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"For those miners, get ready because you're going to be working your asses off," Trump said in a May 2016 speech in front of a crowd holding up "Trump digs coal" signs.
While Trump has moved to rip up regulations burdening the coal industry, his most senior economic aide doesn't look like he's jumping on the coal train.
"Coal doesn't even make that much sense anymore as a feedstock," Gary Cohn said, aboard Air Force One on Thursday, referring to raw materials that get converted into a fuel.
Cohn, who serves as director of the White House National Economic Council, instead praised natural gas as "such a cleaner fuel" -- and one that America has become an "abundant producer of."
While Trump rarely talks up the potential of renewable energy, Cohn sounds like a fan.
"If you think about how solar and how much wind power we've created in the United States, we can be a manufacturing powerhouse and still be environmentally friendly," Cohn said.
Cohn's comments stand out, but not because they are inaccurate. They jive with what energy experts have been saying for some time. It's just that Cohn's comments sound like ones that were written by President Obama's speechwriters, not Trump's.
The White House didn't respond to questions about whether Cohn's remarks signal a shift in Trump's energy and environmental policies.
Cohn's words are especially significant, because Trump is expected to soon decide whether to keep the U.S. in the Paris climate accord, which is forcing governments in many countries to crack down on the carbon emissions from coal and other fossil fuels. World leaders, Democrats and some major companies have urged Trump not to ditch the landmark deal that represents the most significant effort to date to combat climate change.
"He's heard arguments that are persuasive on both sides. They're both good arguments," Cohn said about the Paris accord.
Trump's love for coal helped his vote totals in the Rust Belt that carried him to victory last November. It didn't help that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, badmouthed coal by promising to "put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."
By contrast, Trump followed through on his promise to end Obama's "war on coal" by signing an executive order in March that started undoing the last administration's signature efforts on climate change.
The problem is that Trump's deregulation push is unlikely to bring about the coal renaissance he wants. That's because coal's dramatic downfall has come not from regulations, but has been driven by market forces, especially the abundance of cheap natural gas.
An in-depth study by Columbia University concluded that "Trump's efforts to roll back environmental regulations will not materially improve economic conditions in America's coal communities."
The academics urged Trump to focus on ways to retrain coal workers and safeguard their health benefits instead of offering "false hope that the glory days can be revived."
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Oh yes, you found those journals- they are better in that they have a greater amount of space devoted to block quotes and links to the original email in question. The journal's conclusion is still bonkers as I am hard pressed to find racism in the email but at least a decent number of direct quotes were used. I've sporadically watched some of those meetings with the president, but ho man were a few outspoken students feeling oppressed by the mere presence of Weinstein at the president's address. You can find those hour long clips as well but they are largely uninteresting except for the parts where they are demanding that the police be disarmed plus the demands to fire a couple people.
It remains to be seen whether "mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training for all faculty" will have any effect. As I understand it, these usually have the opposite of its intended effect.
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A series of protests that began Tuesday May 22 increased pressure on the administration, culminating in an occupation of the library building during which administrators were blockaded in a room to listen to concerns of students.
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People were especially worried about Weinstein’s continued media crusade, saying students were a “mob” engaged in a “witch hunt”, and going on Tucker Carlson Tonight during the meeting with George Bridges, falsely asserting that students had taken over campus and threatened violence
Gee I wonder why they felt they were being mobbed
Also mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training sounds like something from South Park
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President Trump’s budget would eliminate federal funding for an earthquake early warning system being developed for California and the rest of the West Coast which, if enacted, probably would kill the long-planned effort.
The budget proposal for the year ending in September 2018 also seeks to eliminate U.S. funding for critical tsunami-monitoring stations in oceans and reduce funds for a next-generation weather forecasting system.
Scientists said the loss of federal funding would derail the early warning system, which officials hope would one day send public earthquake alerts to smartphones seconds or even minutes before a temblor.
“It probably would kill the early warning system if we thought there were no more funding coming from the U.S. Geological Survey,” said John Vidale, director of the Pacific Northwest Seismic Network and a seismology professor at the University of Washington.
“The money we’ve received is essential,” Vidale said.
In a statement announcing the USGS budget, the Department of the Interior said the budget “focuses on core USGS science and efficiency,” and asserted that the budget would be able to fund monitoring of the nation’s earthquakes.
