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On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:28 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:22 Wulfey_LA wrote:On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 05:41 ChristianS wrote:
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This is a bit rich from the guy who tried to pin the Congressional shooting on Democrats' extreme rhetoric. How much more blatant can you get than a video of you literally beating up your political opposition? There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed. You should be embarrassed by your own slavish devotion to Trump. Just because people you don't like condemn Trump's actions, doesn't make them good. But you always manage to find a way to contort your opponents' condemnations as some kind of justification for your Trump-licking. Also, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks his retweet humiliated CNN. Everyone that hasn't swallowed the orange cool-aid thinks he diminished the Office of the Presidency by dragging it down to the level 4chan/Redditor memes. Yes, it was a racist redditor who made the meme. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ku6mp/wow_i_never_expected_my_meme_to_be_retweeted_by/ "My slavish devotion to Trump." Yeah, you've totally missed the boat. To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective.
That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real.
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On July 03 2017 07:07 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:00 farvacola wrote:
Diplomats tend not to fare well in national elections here in the US, likely due in large part to the fact that they spend the vast majority of their time in a foreign country. Can you expand upon this? Is it because voters don't know them that well as a consequence? Or is the perception that it is somehow bad to spend so much time abroad? EDIT: Yes he is gay (got married to his partner in Denmark actually - probably part of the reason why we like him so much. We are easy to win over like that.) I think people are generally more sensible than we give them credit for.
It's a combination of all of those things, and the stories of many diplomats who turned towards politics bear this truth out. Look at the careers of John Huntsman and Adlai Stevenson, to name two. Further, I think you are vastly underestimating the extent to which voters in the US will hold homosexuality against someone, even if only on an entirely subconscious and unknowable level. The United States is incredibly heterogeneous when it comes to the identity politics inherent to the electoral process, and while folks like Gifford would fine in states like Oregon, Massachusetts, or California, they'd fare quite poorly in Texas, Florida, Georgia. Even states like Ohio and Michigan would be far harder to swing once someone can be characterized as "other than the status quo," and when it comes to low hanging fruit like homosexuality and time spent in a country as foreign as Denmark, state focused Super PACS would bury him beneath a veneer of otherness.
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Trump has been able to distract away from the immediate scandals that hes faced but I think its caused more damage long term then the short term gains hes had.
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On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:28 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:22 Wulfey_LA wrote:On July 03 2017 05:49 xDaunt wrote:
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There is a big, obvious difference between the quality of my argument and yours. Undermining the legitimacy of the president by arguing repeatedly that he is a Russian stooge and that we are about to undergo Watergate II (among other things) is a completely different animal than Trump using a fake wrestling video to humiliate CNN. Seriously, you should be embarrassed. You should be embarrassed by your own slavish devotion to Trump. Just because people you don't like condemn Trump's actions, doesn't make them good. But you always manage to find a way to contort your opponents' condemnations as some kind of justification for your Trump-licking. Also, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks his retweet humiliated CNN. Everyone that hasn't swallowed the orange cool-aid thinks he diminished the Office of the Presidency by dragging it down to the level 4chan/Redditor memes. Yes, it was a racist redditor who made the meme. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ku6mp/wow_i_never_expected_my_meme_to_be_retweeted_by/ "My slavish devotion to Trump." Yeah, you've totally missed the boat. To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real.
What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them.
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This is relevant to what? Is Trump's tweet supposed to be anti-Semitic?
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On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective.
Any talk about Trump's absolutely childish Twitter antics draw attention away from Trump's policy. And any attention drawn away from Trump's policies, or lack thereof, is indisputably to Trump's advantage.
That said, about the level of Trump's childishness; If I was a world leader who had to deal with Trump, my pride would prevent me from even talking with him. He literally acts like not just a child, but a annoying spoiled child. Calling him a child is insulting to all the mature, responsible and sensible children out there.
I'd fucking tank my country's economy just for the sake of not having to acknowledge a literal retard child can be a world leader. Even bat-crazy dictators like Gaddafi seem more sensible than Trump.
Consider Trump in a setting where all democracy/civilization safety nets are removed.
Swap around Assad and Trump, and suddenly Syria has a dictator 20x more crazy than Gaddafi. And suddenly the US has a civilized gentle political leader that is similar to Obama, minus the drone strikes. And current Assad has an absurd amount of blood on his hands, brutality on his conscience.
