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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-20 23:00:06
August 20 2017 22:56 GMT
#170161
On August 21 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 04:49 Kyadytim wrote:
On August 21 2017 02:39 Danglars wrote:

Hey Danglars, why are you so attached to this? Less than 0.1% of the protesters were arrested. That's not a very significant portion. Also, as far as I've found, no one was even sent to the hospital for injuries. You know what else is comparable? The infant mortality rate and maternal mortality rate in the United States, at around 0.6% and 0.25%, respectively. Why aren't you interested in talking about those constantly? Are you like Donald Trump in that you need easily digested visuals to hold your attention?


I'm genuinely curious if they think the oppression of Nazis is worse than the systemic and habitual abuse of PoC? I know which one they spend more time being critical of.

I often find myself thinking that surely they must just not believe in it. That the only way they could be okay with it is if they don't think it's a real thing. Otherwise they couldn't possibly simultaneously hold the beliefs they claim to and fight to defend that oppression.

There isn't equal and universal access to the ballot box for all Americans. That's such a basic and obvious starting point in terms of rights that it's truly baffling that they get so bogged down in who threw urine and why.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
August 20 2017 23:04 GMT
#170162
On August 21 2017 07:40 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 03:42 Gahlo wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

Suicide bombers are bad because you can only use them once. What if we developed software and a sensor package that could remove the human from the equation? And then we started a bidding war to see who could make it the cheapest. How could this go wrong?

On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

On August 21 2017 03:32 warding wrote:
Uranium and nuclear weapons are hard to get. Electronics is cheap and software is free to transfer. It isn't a stretch to imagine an enemy/rogue state or a criminal organization in a failed state developing autonomous weapons and feeding them to terrorist organizations to mess with israel or the U.S.

I doubt you understand what goes into making an AI. You don't just implement AI by pressing install and fuse some electronics together and put it in a husk.
You need mechanical, software and electrical engineers to fix that stuff. It's pretty difficult to make de novo able autonomous killing machines.


My grandfather used to run a company that did military R&D for optics(sights for guns on boats or para-scopes). They made those things to be used by people with a 6th grade reading level. If this is developed for the military, there is a good chance it will be brain dead easy to use. And they will make it to be mass produced in some way.

Couldn't you already just strap a triggered bomb onto a drone from someplace like Best Buy and pilot into position?



You can actually turn drones into cruise missiles, they are now sophisticated enough that you can just set a course and they will go there using GPS as guidance all you need is a few https://www.parrot.com/us/drones.

The US army already has some kamikaze drones [image loading]

Yeah, but I'm talking about normal drones like this.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-20 23:49:44
August 20 2017 23:47 GMT
#170163
On August 21 2017 08:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 07:40 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:42 Gahlo wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

Suicide bombers are bad because you can only use them once. What if we developed software and a sensor package that could remove the human from the equation? And then we started a bidding war to see who could make it the cheapest. How could this go wrong?

On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

On August 21 2017 03:32 warding wrote:
Uranium and nuclear weapons are hard to get. Electronics is cheap and software is free to transfer. It isn't a stretch to imagine an enemy/rogue state or a criminal organization in a failed state developing autonomous weapons and feeding them to terrorist organizations to mess with israel or the U.S.

I doubt you understand what goes into making an AI. You don't just implement AI by pressing install and fuse some electronics together and put it in a husk.
You need mechanical, software and electrical engineers to fix that stuff. It's pretty difficult to make de novo able autonomous killing machines.


My grandfather used to run a company that did military R&D for optics(sights for guns on boats or para-scopes). They made those things to be used by people with a 6th grade reading level. If this is developed for the military, there is a good chance it will be brain dead easy to use. And they will make it to be mass produced in some way.

Couldn't you already just strap a triggered bomb onto a drone from someplace like Best Buy and pilot into position?



You can actually turn drones into cruise missiles, they are now sophisticated enough that you can just set a course and they will go there using GPS as guidance all you need is a few https://www.parrot.com/us/drones.

The US army already has some kamikaze drones [image loading]

Yeah, but I'm talking about normal drones like this.

I think the inability to carry a large payload limits the destructive potential of something like this. The drone you linked weighs 1.64lbs total, and even if you stripped it down I think you'd have maybe .5-.75lb's of payload, for $1000.

Quadcopters in particular are a pretty poor choice for payload vs. cost, despite the ease of use compared to a more conventional RC plane if you want to hit something in particular.
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 21 2017 00:00 GMT
#170164
On August 21 2017 08:04 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 07:40 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:42 Gahlo wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:
On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

Suicide bombers are bad because you can only use them once. What if we developed software and a sensor package that could remove the human from the equation? And then we started a bidding war to see who could make it the cheapest. How could this go wrong?

On August 21 2017 03:32 Uldridge wrote:
What could go wrong!?

On August 21 2017 03:32 warding wrote:
Uranium and nuclear weapons are hard to get. Electronics is cheap and software is free to transfer. It isn't a stretch to imagine an enemy/rogue state or a criminal organization in a failed state developing autonomous weapons and feeding them to terrorist organizations to mess with israel or the U.S.

I doubt you understand what goes into making an AI. You don't just implement AI by pressing install and fuse some electronics together and put it in a husk.
You need mechanical, software and electrical engineers to fix that stuff. It's pretty difficult to make de novo able autonomous killing machines.


My grandfather used to run a company that did military R&D for optics(sights for guns on boats or para-scopes). They made those things to be used by people with a 6th grade reading level. If this is developed for the military, there is a good chance it will be brain dead easy to use. And they will make it to be mass produced in some way.