Bill Leith, the USGS acting associate director for natural hazards, said a decision was made to focus on USGS’ service core capabilities — services that are already offered, rather than a new service such as the earthquake early warning system.
The budget document posted on the U.S. Department of the Interior’s website did not elaborate on the reason for cutting the alert system, saying only: “This elimination would end USGS efforts to implement the ShakeAlert earthquake early warning system.”
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-trump-budget-earthquake-early-warning-20170525-htmlstory.html
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Watch as California decides to fund it. The West coast is becoming more economically independent might as well be scientifically as well.
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On May 29 2017 06:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +A series of protests that began Tuesday May 22 increased pressure on the administration, culminating in an occupation of the library building during which administrators were blockaded in a room to listen to concerns of students.
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People were especially worried about Weinstein’s continued media crusade, saying students were a “mob” engaged in a “witch hunt”, and going on Tucker Carlson Tonight during the meeting with George Bridges, falsely asserting that students had taken over campus and threatened violence
Gee I wonder why they felt they were being mobbed Also mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training sounds like something from South Park
Student groups upset that accurate portrayals of their behavior were communicated to media because they then look bad for having done it. I can only imagine what the training involves. You're mobbing someone refusing to bow to demands that all white people leave campus for a day. His form of protest is more effective than your form of counter-protest (so long as video is captured of the event).
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On May 29 2017 07:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 06:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:A series of protests that began Tuesday May 22 increased pressure on the administration, culminating in an occupation of the library building during which administrators were blockaded in a room to listen to concerns of students.
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People were especially worried about Weinstein’s continued media crusade, saying students were a “mob” engaged in a “witch hunt”, and going on Tucker Carlson Tonight during the meeting with George Bridges, falsely asserting that students had taken over campus and threatened violence
Gee I wonder why they felt they were being mobbed Also mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training sounds like something from South Park Student groups upset that accurate portrayals of their behavior were communicated to media because they then look bad for having done it. I can only imagine what the training involves. You're mobbing someone refusing to bow to demands that all white people leave campus for a day. His form of protest is more effective than your form of counter-protest (so long as video is captured of the event).
Given the thread is full of clueless takes on what was actually happening it's impressive you managed to make the worst.
The reason there was an action goes WAAAYYYYYY beyond the professor. Firstly, despite being a liberal college in WA its still a remarkably racist place (partly due to how white Olympia is). So it's not just a few months or years, this college has been dealing with racist hippies and liberals since it's inception.
That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus) and interpreted it as "Anti-white" or "No Whites" day is simply idiotic. Every single thing says that all are welcome and people are encouraged to choose which events they wish to attend, also there's no damn obligation to observe it at all.
That idiotic sites on the right would spin this as so much more than it is doesn't surprise me.
All that said it wasn't an impressive way to confront the professor for his stupidity, but it's apparently not the first time for him. All this is coming out slowly since the students aren't familiar with PR but rest assured no one here has any idea what they are talking about regarding the long standing issues at Evergreen that resulted in these particular actions.
Additionally and without surprise, cops targeted students of color and one officer even had to be removed because as his SGT said "he was out of control".
But go on folks, pining about the perils of expressive college students or "fascists" as some of the dumber posts suggested instead of the abusive police response or the ongoing racial tensions on campus.
When the equity council, advising on behalf of the POC community at Evergreen, are telling professors and staff that we need mandatory training and accountability and the response is complaints that it is unfair to white people at the school this showcases exactly why this type of training is needed. This blatant ignorance of white privilege, show of white fragility and refusal to acknowledge how white supremacy affects people of color at Evergreen is white privilege in action. The white fragility illustrated by Weinstein and the other faculty and staff he claims support him are a way of derailing progress toward equity
The professor is right, woe be unto us if we don't understand that it is really the white man that is being persecuted on the Evergreen campus.
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That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus) and interpreted it as "Anti-white" or "No Whites" day is simply idiotic. Every single thing says that all are welcome and people are encouraged to choose which events they wish to attend, also there's no damn obligation to observe it at all.
Can you actually explain what is happening if you disagree with the media portrayal? I don't understand how there is any controversy as it seemed like he stayed on campus on a day he wasn't supposed to be there. What actually happened that people are pissed off about?
There doesn't seem to be a be a good source of information about this event and I don't intend to watch hours of video of people shouting to get an unbiased opinion.
