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LegalLord
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Jared Kushner's status as a top aide to President Donald Trump was used to lure Chinese investors to his family's New Jersey development, even after his family's company apologized for mentioning his name during a sales pitch in May, CNN has found. References to Kushner are part of online promotions by two businesses that are working with Kushner Companies to find Chinese investors willing to invest in the 1 Journal Square development in exchange for a US visa. www.cnn.com | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:24 ticklishmusic wrote: musk is fishing for government subsidies. it's his business model. our current admin doesnt really have much interest in electric cars, but infrastructure is a little more their thing. and verbal approval, lol. i can think of a dozen things needed for a rail like that and i bet he's got zero of them. Oh, I don't doubt for a second that he's got nowhere near the level of approval that he needs lol. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh, I don't doubt for a second that he's got nowhere near the level of approval that he needs lol. With 95% certainty I will say what happened was that he spoke to Trump or a close surrogate and dazzled them with his fantastic sounding bullshit until they gave some form of statement of approval. He then decided to turn that into one of his standard Twitter hype statements with no necessity of follow-up because our collective short term memory isn't long enough to last between two bullshits. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:49 LegalLord wrote: With 95% certainty I will say what happened was that he spoke to Trump or a close surrogate and dazzled them with his fantastic sounding bullshit until they gave some form of statement of approval. He then decided to turn that into one of his standard Twitter hype statements with no necessity of follow-up because our collective short term memory isn't long enough to last between two bullshits. What's so bullshit about having land transportation faster than our standard train system? Or what exactly am I missing here? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On July 21 2017 10:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What's so bullshit about having land transportation faster than our standard train system? Or what exactly am I missing here? He's upset because it's Musk, he's anti Musk. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This is totally normal. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: He's upset because it's Musk, he's anti Musk. Oh. Like anti-innovation? Anti-visionary? Anti- rich people doing something that may actually have a benefit on society? Even if all of Elon Musk's crazy ideas don't end up bearing fruit, I'm firmly convinced that he's trying to do good for society. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What's so bullshit about having land transportation faster than our standard train system? Or what exactly am I missing here? You're missing the absurd challenges involved in making a gigantic vacuum tube. Both engineering and logistical. Musk is the patron saint of internet "scientists" but if you look at any of his ideas with any rigor they fall apart quite quickly. You could potentially make a plain old maglev, but that probably doesn't work too great for the specific project in question. Still leagues ahead of the underground hypeloop. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:54 ShoCkeyy wrote: He's upset because it's Musk, he's anti Musk. I'm anti bullshit artist and anti e-scientist, yes. Not my fault that he is pretty much the epitome of that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/jasonleopold/status/888205302893608960 This is totally normal. I don't know all of the nuances surrounding who the President can and cannot pardon, so pleeeeease tell me that Trump can't arbitrarily pardon himself. That would be fucked up. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:58 LegalLord wrote: You're missing the absurd challenges involved in making a gigantic vacuum tube. Both engineering and logistical. Musk is the patron saint of internet "scientists" but if you look at any of his ideas with any rigor they fall apart quite quickly. You could potentially make a plain old maglev, but that probably doesn't work too great for the specific project in question. Still leagues ahead of the underground hypeloop. I can't speak to the hyperloop specifically, but I was under the impression that both Tesla and SpaceX had slowly been getting somewhere? I agree that such innovative plans can't happen overnight/ within a few months or sometimes even a few years, but I thought that these things could realistically happen gradually, at the very least? | ||
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Plansix
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zlefin
