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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-20 22:17:40
July 20 2017 22:17 GMT
#162861
American Legislative Exchange Council, or better known as group of cooperate interests that writes laws and hands them off to state legislatures to be rubber stamped. Very essence of legalized corruption and denial of the public political process. Rich people trying to destroy teh public school system and replace it with something they can profit from. Disgusting on so many levels.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2017 22:22 GMT
#162862
haha

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 20 2017 22:33 GMT
#162863
On July 21 2017 07:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
haha

https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/887997477680533504


No more military bases for Japan.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-20 22:49:44
July 20 2017 22:47 GMT
#162864
Among the many mysteries surrounding Donald Trump’s finances as a real-estate mogul—and the conflicts of interest that might be revealed by his tax returns, were he ever to release them—is his long history of debt. The issue is not merely what Trump owes, but who he owes. As critics noted on the campaign trail, Trump’s habit of reneging on contracts and suing his lenders meant that virtually nobody on Wall Street wanted to work with him, with one exception: Deutsche Bank, which had loaned him hundreds of millions of dollars when no one else would, even after he sued the firm. Now, investigators probing the ties between the Trump campaign and Russia are wondering why—and they’re beginning to take a closer look at the president’s accounts with his favorite bank, which also happens to have strong ties to Russia itself.

The New York Times reports that banking regulators are currently “reviewing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans made to Mr. Trump’s businesses through Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management unit . . . to [see] if the loans might expose the bank to heightened risk.” Meanwhile, the Guardian reports that executives at Deutsche are “expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller,” and that the special counsel’s investigative team and the bank have “already established informal contact in connection to the federal investigation.”

There’s certainly plenty to look into. Over the last 20 years, Trump has received more than $4 billion in loan commitments and potential bond offerings from the German lender, despite suing the company in 2008 when he fell behind on payments on the $640 million loan he was given to build Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago. Incredibly, in order to avoid paying the $40 million he had personally guaranteed, Trump and his lawyer argued that “Deutsche Bank is one of the banks primarily responsible for the economic dysfunction we are currently facing”—i.e. the global financial crisis—and therefore it should pay him $3 billion in damages under the extraordinary event clause in his contract. Naturally, the bank countersued, calling the real-estate developer’s claim “classic Trump.” In the end, after threatening to take his name off the building if he wasn’t granted more time to pay, the bank gave Trump extra time; when he did pay the money he owed to the firm’s real-estate lending division, it was with another loan he got from Deutsche’s wealth-management unit. Trump subsequently moved his business from the real estate group to the private wealth management group, where, according to the Times, “executives were more willing to deal with him.” One of those executives was Rosemary Vrablic, who has helped finance three Trump properties over the last six years, lending $300 million in the process. That amount is “somewhat unusual by Wall Street standards,” former and current Deutsche Bank executives and wealth managers at other firms on Wall Street told the Times.

In addition to Donald, Ivanka Trump is also said to be a Deutsche Bank client, as is Jared Kushner and his mother, who, per the Times, have “an unsecured line of credit from Deutsche Bank, valued at up to $25 million.” In addition, the Kushner family business, Kushner Companies, got a $285 million loan from the bank last year. And because the Kushners and Trumps have never shied away from conflicts of interest, in 2013, Kushner reportedly “ordered up a glowing profile of [Vrablic] in the real estate magazine he owned,” with a disclosure about their connection at the very end of the piece.

