EPTPersonally, I’m of the opinion it takes a special type of snowflake to receive that polite request and say “No, I’m going to call you by the pronoun I feel like.”
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Personally, I’m of the opinion it takes a special type of snowflake to receive that polite request and say “No, I’m going to call you by the pronoun I feel like.” | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
On July 19 2017 23:43 IgnE wrote: I have listened to Peterson, actually. I have two surprises for you. 1) he's not that smart and 2) he only pretends to have read Derrida No you haven't. At best, you took a cursory glance that triggered your cognitive dissonance and put him in a sealed brain compartment labeled "alt-right" or something comparably inane. The mere notion these two concepts are somehow even related is a testament to the insanity of the regressive left. The man is a fucking saint and most likely the smartest person alive - providing you're looking for instruments that will allow you to better yourself and society, that is. On the other hand, if you want to shout obscenities at people, retreat into "safe spaces" to "smash patriarchy" while also "destroying capitalism", keep reading Derrida. I'm sure it comes super handy in your day-to-day interactions. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11838 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:18 Plansix wrote: The pro-noun “bullshit” is really all about being considerate. It is akin to not calling people by nick names they despise. The mythical “SJW” exploding on someone for mistakenly using the incorrect pronoun are the minority of social interactions. Most are just a polite request to try to use the preferred pro-noun. Personally, I’m of the opinion it takes a special type of snowflake to receive that polite request and say “No, I’m going to call you by the pronoun I feel like.” Agreed. If there is a situation where a person asks me to do one minor thing that is not really important to me one way or the other, but very important to the person who asks me to do it, i will generally do it. I really don't see a reason not to, if the person asking for it is not a total dickwad. Not only does it allow me to make a person happier for basically no cost whatsoever, but from a purely egoistic point of view it also makes my life easier when i next met that person and perhaps want something of them, and they have better memories about me. And it gives me the liberty to ask other people for minor things that they don't care about a lot, but which might be a big deal to me. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10884 Posts
Calling some crossgender he or she to his/her liking is a non-issue for me. But calling someone a non-existant pronoun he/she made up him/herself is a very diffrent thing. . | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:30 Velr wrote: Its not about he/she. Its about pronouns that don't even exist but people want to be used. Calling some crossgender he or she to his/her liking. I have absolutely no issues with that. But calling someone a non-existant pronoun he/she made up him/herself is a very diffrent thing. Do you happen to have a list of words which weren't made up by people that I could borrow? | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:12 KwarK wrote: Fighting against pronouns seems like the most insane hill to die on there is to be honest. Even if you think transgender people are delusional, society constantly telling them that an identity that feels true to them doesn't exist tends to make them kill themselves. The courtesy being requested by transgender people ranks about the same as holding a door open for a person following you in terms of the imposition upon my life. It's far less intrusive than ramps being added to public buildings for the wheelchair folk. This strange idea that if we choose to treat each other with respect in this one case then the electricity will run out is absolutely baffling. That and the whole narccissism of kickboxer's argument. It comes down to 1) Lots of other people see value in X 2) I don't see any value in X 3) Therefore lots of other people are dumb The idea that it might be him who doesn't get it appears not to have crossed his mind. You don't understand. The issue here is compelled speech - i.e. whether a person can be required to say something by law. Policing people's language and thoughts is the first and most essential step on the slippery slope to fascism. Without exaggeration. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:20 Kickboxer wrote: No you haven't. At best, you took a cursory glance that triggered your cognitive dissonance and put him in a sealed brain compartment labeled "alt-right" or something comparably inane. The mere notion these two concepts are somehow even related is a testament to the insanity of the regressive left. The man is a fucking saint and most likely the smartest person alive - providing you're looking for instruments that will allow you to better yourself and society, that is. On the other hand, if you want to shout obscenities at people, retreat into "safe spaces" to "smash patriarchy" while also "destroying capitalism", keep reading Derrida. I'm sure it comes super handy in your day-to-day interactions. I cannot tell if this is satire or not. It is really good satire if it is, since it satirizes most internet discussions about pronouns while also satirizing itself by doing the very thing the post is railing against. If not, then it presents a staggering lack of self awareness. On July 20 2017 00:32 Kickboxer wrote: You don't understand. The issue here is compelled speech - i.e. whether a person can be required to say something by law. Policing people's language and thoughts is the first and most essential step on the slippery slope to fascism. Without exaggeration. I’ve told people to stop using my first name and call me Mr. “My last name”. I’m not policing their thoughts. I’m simply telling them they are being to informal with their interactions. I refer to the partner’s at my firm as “Sir”, my thoughts are not be policed. | ||
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KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:32 Kickboxer wrote: You don't understand. The issue here is compelled speech - i.e. whether a person can be required to say something by law. Policing people's language and thoughts is the first and most essential step on the slippery slope to fascism. Without exaggeration. Where's the compulsion? I'm just not seeing it. I live and work on a liberal college campus and not once have I been approached by pronoun police. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11838 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:34 KwarK wrote: Where's the compulsion? I'm just not seeing it. I live and work on a liberal college campus and not once have I been approached by pronoun police. Indeed. And if you are talking about societal pressure, there is already loads of that to speak in specific ways to specific people. Try calling everyone you meet "cocksucking motherfucker" and see how that goes. It is a weird concept called courtesy. Be nice to people, and they are (on average) nicer to you. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:34 KwarK wrote: Where's the compulsion? I'm just not seeing it. I live and work on a liberal college campus and not once have I been approached by pronoun police. Wasn't his entire rise to prominence on the back of Toronto (?) making some noises about making it illegal to not use a person's desired pronoun...? Something like that, it's been a while. I've agreed with some of the things he's said but also found him tremendously disappointing at other times. | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Given the apparent profundity of your intellects, I'm sure digesting 50 lectures or so and actually thinking about the content instead of spouting reactive propaganda would be an easy task. Unless you're too busy smashing things in the name of love and progress. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:42 Kickboxer wrote: Cool. I gave you guys some really good advice. Feel free to follow it or not, I don't care. Given the apparent profundity of your intellects, I'm sure digesting 50 lectures or so and actually thinking about the content instead of spouting reactive propaganda would be an easy task. Unless you're too busy smashing things in the name of love and progress. have you considered the possiblity that your advice isn't nearly as good as you think it is? also, the world is a big place; can't bother to listen to a pile of lectures every time someone on the internet claims they're good. alot of people on the internet claim a lot of things; many of which are wrong. filtering them out is necessary. it also sounds like you're strawmanning woith your talk about smashing things; since I don't see people here advocating general smashing. I assume you're familiar with dunning-kruger effect. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
I can get down with personal responsibility, but refusing to do something that amounts to basic courtesy for... What reason? Just seems asinine to me. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 20 2017 00:38 farvacola wrote: Fun, tangentially related fact: if a police officer tells you to stop calling him "dude" enough times during a stop and you keep doing it, he can arrest you for harassing an officer. Do you see that as problematic in any meaningful way? | ||
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