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On July 21 2017 10:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't know all of the nuances surrounding who the President can and cannot pardon, so pleeeeease tell me that Trump can't arbitrarily pardon himself. That would be fucked up. it's not known whether he can or not; i'ts never been tested in the supreme court, and noone has tried yet. so it's unknown law. and the constitution itself is unclear on the point. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 21 2017 11:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I can't speak to the hyperloop specifically, but I was under the impression that both Tesla and SpaceX had slowly been getting somewhere? I agree that such innovative plans can't happen overnight/ within a few months or sometimes even a few years, but I thought that these things could realistically happen gradually, at the very least? Tesla is at what is probably their endgame. Even if it's Musk I find it hard to imagine that they will survive the failure of the Model 3 intact. And there are good reasons to think they will not succeed. SpaceX is not profitable but not bad, per se. But their fancier ideas are almost certainly going nowhere. That is a harder one to explain, but I have my doubts about their future. Long explanation of why. Add in the dependence on lobbying, subsidies, and development of a cult of personality, and treating employees like shit, and his hype base looks less like a support of innovation and more like a widespread failure to see a charming scum for the snake that he is: a Donald Trump for surface level science fans. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
teslas are really nice, but honestly from a human ingenuity perspective, they're more an iphone 6 rather than a cure for cancer. sleek, very nice and cool, but technically not super special. same thing for solarcity. tesla is kind of the leader in EV's right now, but chevy, toyota and others are literally right behind them and they'll probably zoom on past soon because operationally tesla is a mess. i'm okay with spacex, though it's concerning how incestuous the relationship is between musk's companies. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46687 Posts
On July 21 2017 11:12 LegalLord wrote: Tesla is at what is probably their endgame. Even if it's Musk I find it hard to imagine that they will survive the failure of the Model 3 intact. And there are good reasons to think they will not succeed. SpaceX is not profitable but not bad, per se. But their fancier ideas are almost certainly going nowhere. That is a harder one to explain, but I have my doubts about their future. Long explanation of why. Add in the dependence on lobbying, subsidies, and development of a cult of personality, and treating employees like shit, and his hype base looks less like a support of innovation and more like a widespread failure to see a charming scum for the snake that he is: a Donald Trump for surface level science fans. Thanks (to you and others) for a more in-depth explanation and analysis on Musk and his projects  I have much more research to do! | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:33 Doodsmack wrote: Just some more crooked corruption by the 35 year old in charge of Mid East peace and innovation, among other things. www.cnn.com That is Real Corruption. The real stuff. Straight selling access to power in return for investments. | ||
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Noidberg
United States17 Posts
On July 21 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/jasonleopold/status/888205302893608960 This is totally normal. WTF. Trump is looking really suspect here from his lashing out at Sessions recusal to his appointees to his families ties to Russia. Does Trump really expect to work with yes men who will look past his ventures and collusion with Russia, a not so friendly nation? I swear he thinks the USA is out to get him and he has the right to write off his own investigation. Well i believe the investigation is within good reason as Trumps stance on Russia is way too soft considering geo-politics. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32761 Posts
The chief spokesman for President Trump’s personal legal team, Mark Corallo, has resigned. According to a new report by The Washington Post, Corallo resigned Thursday for reasons not immediately made known. Politico reported Thursday that his resignation was due to growing frustration with operation and warring factions, as well as concerns over whether he was being told the truth. Corallo, a veteran GOP operative, was working on the White House defense against special counsel Robert Meuller's probe into Russian election interference in the 2016 election. According to reports, Corallo had never met Trump or Trump's attorney Marc Kasowitz before taking the job defending the president. Last month, The New York Times reported that Corallo had previously used Twitter to criticize the president and his administration. “Hey Mr. President, where's all the ‘winning?’” Corallo tweeted last month, appearing to reference former President Bill Clinton. He also used Twitter to criticize Trump’s reliance on son-in-law and White House adviser Jared Kushner, calling Kushner part of the “swamp” Trump promised to drain. Corallo’s message also split from that of many other Trump allies, who were critical of Mueller. Days before he accepted the role as Kasowitz's spokesman, he praised Mueller for his integrity and honor. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343058-trump-legal-team-spokesman-resigns-report At this point, who isn't resigning but Trump's hand-picked circle and his family? | ||
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