If I was American, I would literally change Assad for Trump. If I were Syrian, suffering the brutal Assad crackdown, I would literally prefer to keep Assad. Imagine Trump in power in Syria, struggling to keep the country under his control. It would be so so bad. Idi Amin level bad. If Trump were the son of a brutal dictator, I'd see him able to smash babies with a sledgehammer.
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On July 03 2017 07:28 Introvert wrote:This is relevant to what? Is Trump's tweet supposed to be anti-Semitic?
It's just more slander by association and innuendo.
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On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:28 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:22 Wulfey_LA wrote:[quote] You should be embarrassed by your own slavish devotion to Trump. Just because people you don't like condemn Trump's actions, doesn't make them good. But you always manage to find a way to contort your opponents' condemnations as some kind of justification for your Trump-licking. Also, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks his retweet humiliated CNN. Everyone that hasn't swallowed the orange cool-aid thinks he diminished the Office of the Presidency by dragging it down to the level 4chan/Redditor memes. Yes, it was a racist redditor who made the meme. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ku6mp/wow_i_never_expected_my_meme_to_be_retweeted_by/ "My slavish devotion to Trump." Yeah, you've totally missed the boat. To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them.
I don't think you can say that reasonably. Even if I disagree with the policy he pushes, I can still respect a man and his office as long as he carries it professionally. Until I see him going on Twitter tirades because there are media outlets that disagree with him, high credibility or no. Saying it's ok for Trump to make a fool of himself on the world stage - the internet - because you also happen to think CNN is bad is a gross defense that has no real legs to stand on. The man is POTUS, not some uninformed 18 year-old. Which is how he's acting.
I seem to have missed the day where people stopped holding the leader of the free world to a high standard. But hey, at least those liberals are upset.
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Are all those people actually Jewish? Do they all work at/with CNN or were they just guests?
I'm not going to lie, considering indigenous people make up a comparable section of our population, Jewish people are greatly overrepresented in media.
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On July 03 2017 07:34 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:28 xDaunt wrote:
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"My slavish devotion to Trump." Yeah, you've totally missed the boat. To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them. I don't think you can say that reasonably. Even if I disagree with the policy he pushes, I can still respect a man and his office as long as he carries it professionally. Until I see him going on Twitter tirades because there are media outlets that disagree with him, high credibility or no. Saying it's ok for Trump to make a fool of himself on the world stage - the internet - because you also happen to think CNN is bad is a gross defense that has no real legs to stand on. The man is POTUS, not some uninformed 18 year-old. Which is how he's acting.
Why not? Consider the following thought experiment: who is the voter that will disapprove of Trump solely because of the tweets? Likewise, who is the voter who would approve of Trump but for the tweets? I'm having a tough time defining both -- particularly in a way that shows that there is a significant population or voters who disapprove of Trump because of the tweets.
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On July 03 2017 07:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:28 Introvert wrote:This is relevant to what? Is Trump's tweet supposed to be anti-Semitic? It's just more slander by association and innuendo.
I agree. And it's stupid. People don't check the meme production of people whose memes they retweet to see that they haven't produced offensive memes in the past. While I think it's a completely inconsequential issue (if there's a 0-100 scale of issues of importance and climate change is 100, then 'can retweet offensive stuff without repercussions' is 0.001), a lot of people actually seem to like Trump, and dislike the high horse liberals, because they somewhat consistently look for stuff to be offended by and people want to be able to communicate without being accused of some form of unintended bigotry or offensiveness. It's fair that we should hold the president to a higher standard, of course, but looking through the meme history of this TD contributor just misses the ball completely.
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On July 03 2017 07:38 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:34 NewSunshine wrote:On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:
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To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them. I don't think you can say that reasonably. Even if I disagree with the policy he pushes, I can still respect a man and his office as long as he carries it professionally. Until I see him going on Twitter tirades because there are media outlets that disagree with him, high credibility or no. Saying it's ok for Trump to make a fool of himself on the world stage - the internet - because you also happen to think CNN is bad is a gross defense that has no real legs to stand on. The man is POTUS, not some uninformed 18 year-old. Which is how he's acting. Why not? Consider the following thought experiment: who is the voter that will disapprove of Trump solely because of the tweets? Likewise, who is the voter who would approve of Trump but for the tweets? I'm having a tough time defining both -- particularly in a way that shows that there is a significant population or voters who disapprove of Trump because of the tweets.
I already explained - a voter might support someone despite policy differences, but retract that support once they see how the POTUS uses his Twitter account. Openly demonstrating how unfit you are for the office of president turns people off to the job you do as president. It's simple.