Apart from the Trumps and Kushners, Deutsche Bank also has deep ties to Russia. In addition to settling allegations earlier this year that it allowed $10 billion to be laundered out of Eastern Europe, Deutsche Bank had a “cooperation agreement” with Vnesheconombank, a Russian state-owned development bank that is the target of U.S. economic sanctions. Vnesheconombank, for those who need a refresher, was the bank whose chief executive, Sergey Gorkov, Jared Kushner forgot to mention meeting in December. Oh, and there’s also this:

. . . in May, federal prosecutors settled a case with a Cyprus investment vehicle owned by a Russian businessman with close family connections to the Kremlin. The firm, Prevezon Holdings, was represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who was among the people who met during the presidential campaign with Donald Trump Jr. about Hillary Clinton. Federal prosecutors in the United States claimed Prevezon, which admitted no wrongdoing, laundered the proceeds of an alleged Russian tax fraud through real estate. Prevezon and its partner relied in part on $90 million in financing from a big European financial institution, court records show. It was Deutsche Bank.

In an interview with the Times published late Wednesday night, Trump, when asked if he thought Mueller’s investigation would “cross a red line” if it began to examine his “family’s finances beyond any relationship to Russia,” said “I would say yes. I think that’s a violation.”


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 20 2017 22:59 GMT
#162865
On July 21 2017 07:33 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2017 07:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
haha

https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/887997477680533504


No more military bases for Japan.


I'm sure they'll be devastated to not have ospreys raining on them anymore.
On track to MA1950A.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 20 2017 23:18 GMT
#162866
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
July 20 2017 23:21 GMT
#162867
Even Fox News wishes Hillary was President.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23488 Posts
July 20 2017 23:24 GMT
#162868
On July 21 2017 08:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Even Fox News wishes Hillary was President.


Probably more than anyone but Hillary herself.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
July 21 2017 00:38 GMT
#162869
Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41.

White privilege is real.

User was warned for this post
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
July 21 2017 00:40 GMT
#162870
On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote:
Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41.

White privilege is real.

What relevance is this?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2017 00:47 GMT
#162871
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 21 2017 00:50 GMT
#162872
Unfortunately there is little recourse for the fact that most politicians are scientifically illiterate enough to actually buy into this brand of hypey bullshit.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2017 00:54 GMT
#162873
On July 21 2017 09:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote:
Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41.

White privilege is real.

What relevance is this?

I'm am equally confused. And also sad, he seemed like an ok guy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 21 2017 01:01 GMT
#162874
On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote:
Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41.

White privilege is real.

While sad, it has its own thread. Mostly because it has nothing to do with politics.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
July 21 2017 01:01 GMT
#162875
Perhaps a person can roll white, male, cisgendered, straight, able-bodied, American, talented, extroverted, go on to be obscenely successful and rich and still have a really, really shitty time in this world. To the point of offing themselves in some bathroom.

Just random thoughts at 3 AM.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 01:08:46
July 21 2017 01:05 GMT
#162876
On July 21 2017 09:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote:
Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41.

White privilege is real.

What relevance is this?


American hero.

RIP to the vocalist of my angsty teen years

Edit: Didn't realize there was another thread already dedicated to him!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
July 21 2017 01:07 GMT
#162877
On July 21 2017 10:01 Kickboxer wrote:
Perhaps a person can roll white, male, cisgendered, straight, able-bodied, American, talented, extroverted, go on to be obscenely successful and rich and still have a really, really shitty time in this world. To the point of offing themselves in some bathroom.

Just random thoughts at 3 AM.


Yes, depression can happen to even the genetically luckiest of us all, as can other psychological and social issues. I'm thinking Robin Williams too, and so many others.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12363 Posts
July 21 2017 01:11 GMT
#162878
On July 21 2017 10:01 Kickboxer wrote:
Perhaps a person can roll white, male, cisgendered, straight, able-bodied, American, talented, extroverted, go on to be obscenely successful and rich and still have a really, really shitty time in this world. To the point of offing themselves in some bathroom.

Just random thoughts at 3 AM.


Do you really need someone to walk you through why this doesn't make sense?
No will to live, no wish to die
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45078 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-21 01:13:00
July 21 2017 01:12 GMT
#162879
On July 21 2017 09:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/888098753709821952


Why is it bonkers? Our train system is heavily outdated compared to the speed and efficiency of many other countries. It would be cool if we could have a bullet train/ speed rail -esque mode of transportation, and Elon Musk certainly has enough money and is enough of a visionary to get it started.