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On May 29 2017 09:37 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus) and interpreted it as "Anti-white" or "No Whites" day is simply idiotic. Every single thing says that all are welcome and people are encouraged to choose which events they wish to attend, also there's no damn obligation to observe it at all. Can you actually explain what is happening if you disagree with the media portrayal? I don't understand how there is any controversy as it seemed like he stayed on campus on a day he wasn't supposed to be there. What actually happened that people are pissed off about? There doesn't seem to be a be a good source of information about this event and I don't intend to watch hours of video of people shouting to get an unbiased opinion.
Day of AbsenceOn Day of Absence, members of the Evergreen community have choices about how and where to participate. Off campus, at a community venue, we host a full-day program focusing on allyship and anti-racism work from a majority culture or white perspective. At the same time, we offer a full-day, on-campus educational and social program designed to address issues from the perspective of people of color. Because of the need for a dedicated space to explore issues of diversity within each of these two perspectives, each program has been designed with a specific community-building objective in mind. And because many of us are mixed, and may not wholly identify ourselves with one community or the other, we invite each person to attend the program of their choice, wherever they feel most comfortable. Day of Absence On Campus 2017 Schedule at a GlanceDesigned to address issues from the perspective of people of color. + Show Spoiler +8:30–8:45am—Check-In (Longhouse)
8:45–9:30am—Blessing and Breakfast (Longhouse)
9:30–10:45am—Presentation by Dr. Maxine Mimms and Stone Thomas (Longhouse)
11:00am–12:30pm—Morning Workshop Sessions (Purce Hall)
12:30–2:00pm—Lunch (Longhouse)
2:00–3:30pm—Afternoon Workshop Sessions (Purce Hall)
3:45–5:00pm—Closing Keynote (Purce Hall)
6:00pm—Screening of Moonlight (Purce Hall - Lecture Hall 1)
Designed to focus on allyship and anti-racism work from a majority culture or white perspective . + Show Spoiler +
8:00am—Carpool or take bus from Evergreen Olympia Campus to DOA off Location
9:00–10:00am—Arrival and Welcoming
10:00am–1:00pm—Morning Session
1:00-2:00pm—Potluck Lunch
2:30–4:00pm—Afternoon Session
4:00–4:30pm—Large Group Closing
4:30–5:30pm—Back to Evergreen for 6:00pm screening of Moonlight in Purce Hall, Lecture Hall 1
On Day of Presence, the campus reunites on campus to share ideas with each other as allies. Designed with the entire campus community in mind. Day of Presence 2017 Schedule at a Glance + Show Spoiler +8:00–8:45am—Check-In (CRC)
8:45–10:30am—Welcome Ceremony and Keynote: Jeff Duncan Andrade (CRC)
10:45–12:15pm—Morning Workshop Session (see PDF schedule below)
12:30–1:30pm—Lunch & Afro-Caribbean Steel Drum performance (CRC)
1:45–3:15pm—Afternoon Workshop Session (see PDF schedule below)
3:15–5:00pm—Concert, DJ, & Community Art Project (Red Square)
5:00–7:00pm—Break
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There's no "No-Whites" day or "Anti -White" day. That is a complete fabrication.
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The only people I have seen really covering it are right wing sites so they can mock sjw lol. I didnt even hear of this or ever of that college until it was posted here.
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That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus)
That is incorrect. The Day of Absence/ Presence has been going on for years that is correct, but there was a fundamental difference between what was happening in the past and what was happening this time. So it's incorrect to say this has been going on for years as this change reflects this year. He had no problem with the past: a voluntary leaving on the part of PoC.
There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and under-appreciated roles (the theme of the Douglas Turner Ward play Day of Absence, as well as the recent Women’s Day walkout), and a group or coalition encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.
From his email. I don't much care how the right wing sites have been portraying as I've just been watching the raw video clips and reading the full emails as I can find them.
Firstly, despite being a liberal college in WA its still a remarkably racist place (partly due to how white Olympia is). So it's not just a few months or years, this college has been dealing with racist hippies and liberals since it's inception.
Do you have examples?
I mean, it's not even a white man thing because if Bret wants to he could also identify as a minority being Jewish. But my pushback on the racial retraining is less that it's unfair but rather that from my understanding it doesn't do what it purports to do, usually the opposite.
