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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 26 2017 22:22 GMT
#164061
On July 27 2017 07:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:01 Doodsmack wrote:


Simple solution: ban people with ED from the military. You can even test for that, unlike being trans!

People who aren't fit for service shouldn't be allowed into the military. Simple science. /s
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2017 22:23 GMT
#164062
If you can't serve your lad or lady, you can't serve your country. It is that simple.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 26 2017 22:24 GMT
#164063
On July 27 2017 07:22 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On July 27 2017 07:01 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/890310813956923392


Simple solution: ban people with ED from the military. You can even test for that, unlike being trans!

People who aren't fit for service shouldn't be allowed into the military. Simple science. /s


I think we need to define service there.
On track to MA1950A.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 26 2017 22:24 GMT
#164064
On July 27 2017 07:23 Plansix wrote:
If you can't serve your lad or lady, you can't serve your country. It is that simple.


If you're not able to use your cannon properly, you're not fit for service.
On track to MA1950A.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42784 Posts
July 26 2017 22:24 GMT
#164065
Will you stand tall when lady liberty comes to call?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2017 22:25 GMT
#164066
This discussion is at least 10 time better than the garbage pile from yesterday.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 26 2017 22:25 GMT
#164067
Of course, my boss is paying for cialis!
On track to MA1950A.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42784 Posts
July 26 2017 22:25 GMT
#164068
The proud members of our armed forces will never yield.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 26 2017 22:28 GMT
#164069
This is my rifle, this my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun.
Neosteel Enthusiast
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 22:34:59
July 26 2017 22:28 GMT
#164070
On July 27 2017 07:22 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:01 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/890310813956923392


Said that earlier already.

Also, ten times isn't even close to the real number, according to the DHA.

edit: sidenote, it's kinda bonkers that the military pays for that. Didn't think that being able to shag properly is a prerequisite for being a soldier.


To be fair to the military, paying for ED meds is probably not "as many ED meds as you want are free." Unless their healthcare/insurance plans really are really super duper mega plus good, instead of just super good.

They're probably still paying a $50 copay for 4 pills like anyone else (maybe only $25) with about $100 bucks of cost eaten by the military. It's just that (shockingly) there are far, far more middle- or older-aged men in the military than there are trans men or women undergoing transition.

Edit: From checking out a Tricare formulary, you do actually get 0 buck copay for Viagra, but it's six tablets per 30 days. Much higher copay for Cialis (and Cialis is non-formulary for active duty anyway). 49 dollars for 18 tablets is a pretty good deal for Cialis though tbh
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 26 2017 22:32 GMT
#164071
On July 27 2017 07:25 KwarK wrote:
The proud members of our armed forces will never yield.

Begs the question why they're not called the legged forces.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 22:37:19
July 26 2017 22:34 GMT
#164072
On July 27 2017 07:32 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:25 KwarK wrote:
The proud members of our armed forces will never yield.

Begs the question why they're not called the legged forces.


Three legged?

To be fair to the military, paying for ED meds is probably not "as many ED meds as you want are free." Unless their healthcare/insurance plans really are really super duper mega plus good, instead of just super good.


Well, that kinda doesn't make it better now, does it? Especially not in the wake of arguing that trans people are "to expensive in maintenance".

49 dollars for 18 tablets is a pretty good deal for Cialis though tbh


IIRC cialis lasts for 36 hours as well, rather than 4ish for viagra. Not really the point tho ^^
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 26 2017 23:16 GMT
#164073
House and Senate Republicans clashed Wednesday over a bipartisan package of sanctions targeting Russia, Iran, and North Korea as the Senate GOP threw up a new hurdle that could significantly delay the bill's arrival on President Donald Trump's desk.

Less than 24 hours after the sanctions deal passed the House 419-3, Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said his chamber would likely cut out its North Korea provisions -- which were added to the mix in the last lap of talks on the legislation at the behest of House GOP leaders -- and send it back across the Capitol. House Republican leaders responded to Corker's gambit by urging the Senate to act quickly on the bill and warning that any changes would postpone Trump's looming decision on a veto until September.

Corker, a leading author of the initial package of penalties against Russia and Iran, had stayed conspicuously silent as senior House and Senate negotiators in both parties unveiled a deal Saturday that allows Congress to block Trump from easing or ending any sanctions against Moscow.

His critical comments Wednesday morning risk reopening fellow Republicans to Democratic charges that they are delaying the bill's final passage at the behest of a president who has long dismissed U.S. intelligence agencies' conclusion that Russia meddled in the presidential election.

Two congressional sources told POLITICO Wednesday afternoon that Republicans are nearing an agreement that would allow the Senate to send the sanctions bill to Trump's desk before the August recess, although details of any such agreement remain unclear.

Corker sounded a similar note, telling reporters later Wednesday that Republicans were "a phone call away" from reaching agreement that would put the sanctions bill back on track to hit Trump's desk before the August recess. But earlier in the day, he had rattled the House GOP with critical remarks about its North Korea addition.

The North Korea sanctions are "something we have never sat down and worked through the language on like we did with the other pieces" of the sanctions package, Corker said Wednesday morning at an event hosted by the Washington Post. "So we have people in our body that want to weigh in on those issues."

