great, but not when multi billion dollar companies are reaping windfalls off of a broken system, and then dodging taxes. Literally nothing in it for me.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 07 2017 23:48 GMT
#173712
On September 08 2017 08:41 NovaTheFeared wrote:
The Equifax CFO makes 2.6m a year and risks that to protect 60k? Those are some elite math skills from the CFO.

Yeah their stock only fell 5-6% on the news... They barely saved anything.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 07 2017 23:50 GMT
#173713
now, watch as it falls by even more since 3 members of their c suite were engaged in insider trading and are probably fired
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 07 2017 23:51 GMT
#173714
On September 08 2017 08:16 farvacola wrote:
Hot damn, heads are gonna roll.

Golden parachutes for all and no criminal charges for clear insider trading. Calling it now. CEOs cannot commit crimes in America.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
September 07 2017 23:59 GMT
#173715
Perhaps so, but then again, this is Trump's America.

Anything can happen :D
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 08 2017 00:00 GMT
#173716


The fun news is coming in today.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 00:20:33
September 08 2017 00:13 GMT
#173717
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 00:22 GMT
#173718
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 00:25:12
September 08 2017 00:23 GMT
#173719
Edit: Nevermind
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2017 00:40 GMT
#173720
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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