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Plansix
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Doodsmack
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On July 21 2017 07:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: haha https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/887997477680533504 No more military bases for Japan. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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Among the many mysteries surrounding Donald Trump’s finances as a real-estate mogul—and the conflicts of interest that might be revealed by his tax returns, were he ever to release them—is his long history of debt. The issue is not merely what Trump owes, but who he owes. As critics noted on the campaign trail, Trump’s habit of reneging on contracts and suing his lenders meant that virtually nobody on Wall Street wanted to work with him, with one exception: Deutsche Bank, which had loaned him hundreds of millions of dollars when no one else would, even after he sued the firm. Now, investigators probing the ties between the Trump campaign and Russia are wondering why—and they’re beginning to take a closer look at the president’s accounts with his favorite bank, which also happens to have strong ties to Russia itself. The New York Times reports that banking regulators are currently “reviewing hundreds of millions of dollars in loans made to Mr. Trump’s businesses through Deutsche Bank’s private wealth management unit . . . to [see] if the loans might expose the bank to heightened risk.” Meanwhile, the Guardian reports that executives at Deutsche are “expecting that the bank will soon be receiving subpoenas or other requests for information from Robert Mueller,” and that the special counsel’s investigative team and the bank have “already established informal contact in connection to the federal investigation.” There’s certainly plenty to look into. Over the last 20 years, Trump has received more than $4 billion in loan commitments and potential bond offerings from the German lender, despite suing the company in 2008 when he fell behind on payments on the $640 million loan he was given to build Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago. Incredibly, in order to avoid paying the $40 million he had personally guaranteed, Trump and his lawyer argued that “Deutsche Bank is one of the banks primarily responsible for the economic dysfunction we are currently facing”—i.e. the global financial crisis—and therefore it should pay him $3 billion in damages under the extraordinary event clause in his contract. Naturally, the bank countersued, calling the real-estate developer’s claim “classic Trump.” In the end, after threatening to take his name off the building if he wasn’t granted more time to pay, the bank gave Trump extra time; when he did pay the money he owed to the firm’s real-estate lending division, it was with another loan he got from Deutsche’s wealth-management unit. Trump subsequently moved his business from the real estate group to the private wealth management group, where, according to the Times, “executives were more willing to deal with him.” One of those executives was Rosemary Vrablic, who has helped finance three Trump properties over the last six years, lending $300 million in the process. That amount is “somewhat unusual by Wall Street standards,” former and current Deutsche Bank executives and wealth managers at other firms on Wall Street told the Times. In addition to Donald, Ivanka Trump is also said to be a Deutsche Bank client, as is Jared Kushner and his mother, who, per the Times, have “an unsecured line of credit from Deutsche Bank, valued at up to $25 million.” In addition, the Kushner family business, Kushner Companies, got a $285 million loan from the bank last year. And because the Kushners and Trumps have never shied away from conflicts of interest, in 2013, Kushner reportedly “ordered up a glowing profile of [Vrablic] in the real estate magazine he owned,” with a disclosure about their connection at the very end of the piece. Apart from the Trumps and Kushners, Deutsche Bank also has deep ties to Russia. In addition to settling allegations earlier this year that it allowed $10 billion to be laundered out of Eastern Europe, Deutsche Bank had a “cooperation agreement” with Vnesheconombank, a Russian state-owned development bank that is the target of U.S. economic sanctions. Vnesheconombank, for those who need a refresher, was the bank whose chief executive, Sergey Gorkov, Jared Kushner forgot to mention meeting in December. Oh, and there’s also this: . . . in May, federal prosecutors settled a case with a Cyprus investment vehicle owned by a Russian businessman with close family connections to the Kremlin. The firm, Prevezon Holdings, was represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who was among the people who met during the presidential campaign with Donald Trump Jr. about Hillary Clinton. Federal prosecutors in the United States claimed Prevezon, which admitted no wrongdoing, laundered the proceeds of an alleged Russian tax fraud through real estate. Prevezon and its partner relied in part on $90 million in financing from a big European financial institution, court records show. It was Deutsche Bank. In an interview with the Times published late Wednesday night, Trump, when asked if he thought Mueller’s investigation would “cross a red line” if it began to examine his “family’s finances beyond any relationship to Russia,” said “I would say yes. I think that’s a violation.” Source | ||
m4ini
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Doodsmack
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WolfintheSheep
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GreenHorizons
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On July 21 2017 08:21 WolfintheSheep wrote: Even Fox News wishes Hillary was President. Probably more than anyone but Hillary herself. | ||
Kickboxer
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White privilege is real. User was warned for this post | ||
Gahlo
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On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote: Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41. White privilege is real. What relevance is this? | ||
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Plansix
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I'm am equally confused. And also sad, he seemed like an ok guy. | ||
NewSunshine
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On July 21 2017 09:38 Kickboxer wrote: Wtf Chester Bennington dead of suicide at 41. White privilege is real. While sad, it has its own thread. Mostly because it has nothing to do with politics. | ||