"What likely will happen is we will strip out the North Korea piece and send it back to them so that the two pieces that we’ve negotiated together will remain intact," Corker added.

The office of House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who first pressed to add North Korea to the bill, responded by urging the Senate to "act expeditiously" on the bill that cleared the lower chamber Tuesday.

“There has long been agreement that North Korea sanctions are due -- especially given new reports that North Korea will be able to reliably deliver a nuclear weapon to the continental United States by the end of next year," McCarthy spokesman Matt Sparks said by email.

Excising the North Korea language and forcing the House to vote again on only the Russia and Iran portions of the bill, Sparks said, "would ensure the bill does not become law" before lawmakers leave Washington for their annual August recess.

House Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce (R-Calif.) sounded a similar note in a Wednesday statement, noting that the Senate failed to act on the House's North Korea sanctions "even after Kim Jong Un launched a new [intercontinental ballistic missile] that could soon be capable of hitting California."

"Further delay on North Korea is completely unacceptable," Royce added.

Corker said later Wednesday that House Republicans were fully aware of his objections to the addition of the North Korea penalties before they trumpeted a bipartisan, bicameral deal on Saturday.

"Every office, every meeting — it would be better to deal with North Korea at another time," Corker said, outlining his communications with House counterparts. "We expressed concerns about it. They decided to add it, and I don't take affront. I'm just trying to pass a piece of legislation. We've had a good working relationship."

Corker told reporters that he had a "fulsome conversation" with McCarthy about his concerns. Asked what changes he might seek to the bill, Corker said that some Republicans want to add language giving Congress the power to block Trump from making changes to North Korea sanctions — similar to the legislation's Russia handcuffs on the president, which the White House has resisted.

The White House has avoided taking any firm position on the sanctions bill, which would allow Congress to block Trump from easing or ending penalties against Vladimir Putin's government. After initially saying they would press House Republicans to give Trump more leeway to warm relations with Putin, Trump aides appeared to concede when Saturday's deal included none of the major changes they had sought by signaling they would accept the technical tweaks that bipartisan negotiators did agree to.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:42:11
July 26 2017 23:39 GMT
#164074
On July 27 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 07:32 NewSunshine wrote:
On July 27 2017 07:25 KwarK wrote:
The proud members of our armed forces will never yield.

Begs the question why they're not called the legged forces.


Three legged?

Show nested quote +
To be fair to the military, paying for ED meds is probably not "as many ED meds as you want are free." Unless their healthcare/insurance plans really are really super duper mega plus good, instead of just super good.


Well, that kinda doesn't make it better now, does it? Especially not in the wake of arguing that trans people are "to expensive in maintenance".

Show nested quote +
49 dollars for 18 tablets is a pretty good deal for Cialis though tbh


IIRC cialis lasts for 36 hours as well, rather than 4ish for viagra. Not really the point tho ^^


Oh of course the cost argument is total nonsense. From volume alone it's almost inconceivable to have transitions outweigh any number of things the military covers (I suspect it is outweighed by hypertensive meds for that matter).

I've just seen people in the past (not necessarily here, but smart people) equate "covers ED pills" with "you can get them for free in a large 30-day supply" and wanted to caution against that and try to make sure people didn't think the military is going over and above to pay for ED medication when it's basically just doing what your generic insurance plan would do with perhaps a slightly better deal because the military gets better deals on everything. Probably including gender reassignment surgery.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 26 2017 23:53 GMT
#164075
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
July 26 2017 23:54 GMT
#164076
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 23:57:15
July 26 2017 23:56 GMT
#164077
On July 27 2017 08:54 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/890345915663486977

The public's understanding of US history may never recover from this shameless administration.

On July 27 2017 08:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/890356189585956875


I did not think it as possible for them to craft a shittier bill. Well played GOP, well played. You win this round. I will not under estimate you again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 00:03:32
July 27 2017 00:02 GMT
#164078
There's no two year delay on the skinny repeal? I assumed there was still, and they were going to make into a real bill before it went into action.

Are they really going to put forward a "plan" that has no cohesive framework? That sounds like electoral suicide. There's now way that'll pass.

That said, I'm still trying to figure out why the media assessments of these focus on the change in the number of uninsured patients. Obamacare is literally mandatory insurance; of course the new plan is going to have the number of uninsured rise. The point is to make give patients them the choice of whether they want to purchase health insurance and to make the system more efficient.

I'm not at all claiming that the GOP bill does that or that's necessarily the correct way to go (my relatively uninformed opinion is that the ACA seems preferable), but comparing the bills by number of uninsured is still a totally slanted way for the media to cover the healthcare bills.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2017 00:04 GMT
#164079
Because losing or dropping healthcare does not change the amount of healthcare they need. It just changes when they get it. It used to be at the emergency room and the tax payer picked up the tab.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
July 27 2017 00:21 GMT
#164080
skinny repeal will be bad. you can't just repeal the stuff people don't like and have it work. if that was the case they wouldn't have put the stuff in the original bill
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
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