A vacuum-sealed tunnel that can whizz passengers from New York to Philadelphia to Baltimore to Washington DC has been given “verbal" approval by the US government, says Elon Musk.

Hm.

Elon Musk is a man known and admired for his outlandish plans for our technological future. But even by his standards, Thursday's “announcement” (and I’m loath to call it that) was a real whopper.

Tweet one: "Just received verbal govt approval for The Boring Company to build an underground NY-Phil-Balt-DC Hyperloop. NY-DC in 29 mins.”

Tweet two: "City center to city center in each case, with up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city.”

Tweet three: "Still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval, but am optimistic that will occur rapidly.”

When pressed for more (read: any) information on the deal, neither Tesla nor The Boring Company - a new tunnel-digging company launched by Mr Musk in late 2016 - wanted to share any added substance.

But a spokesman for The Boring Company did say that it intends to break ground on the project this year.

"The Boring Company has had a number of promising conversations with local, state and federal government officials,” the company told the BBC.

"With a few exceptions, feedback has been very positive and we have received verbal support from key government decision-makers for tunnelling plans, including a Hyperloop route from New York to Washington DC.

"We look forward to future conversations with the cities and states along this route and we expect to secure the formal approvals necessary to break ground later this year.”

Hugely ambitious - and to be clear, the company confirmed to me it does expect to start digging before the end of 2017, not just have approval.

'Promising conversations'

We've been trying to track down whom exactly Mr Musk might have been talking to about this. I won’t keep you in suspense: we failed.

Firstly, it is not clear where this “verbal government approval” could possibly have come from, given that no government entity - even if it were the president himself - could make such an assurance given the complexity of laying out such a plan.

One suggestion was that the handshake came via the Office of American Innovation (OAI)- a new White House department run by President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner. He has expressed interest in the project, but when asked by the BBC on Thursday, a spokeswoman for the OAI would not confirm any “verbal approval” had been given.

She said the White House has had "promising conversations to date” with Mr Musk and was "committed to transformative infrastructure projects, and believe our greatest solutions have often come from the ingenuity and drive of the private sector”. But that’s it.

Maybe, then, Mr Musk had been setting about getting more localised buy-in for the idea. But of the transport authorities that responded to the BBC’s requests on Thursday, none had the faintest idea what was going on.

"Were asking around to see if anyone at SEPTA knows more about this, but so far have not come up with anything,” said a spokesperson for the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, which covers Philadelphia, one of the cities on the planned hyperloop route.

Pennsylvania's governor Tom Wolf was also in the dark - though we're told he's keen to know more about the idea.

And in New York City: "The New York State Department of Transportation did not give verbal approval for a hyperloop,” a spokesperson told the BBC.

Suffice it to say, Mr Musk’s promise of “rapid” formal approval seems way, way off the mark. It takes a committee to move a lamppost in America, let alone a multi-tunnel transport ecosystem that would be the most ambitious infrastructure the US will have seen since it began building freeways way back in the 1930s.

There was a video doing the rounds on social media recently showing Elon Musk being interviewed by CBS in 2014. In it, he tears up as he’s told, by some of his personal heroes, that his vision for space travel is bogus. Others said his electric car business was going nowhere.

He’s made huge leaps in proving them wrong. But on this it’s hard to see how his comments can be taken as anything other than desperately premature. My hunch is that Mr Musk is simply on a sales pitch - laying the ground work, quite literally, for The Boring Company to get some major investment.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40677604
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2017 01:24 GMT
#162880
musk is fishing for government subsidies. it's his business model. our current admin doesnt really have much interest in electric cars, but infrastructure is a little more their thing.

and verbal approval, lol. i can think of a dozen things needed for a rail like that and i bet he's got zero of them.
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