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On July 03 2017 07:45 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:38 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:34 NewSunshine wrote:On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:
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People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them. I don't think you can say that reasonably. Even if I disagree with the policy he pushes, I can still respect a man and his office as long as he carries it professionally. Until I see him going on Twitter tirades because there are media outlets that disagree with him, high credibility or no. Saying it's ok for Trump to make a fool of himself on the world stage - the internet - because you also happen to think CNN is bad is a gross defense that has no real legs to stand on. The man is POTUS, not some uninformed 18 year-old. Which is how he's acting. Why not? Consider the following thought experiment: who is the voter that will disapprove of Trump solely because of the tweets? Likewise, who is the voter who would approve of Trump but for the tweets? I'm having a tough time defining both -- particularly in a way that shows that there is a significant population or voters who disapprove of Trump because of the tweets. I already explained - a voter might support someone despite policy differences, but retract that support once they see how the POTUS uses his Twitter account. Openly demonstrating how unfit you are for the office of president turns people off to the job you do as president. It's simple.
Yeah, you offered the theoretical definition answer, but I want to know who these people actually are. What demographic are we talking about? Who are some good examples?
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On July 02 2017 11:06 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 08:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 02 2017 04:36 Gahlo wrote:On July 02 2017 04:31 zlefin wrote:
the passport bit made me wonder so I checked the landsize; the US has more than twice the land area of the EU. I thought it was closer than that. Yeah, it's a pretty stark difference. France is one of EU's biggest countries and is about the size of Texas. They also both have a Paris. So what? France has twice as many people. Europe in general has twice as many people as USA. The countries which make up the EU contains more people, yet the idea to only travel within the EU is a pretty strange one for those living within it. Yet most Europeans in the high income European countries have travelled outside to another continent within their lifetimes. Nearly everyone owns a passport irregardless of whether they need one to travel within the EU. Even the poor. It's pretty obvious why you feel a bit diminshed about the whole passport thing, but saying that USA is a large country doesn't explain it. It matters because the space that the USA takes up lets you experience a vast array of environments without needing a passport. I don't need a passport to go to Hawaii, while I'm pretty sure you need a passport to go to Mauritius. So unless I'm destination traveling, like if I wanted to see Venice, I don't have a purpose for owning a passport. I'm not going to spend money so I can get a new passport when I don't intend to use it.
You can go to Mauritius without a passport? I don't understand your strange chestbeating over land area. USA has bigger landmass than the European Union therefore what exactly? The world is many multiples bigger than the USA and the countries which make up the EU combined. I really don't udnerstand why you would be so proud of not owning a passport. Here, it's basically an admission that you are either so poor you can't afford to travel or have no interest in other cultures.
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Well back when the tape leaked about how he liked to grab women's genitals, and during the campaign when he made a number of crude and offensive statements about fellow repulicans and the media alike, it seems like it wasn't enough to really affect a vast portion of the American public that voted for him.
And to be honest, I have to agree with them in the sense that his real policy positions on trade, foreign policy, healthcare, and so on, should take precedence over his problems with women and occasional twitter feuds. So long as he doesn't propose some law saying women no longer have the right to vote (and that won't happen), its just a side show.
So I get the feeling that most people probably don't care that much today either. I would definitely be disappointed in Trump for acting like a child, but I think what most people still care about, or what they should care about, is what he is doing in office to improve the economy or the environment (in the latter case, absolutely nothing). I think what we are observing is mostly just a war between the media and Trump, and the rest of America is just sitting back and eating popcorn. Except the hardcore liberals of course; but then, practically anything Trump does will make them livid.
But his approval ratings are likely low due to his inability to get anything meaningful accomplished besides a temporary ban on some Muslims from some countries, and yelling at the media on twitter. He just hasn't done anything useful, and I think people are starting to realize, this guy's claims were nonsense. He isn't really a great business genius, and he can't really get anything done. He can't even get his own party to pass a new healthcare bill, or remove the old one, and that was supposed to be one of the defining issues for the Republican party.
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On July 03 2017 07:47 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:45 NewSunshine wrote:On July 03 2017 07:38 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:34 NewSunshine wrote:On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:
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The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change.
