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LegalLord
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Doodsmack
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Doodsmack
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Gahlo
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On July 19 2017 22:11 LegalLord wrote: I doubt it will. Core diehard Democrats love the Russia shit and always did, including in the campaign when it was fairly well developed. The voterbase they didn't get, the GHs of the nation, aren't sold on voting Democrat despite Russia and having nothing but bad things to say about Trump. There's also a lot of people that either abstained or protest voted 3rd party because they thought Hillary would be enough in the lead that they didn't have to vote for her. Those people no longer have to vote in spite of her to vote Democratic. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/19/health/charlie-gard-us-residency/index.html A Committee has voted to add an amendment to a bill that includes money for Trumps wall and immigration enforcement that would give a terminally ill UK baby US residency so he can come over seas to undergo an experimental treatment that has no hope of curing him, only extending his near braindead life for a few months. Trying to score PR points of a dying foreign baby and using it to try and shame people into voting for a controversial bill. Disgusting does not begin to describe it. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 19 2017 20:17 Kickboxer wrote: Igne you need to watch some Jordan Peterson videos and stop being a pompous douche  Notwithstanding the record amount of massive words, there is zero pragmatic value in your entire wall of text. A good rule of thumb: if your grandma can't understand what you're saying, its probably tripe. Healthy conservativism is on the rise (thank Cthulu) and no, we are not part of the alt-right. Just a bunch of emotionally mature, confident people who believe in personal responsibility, individualism, ideals and hierarchies as paramount ways of organizing - and directly bettering without having to shit all over someone else - a reality where no one is equal to another in any sense of the word whatsoever, and never will be Life in the West is absolutely amazing, staying in a secular and culturally homogenous place is exactly where a sane human being wants to be and work on bettering oneself, anyone is welcome providing they assimilate, and we're stopping the radicals from "deconstructing" anything. You can go to Pakistan and work your magic there. You people have had your run with the postmodernist cancer, there is no solid life or community or world-organizing perspective to be found anywhere near it, third wave feminism is a colossal wreck and so is the fake relativizing of gender. It's time to roll off the high horse and go clean your room. Have a nice day. What Igne described is a theory/ framework for thinking about how society has changed. Being able to put the big picture together isn't a solution in and of itself, but it helps provide context and understanding in order to develop potential solutions. Duh. My grandma doesn't understand fiscal policy or genetics, it's not tripe. What is tripe, however, is using well-worn talking points about personal responsibility and le bootstraps to ignore the macro picture of how society is changing - socially, economically and otherwise - and how that flows down to the community and individual level. Your healthy conservatism sounds awfully like a high schooler who discovered Ayn Rand. Honestly, I'm not sure your post isn't a parody of that. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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State legislatures and city halls are battling over who gets to set the minimum wage, and increasingly, the states are winning. After dozens of city and county governments voted to raise their local minimum wage ordinances in the last several years, states have been responding by passing laws requiring cities to abide by statewide minimums. So far, 27 states have passed such laws. The latest example of this is in Missouri, where a state law will take effect next month, rolling back St. Louis' $10-an-hour minimum wage ordinance passed earlier this year. That means thousands of minimum-wage earners in the city could go back to earning the state rate of $7.70 an hour. Janitorial worker Cynthia Sanders now has a longer commute into St. Louis, having moved further out because the cost of living was too high and she needed more space to raise her three grandchildren. When the Missouri state law takes effect, she says her wages will decrease and she'll have to cut back again. Source | ||
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KwarK
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On July 19 2017 20:50 Kickboxer wrote: I don't need to explain anything, go watch ten hours of Peterson videos then come back. He's smarter than you, me or your idiot gender studies professor, so I'll just leave the talking to him. In case you're actually interested in what a healthy conservative looks like. https://youtu.be/X3gztiMdsGA?t=7m10s The above is a great lecture to start with. While you're at it you can also find a postmodernist intellectual with the balls to debate him, he's been looking for one a long time. Pretending like the world around you is some oppressive shithole while living like Louie the 16th with nuclear power and internet is a good place to start understanding where you're most likely dead wrong about everything. Only an utter dunce would be spoiled enough to posit our civilization needs to be "dismantled". You think the transgenders are coming to take away your electricity? Like seriously, that's all I'm getting from your post. You think we shouldn't critically examine the structures within our society because nuclear power and Louie the 16th. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 19 2017 23:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: I would rather have states set the minimum. My city is as corrupt as it goes, and I feel like they'll figure out a way to screw people out of that money. I wouldn't mind it if they gave us a living wage. I'm in Missouri now instead of California, but people still need to live. Living paycheck to paycheck is insane these days. It's about personal finance responsibility, but we also need to live, not only survive. | ||
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LegalLord
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On July 19 2017 22:39 Gahlo wrote: There's also a lot of people that either abstained or protest voted 3rd party because they thought Hillary would be enough in the lead that they didn't have to vote for her. Those people no longer have to vote in spite of her to vote Democratic. People who hated Hillary and voted third party probably still voted for some Democrats for the various legislatures. But they are, quite frankly, even worse than she is at getting people to vote for them. They failed under Obama, they failed here as well. I voted for a few of those buggers myself. But I was amazed at just how bad their campaigns were. At least a dozen vulnerable Republicans on the ballot mailed to me - and the Democrats can blame only themselves for running a campaign so bad that they unseated maybe one of them. Hell, in a few of those I was forced to vote Republican simply because the Democrats put forward people so unqualified that voting for them even just to spite the Republicans would have been irresponsible of me. | ||