Couldn't you already just strap a triggered bomb onto a drone from someplace like Best Buy and pilot into position?



You can actually turn drones into cruise missiles, they are now sophisticated enough that you can just set a course and they will go there using GPS as guidance all you need is a few https://www.parrot.com/us/drones.

The US army already has some kamikaze drones [image loading]

Yeah, but I'm talking about normal drones like this.




This is a quadcopter dropping small explosives

Yes im
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 00:42:07
August 21 2017 00:41 GMT
#170165
What is it again we blowing up 200 bucks worth of equipment with 100 grand worth of equipment.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 21 2017 00:52 GMT
#170166
On August 21 2017 09:41 semantics wrote:
What is it again we blowing up 200 bucks worth of equipment with 100 grand worth of equipment.




efficiency and the military industrial complex
Yes im
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 21 2017 00:57 GMT
#170167
On August 21 2017 09:41 semantics wrote:
What is it again we blowing up 200 bucks worth of equipment with 100 grand worth of equipment.


This is looking at it wrong. Those 200 bucks worth of equipment were going to kill/wound/maims a few people. Those kill/wound/maims could easily be millions of damage. If this drone gets the kill cost down to 10,000, that is a huge savings over sending a fast mover on a 100k$ mission.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
August 21 2017 01:12 GMT
#170168
I was like "switchblade?" Oh that's what they named the drone ima noob
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 01:53:07
August 21 2017 01:52 GMT
#170169
Wtf... Twice in 2 months.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
August 21 2017 01:59 GMT
#170170
Do ship collisions happen all the time and mostly not get reported? From a position of ignorance you'd assume that all modern vessels, and military vessels even more so, would have a good idea of every ship around them and the relative trajectories. It ought to be pretty hard for a collision to happen.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2017 02:10 GMT
#170171
I need more details. The ocean is big. It's like the oceans and then space for places where things don't crash into each other.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2017 02:15 GMT
#170172


Ummmm what. I'm just going to assume he didn't know.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 21 2017 02:17 GMT
#170173
Statistics on 2011-2014 marine incidents.

EU Member States have continued to increase the reporting of casualties and
incidents in EMCIP. Comparison of the notifications in EMCIP against commercial
sources that record accidents, suggested that approximately 3 500 occurrences
(ranging from marine incidents at the lower end of the scale through to very serious
accidents) could be expected to be notified annually. However, only some 3 025
occurrences were in fact reported to EMCIP for the year 2014. It should be borne
in mind that there can be a time-lag between the incident and it being reported in
EMCIP, and a number of incidents that took place in 2014 were still to be notified
when the data for the Annual Overview was extracted.
The implementation of the reporting of marine casualties and incidents into
EMCIP has been a gradual process. While the data can be used to shed light on
certain aspects of maritime safety, it should not be used as an indication of the full
picture.
Over the period 2011-2014 under consideration, more than 390 persons lost their
lives and 3 250 were injured.
Around two thirds of the total occurrences directly involved damage to a ship while
one third was about accidents to persons on board.

While the majority of ships that sank were fishing vessels, cargo ships represented
44% of all ships involved.
67% of accidents were related to human erroneous actions.
Although EMCIP contains a substantial body of data, the population of the
database has been gradual and progressive and it is too soon for this publication
to provide a full picture or indicate trends over recent years. However, if used with
caution, the data provides a picture of some aspects of maritime safety within the
scope of the Directive.
In total, the accident investigation bodies of the EU Member States opened
investigations into more than 530 accidents and incidents that occurred from 2011
to 2014. Some 410 investigation reports were published.
55% of the safety recommendations issued by the accident investigation bodies
have been positively considered by the addressees.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 02:37:22
August 21 2017 02:30 GMT
#170174
On August 21 2017 10:59 KwarK wrote:
Do ship collisions happen all the time and mostly not get reported? From a position of ignorance you'd assume that all modern vessels, and military vessels even more so, would have a good idea of every ship around them and the relative trajectories. It ought to be pretty hard for a collision to happen.

It happened in the South China Sea, collisions occur almost on a daily basis there. It's the busiest container ship route world wide, with lots of small islands. There's also a big presence of military vessels in that region, because of China's "island expansion".
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 21 2017 03:09 GMT
#170175
On August 21 2017 11:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/899437859815518210

Ummmm what. I'm just going to assume he didn't know.


He's not too big on the name John McCain.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2017 03:15 GMT
#170176
These points are valid. It seems unlikely that he didn't know.



And it is very likely we have all lowed the bar for Trump.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
August 21 2017 03:15 GMT
#170177
I have a feeling there is going to be an independent investigation on Navy ship collisions. I'm going to try to participate if it actually happens.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
August 21 2017 03:20 GMT
#170178
On August 21 2017 12:09 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2017 11:15 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/899437859815518210

Ummmm what. I'm just going to assume he didn't know.


He's not too big on the name John McCain.

I just went through a brief series of

that can't be a factor, that'd be ridiculous
like it's an American ship, it's one of his ships, no matter what it's called
and it's not like McCain named it, it's not McCain's ship, the ship isn't any worse for the name
but this is Trump we're talking about
now I think about it I would bet that the name of the ship would actually impact his response

Truly this is the darkest timeline.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 03:26:41
August 21 2017 03:26 GMT
#170179
Ok, so I just went through and read 4 National Review articles and I think I'm good for another like 5 months. Seriously, that place is like Huffington Post levels of terrible writing. Why are conservative publications so badly written?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
August 21 2017 03:31 GMT
#170180
Have you ever met a conservative hipster? I don't like the people but they tend to do good work.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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