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On August 21 2017 23:17 LegalLord wrote:
A crash almost certainly would come from lack of communication. Read the post I made above on crash stats.

Getting into a situation where the ships are going to have a risk of crashing is generally a "someone done fucked up and entered a dangerous zone" problem. Or a lack of coordination between them. But before pointing fingers let's see if they launch an investigation into it.

On August 21 2017 14:22 Introvert wrote:


NR has a lot of writers of various quality with sometimes opposite opinions.

honestly reading this thread I'm kind of doubt your take on it. I mean being against their removal is a legitimate opinion.


edit: I don't mean a particular article, I mean your take on the whole. For that latter part you mention it's probably referred to in context of marriage rates or whatever. edited for clarity.

edit again: I think I found the one in particular that you were talking about. it's not like from the Editors or something, it's one dude from a well known think tank given a space for his opinion.

On August 21 2017 23:30 Danglars wrote:

To be honest, I'm having trouble imagining a single lib poster here that would look at an well-written forceful argument 100% opposed to their position and be a good judge of its writing. They can't even faithfully represent the arguments from the other side.

On August 22 2017 00:19 Gahlo wrote:

Oh that is just wonderful. So what happens now? Does he just run up a bill or does he hire private agencies?

Few episodes from Mr. Akhmetshin’s [Russian lobbyist who attended Trump Jr's meeting] past seem more relevant to Mr. Mueller’s investigation than his work for two Russian billionaires accused of infiltrating their adversaries’ computers during nasty legal battles.

The Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 took place less than a week before revelations that hackers had penetrated the Democratic National Committee’s computers and obtained a trove of emails. Investigators have traced digital espionage to Russian spy agencies. There is no public evidence that Mr. Akhmetshin played any role in the D.N.C. hack.

The first hacking case, which has not previously been reported, began when Mr. Akhmetshin served an alliance of businessmen led by Suleiman Kerimov — a financier close to Mr. Putin in a commercial and political dispute with a Russian competitor, Ashot Egiazaryan.

In early 2011, two London lawyers on Mr. Egiazaryan’s team separately received suspicious emails and hired forensic experts to scrutinize them, according to people involved in a Scotland Yard investigation. The experts found that the messages concealed spyware meant to infiltrate their computers, and they fed traceable documents into the spyware that were then opened by computers registered at the Moscow office park of one of Mr. Kerimov’s companies.

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Two years later, hacking accusations arose in another case, this time lodged directly against Mr. Akhmetshin. He worked as a consultant to a law firm representing EuroChem, a fertilizer and mining company controlled by another Russian billionaire close to Mr. Putin — Andrey Melnichenko. Mr. Akhmetshin’s target was a rival mining company, International Mineral Resources.

Within months, documents stored in International Mineral Resources’s computer systems began surfacing outside the company, leaked to journalists and others. The company concluded that its computers had been hacked, and replaced its servers. In lawsuits filed in federal court in Washington and state court in New York, the company accused EuroChem and Mr. Akhmetshin of computer espionage.

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Mr. Akhmetshin personally handed a thumb drive containing stolen documents to a lawyer engaged in another matter potentially damaging to the rival company, according to a person familiar with the matter. The same thumb drive was later obtained by investigators, and someone using the initials “R.A.” had gained access to its contents, according to court papers.

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An investigator for the targeted company also testified that he had followed Mr. Akhmetshin in January 2014 to a meeting at London’s Cafe Royal and watched him hand over an external hard drive to another individual. He said he had overheard Mr. Akhmetshin claim that he had paid a team of Russian hackers “a lot of money” for the records.

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Mr. Akhmetshin told journalists that he was a longtime acquaintance of Paul J. Manafort, who served as a high-paid consultant to Mr. Yanukovych for years before becoming chairman of the Trump campaign. Jason Maloni, a spokesman for Mr. Manafort, said, “Paul doesn’t know and hasn’t worked with the man.”

Last year, Mr. Akhmetshin took on a new project high on the Kremlin’s agenda: a $240,000 lobbying campaign to amend the Magnitsky Act, which imposes sanctions on Russians for human rights abuses. The law was named after Sergei L. Magnitsky, a Russian tax lawyer who died in custody after he uncovered a $230 million tax fraud allegedly tied to Russian officials. Several wealthy Russian businessmen financed a nonprofit group to spearhead the campaign, which was represented by Mr. Akhmetshin and a Russian lawyer named Natalia Veselnitskaya.

Donald J. Trump Jr. has said the promise of damaging information about Hillary Clinton was just an excuse for Ms. Veselnitskaya to get into Trump Tower to talk about why the law should be changed. Mr. Akhmetshin, a Washington resident, has told reporters that he just happened to be lunching with Ms. Veselnitskaya in Manhattan that day when she spontaneously invited him to the meeting with the president’s son, son-in-law Jared Kushner and Mr. Manafort. He did not explain why she wanted him there.

After Mr. Akhmetshin’s presence came to light, a spokesman for Mr. Putin, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters: “We don’t know anything about this person.”

On August 22 2017 00:09 Plansix wrote:
If someone could point me to a few well written articles that doesn’t degrade into “but the liberals”, I would be more than happen to read it. After about an hour of searching for full length articles, I didn’t find much worth discussing and was sort of in awe of how hard it pandered.

On August 21 2017 15:21 Mohdoo wrote:

I know, right? Isn't it just such a shame you even asked? I can't help but just feel so sorry for you after going through all that trouble. I would just feel so bummed and so discouraged if I were you. The world is such a sad place :'(

Edit: btw, remember how in my post I said I refuse to believe it's related to Trump? It's ok *pat pat*

On August 22 2017 00:27 Plansix wrote:
Something congress should have addressed long before it got to this point. But they were to busy trying to pass a horrible healthcare bill.

My god, what if they can’t make payroll. Is that even possible?

It’s true that Lee failed. His dream of a new South descended into Jim Crow after he died. This is in fact the best argument that those who want these statues gone can make: that the “reconciliation” between North and South was done on the backs of blacks, and that the end of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow were the price America paid to have peace in the aftermath of civil war. From a historical point of view, it’s almost convincing, even though what American blacks suffered under segregation was nothing compared to what liberalism has inflicted on them since the 1950s, as it destroyed their families, their schools, and their young men and women’s lives through drugs and guns and the gangster-rap culture “lifestyle,” which is really a death style.