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KwarK
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On July 19 2017 23:36 LegalLord wrote: Hell, in a few of those I was forced to vote Republican simply because the Democrats put forward people so unqualified that voting for them even just to spite the Republicans would have been irresponsible of me. Name the races, the candidates and why you came to those conclusions. Clearly you feel very strongly. | ||
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IgnE
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On July 19 2017 20:50 Kickboxer wrote: I don't need to explain anything, go watch ten hours of Peterson videos then come back. He's smarter than you, me or your idiot gender studies professor, so I'll just leave the talking to him. In case you're actually interested in what a healthy conservative looks like. https://youtu.be/X3gztiMdsGA?t=7m10s The above is a great lecture to start with. While you're at it you can also find a postmodernist intellectual with the balls to debate him, he's been looking for one a long time. Pretending like the world around you is some oppressive shithole while living like Louie the 16th with nuclear power and internet is a good place to start understanding where you're most likely dead wrong about everything. Only an utter dunce would be spoiled enough to posit our civilization needs to be "dismantled". I have listened to Peterson, actually. I have two surprises for you. 1) he's not that smart and 2) he only pretends to have read Derrida | ||
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Plansix
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On July 19 2017 23:43 IgnE wrote: I have listened to Peterson, actually. I have two surprises for you. 1) he's not that smart and 2) he only pretends to have read Derrida Thank you for saving me 10 hours, that was a close one. | ||
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zlefin
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as a practical matter, cities do have higher cost of living, so should probably have a higher minimum wage (if we're using minimum wages at all, I'd really like to find a way to get the system to work without using such a blunt instrument as minimum wage). as a practical observation, city governments are often not so reliable and quite sketchy in quality; while i'm not fond of state governments (or any level of government really), they still tend to do a better job on average than city gov'ts. or if not better on average, they have less variance at least, so fewer exceptionally bad outcomes. we should really implement some things to make local governments work better. | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Naturally, compared to an egalitarian utopia of the academic sort where everyone is exactly the same it might look oppressive to you but those things 1) do not exist 2) are entirely incompatible with human nature as well as reality 3) when implemented, historically, tend to result in genocide. Every time. On a side note, what I'm talking about has absolutely nothing to do with Ayn Rand. Nice hyperbole tho. As for the transgender issue, it's pretty much factually conclusive that gender studies are as close to fake science as you can possibly get. Ask a biologist and they will tell you there is no spectrum. The correlation between sex and gender is well over 99%. It's a simple fact, look it up. People with gender dysphoria, who do have a very serious condition and deserve all the help they can possibly receive, be it as sex reassignment surgery when they are old enough to understand what they are doing, or some sort of neurological or gene editing treatment, are being used as pawns in an ideological agenda. When you need to make stuff up in order to push your points, then have the gall to actually teach your relativistic drivel to easily impressed children, things tend to go south on the largest possible scale. | ||
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Simberto
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What is the argument that states use against cities doing that? On July 20 2017 00:02 Kickboxer wrote: I think our society, compared to all the other actual societies of the past and present, is as close to paradise as we've managed to come. That means we should value and respect those aspects of it that appear to function, like hierarchy of competence for example, or perhaps regulated capitalism, or perhaps value structures, and treat them with due gratitude. Naturally, compared to an egalitarian utopia of the academic sort where everyone is exactly the same it might look oppressive to you but those things 1) do not exist 2) are entirely incompatible with human nature as well as reality 3) when implemented, historically, tend to result in genocide. Every time. On a side note, what I'm talking about has absolutely nothing to do with Ayn Rand. Nice hyperbole tho. As for the transgender issue, it's pretty much factually conclusive that gender studies are as close to fake science as you can possibly get. Ask a biologist and they will tell you there is no spectrum. The correlation between sex and gender is well over 99%. It's a simple fact, look it up. People with gender dysphoria, who do have a very serious condition and deserve all the help they can possibly receive, be it as sex reassignment surgery when they are old enough to understand what they are doing, or some sort of neurological or gene editing treatment, are being used as pawns in an ideological agenda. When you need to make stuff up in order to push your points, then have the gall to actually teach your relativistic drivel to easily impressed children, things tend to go south on the largest possible scale. I agree that our society currently is pretty good when compared to history. But the same could be said in the 20th century, and in the 19th century, and in the 18th century, and so on. The reason we are no longer stuck with 18th century society is that people kept on improving society nonetheless. I see no reason to stop doing that, or to assume that we have reached as good as possible right now. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
I'm pretty sure he is a good prof and psychiatrist. But some people want to see the conservative/anti-sjw messiah in him. From what i got he doesn't even agree with his fans on most topics. | ||
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KwarK
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That and the whole narccissism of kickboxer's argument. It comes down to 1) Lots of other people see value in X 2) I don't see any value in X 3) Therefore lots of other people are dumb The idea that it might be him who doesn't get it appears not to have crossed his mind. | ||
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