I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them. I don't think you can say that reasonably. Even if I disagree with the policy he pushes, I can still respect a man and his office as long as he carries it professionally. Until I see him going on Twitter tirades because there are media outlets that disagree with him, high credibility or no. Saying it's ok for Trump to make a fool of himself on the world stage - the internet - because you also happen to think CNN is bad is a gross defense that has no real legs to stand on. The man is POTUS, not some uninformed 18 year-old. Which is how he's acting. Why not? Consider the following thought experiment: who is the voter that will disapprove of Trump solely because of the tweets? Likewise, who is the voter who would approve of Trump but for the tweets? I'm having a tough time defining both -- particularly in a way that shows that there is a significant population or voters who disapprove of Trump because of the tweets. I already explained - a voter might support someone despite policy differences, but retract that support once they see how the POTUS uses his Twitter account. Openly demonstrating how unfit you are for the office of president turns people off to the job you do as president. It's simple. Yeah, you offered the theoretical definition answer, but I want to know who these people actually are. What demographic are we talking about? Who are some good examples?
Not everyone is a polarized Republican or Democrat. Likewise, if I were to say something that Republicans or Democrats do, and you ask for examples, that's silly. They exist, I shouldn't have to name people who show that behavior. I myself hoped for the best upon seeing Trump win, and hoped he would make a presidential turn, considering the gravity of the office, but seeing how he acts - including Twitter - shattered any illusions I wanted to hold. It's not Twitter alone that does it, but it doesn't have to do that by itself, and it would be disingenuous to suggest that somehow Twitter has sole responsibility for discrediting Trump.
Whether it's the nail in the coffin for anyone's opinion on the man, I still fail to see any way you can look at his behavior and think it's somehow working for him.
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On July 03 2017 07:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2017 07:22 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 07:16 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 07:12 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:42 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:On July 03 2017 06:28 xDaunt wrote:On July 03 2017 06:22 Wulfey_LA wrote:[quote] You should be embarrassed by your own slavish devotion to Trump. Just because people you don't like condemn Trump's actions, doesn't make them good. But you always manage to find a way to contort your opponents' condemnations as some kind of justification for your Trump-licking. Also, no one outside of the Trump cult thinks his retweet humiliated CNN. Everyone that hasn't swallowed the orange cool-aid thinks he diminished the Office of the Presidency by dragging it down to the level 4chan/Redditor memes. Yes, it was a racist redditor who made the meme. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6ku6mp/wow_i_never_expected_my_meme_to_be_retweeted_by/ "My slavish devotion to Trump." Yeah, you've totally missed the boat. To be fair to him, most sane people missed that boat a long while ago. People who think I am slavishly devoted to Trump are either stupid or liars. The vast majority are the former, because they can't comprehend why anything that Trump has done (or not done) may be remotely defensible. They are too busy riding leftist media pole to think critically. Uncoincidetally, these are the same "sane" people who somehow miss all of my criticisms of the Right. The reason why they can't comprehend it is that you never offer anything that has actual value in your defenses. Remember when Trump used to be good because he was playing 7d chess and he was going to have 80% popularity? Now he's good because he triggers the left and CNN deserves it. Times change. I will agree that I don't think your problem is devotion to Trump though, rather it's hatred of the opposition. My defenses of Trump never have any value? I think my analysis of the Russia nonsense has been remarkably spot on. There have been others as well. And I don't see how the 7d chess and the "CNN deserves it" rationales for Trump attacking CNN (or any other outlet) are mutually exclusive. In fact, I have been expressing both rationales simultaneously since the GOP primary. So is the idea that Trump takes a break from 7d chess to tweet about how mean the media is to him and how they deserve to be memed for it, or is it that the use of memes is a 7d chess move? Trump's use of twitter (memes and all) to circumvent and attack the media has been indisputably effective. That's an example of a defense of yours that doesn't have actual value: he's great at attacking others. Even if I grant you that this is true, and given the dismal state of America I just might, nobody gains anything real. What do you mean by nobody gains anything? Trump's use of twitter is integral to his ability to keep the hostile media hordes at bay and his ability to keep the base motivated. There are a lot of reasons why Trump's approval rating is hurting, but the tweets aren't one of them.
I mean what it looks like I mean. Let's say that Trump's usage of Twitter is a positive for the reasons that you express. What is the actual gain that was obtained from that? It's not a political gain, his popularity is tanking and the elections that we have seen so far show massive shifts back on the liberal side. It's not a policy gain, cause the problems that you have with America aren't solved by having a president in office that shitlords a little more often.
The only gain is that we're now talking about how mean he is on Twitter instead of talking about how much the republicans are shitting the bed with Trumpcare. Which has no actual value.
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