Kickboxer
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Just random thoughts at 3 AM. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
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American hero. RIP to the vocalist of my angsty teen years ![]() Edit: Didn't realize there was another thread already dedicated to him! | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 21 2017 10:01 Kickboxer wrote: Perhaps a person can roll white, male, cisgendered, straight, able-bodied, American, talented, extroverted, go on to be obscenely successful and rich and still have a really, really shitty time in this world. To the point of offing themselves in some bathroom. Just random thoughts at 3 AM. Yes, depression can happen to even the genetically luckiest of us all, as can other psychological and social issues. I'm thinking Robin Williams too, and so many others. | ||
Nebuchad
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On July 21 2017 10:01 Kickboxer wrote: Perhaps a person can roll white, male, cisgendered, straight, able-bodied, American, talented, extroverted, go on to be obscenely successful and rich and still have a really, really shitty time in this world. To the point of offing themselves in some bathroom. Just random thoughts at 3 AM. Do you really need someone to walk you through why this doesn't make sense? | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
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On July 21 2017 09:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/tsrandall/status/888098753709821952 Why is it bonkers? Our train system is heavily outdated compared to the speed and efficiency of many other countries. It would be cool if we could have a bullet train/ speed rail -esque mode of transportation, and Elon Musk certainly has enough money and is enough of a visionary to get it started. A vacuum-sealed tunnel that can whizz passengers from New York to Philadelphia to Baltimore to Washington DC has been given “verbal" approval by the US government, says Elon Musk. Hm. Elon Musk is a man known and admired for his outlandish plans for our technological future. But even by his standards, Thursday's “announcement” (and I’m loath to call it that) was a real whopper. Tweet one: "Just received verbal govt approval for The Boring Company to build an underground NY-Phil-Balt-DC Hyperloop. NY-DC in 29 mins.” Tweet two: "City center to city center in each case, with up to a dozen or more entry/exit elevators in each city.” Tweet three: "Still a lot of work needed to receive formal approval, but am optimistic that will occur rapidly.” When pressed for more (read: any) information on the deal, neither Tesla nor The Boring Company - a new tunnel-digging company launched by Mr Musk in late 2016 - wanted to share any added substance. But a spokesman for The Boring Company did say that it intends to break ground on the project this year. "The Boring Company has had a number of promising conversations with local, state and federal government officials,” the company told the BBC. "With a few exceptions, feedback has been very positive and we have received verbal support from key government decision-makers for tunnelling plans, including a Hyperloop route from New York to Washington DC. "We look forward to future conversations with the cities and states along this route and we expect to secure the formal approvals necessary to break ground later this year.” Hugely ambitious - and to be clear, the company confirmed to me it does expect to start digging before the end of 2017, not just have approval. 'Promising conversations' We've been trying to track down whom exactly Mr Musk might have been talking to about this. I won’t keep you in suspense: we failed. Firstly, it is not clear where this “verbal government approval” could possibly have come from, given that no government entity - even if it were the president himself - could make such an assurance given the complexity of laying out such a plan. One suggestion was that the handshake came via the Office of American Innovation (OAI)- a new White House department run by President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner. He has expressed interest in the project, but when asked by the BBC on Thursday, a spokeswoman for the OAI would not confirm any “verbal approval” had been given. She said the White House has had "promising conversations to date” with Mr Musk and was "committed to transformative infrastructure projects, and believe our greatest solutions have often come from the ingenuity and drive of the private sector”. But that’s it. Maybe, then, Mr Musk had been setting about getting more localised buy-in for the idea. But of the transport authorities that responded to the BBC’s requests on Thursday, none had the faintest idea what was going on. "Were asking around to see if anyone at SEPTA knows more about this, but so far have not come up with anything,” said a spokesperson for the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, which covers Philadelphia, one of the cities on the planned hyperloop route. Pennsylvania's governor Tom Wolf was also in the dark - though we're told he's keen to know more about the idea. And in New York City: "The New York State Department of Transportation did not give verbal approval for a hyperloop,” a spokesperson told the BBC. Suffice it to say, Mr Musk’s promise of “rapid” formal approval seems way, way off the mark. It takes a committee to move a lamppost in America, let alone a multi-tunnel transport ecosystem that would be the most ambitious infrastructure the US will have seen since it began building freeways way back in the 1930s. There was a video doing the rounds on social media recently showing Elon Musk being interviewed by CBS in 2014. In it, he tears up as he’s told, by some of his personal heroes, that his vision for space travel is bogus. Others said his electric car business was going nowhere. He’s made huge leaps in proving them wrong. But on this it’s hard to see how his comments can be taken as anything other than desperately premature. My hunch is that Mr Musk is simply on a sales pitch - laying the ground work, quite literally, for The Boring Company to get some major investment. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40677604 | ||
ticklishmusic
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and verbal approval, lol. i can think of a dozen things needed for a rail like that and i bet he's got zero of them. | ||
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