In addition, just how targetted were they and just how out of control was it if they were letting the students just do their thing and not let Bret get back on campus? I mean, I'll grant you, you get the robocop guys in tame environments that have been itching to go nuts on someone- less a racial issue and more, do you know the type? The wannabe cop security guard?
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On May 29 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 07:08 Danglars wrote:On May 29 2017 06:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:A series of protests that began Tuesday May 22 increased pressure on the administration, culminating in an occupation of the library building during which administrators were blockaded in a room to listen to concerns of students.
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People were especially worried about Weinstein’s continued media crusade, saying students were a “mob” engaged in a “witch hunt”, and going on Tucker Carlson Tonight during the meeting with George Bridges, falsely asserting that students had taken over campus and threatened violence
Gee I wonder why they felt they were being mobbed Also mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training sounds like something from South Park Student groups upset that accurate portrayals of their behavior were communicated to media because they then look bad for having done it. I can only imagine what the training involves. You're mobbing someone refusing to bow to demands that all white people leave campus for a day. His form of protest is more effective than your form of counter-protest (so long as video is captured of the event). Given the thread is full of clueless takes on what was actually happening it's impressive you managed to make the worst. The reason there was an action goes WAAAYYYYYY beyond the professor. Firstly, despite being a liberal college in WA its still a remarkably racist place (partly due to how white Olympia is). So it's not just a few months or years, this college has been dealing with racist hippies and liberals since it's inception. That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus) and interpreted it as "Anti-white" or "No Whites" day is simply idiotic. Every single thing says that all are welcome and people are encouraged to choose which events they wish to attend, also there's no damn obligation to observe it at all. That idiotic sites on the right would spin this as so much more than it is doesn't surprise me. All that said it wasn't an impressive way to confront the professor for his stupidity, but it's apparently not the first time for him. All this is coming out slowly since the students aren't familiar with PR but rest assured no one here has any idea what they are talking about regarding the long standing issues at Evergreen that resulted in these particular actions. Additionally and without surprise, cops targeted students of color and one officer even had to be removed because as his SGT said "he was out of control". But go on folks, pining about the perils of expressive college students or "fascists" as some of the dumber posts suggested instead of the abusive police response or the ongoing racial tensions on campus. Show nested quote +When the equity council, advising on behalf of the POC community at Evergreen, are telling professors and staff that we need mandatory training and accountability and the response is complaints that it is unfair to white people at the school this showcases exactly why this type of training is needed. This blatant ignorance of white privilege, show of white fragility and refusal to acknowledge how white supremacy affects people of color at Evergreen is white privilege in action. The white fragility illustrated by Weinstein and the other faculty and staff he claims support him are a way of derailing progress toward equity The professor is right, woe be unto us if we don't understand that it is really the white man that is being persecuted on the Evergreen campus.
I wish you wouldn't pull out the "what about" card... this is a big problem because it hurts the credibility of people protesting real issues... (no idea if this protest is a real issue or not, but their behavior made me turn off the video after 2 minutes)
Im not American, clearly, and get most of my US news here or various podcasts, but it feels like stuff like this is just free propaganda material and a distraction away from more important problems (as you yourself noted).
It kind of feels like, and I think this is what you are saying, the stupid shit college kids do while protesting garners more outrage than more serious issues... but if this is true then isnt that a big problem?
Or do you feel attention whether good or bad is needed at this point? It just feels like free ammo...
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On May 29 2017 09:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 29 2017 07:08 Danglars wrote:On May 29 2017 06:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:A series of protests that began Tuesday May 22 increased pressure on the administration, culminating in an occupation of the library building during which administrators were blockaded in a room to listen to concerns of students.
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People were especially worried about Weinstein’s continued media crusade, saying students were a “mob” engaged in a “witch hunt”, and going on Tucker Carlson Tonight during the meeting with George Bridges, falsely asserting that students had taken over campus and threatened violence
Gee I wonder why they felt they were being mobbed Also mandatory anti-bias and cultural competency training sounds like something from South Park Student groups upset that accurate portrayals of their behavior were communicated to media because they then look bad for having done it. I can only imagine what the training involves. You're mobbing someone refusing to bow to demands that all white people leave campus for a day. His form of protest is more effective than your form of counter-protest (so long as video is captured of the event). Given the thread is full of clueless takes on what was actually happening it's impressive you managed to make the worst. The reason there was an action goes WAAAYYYYYY beyond the professor. Firstly, despite being a liberal college in WA its still a remarkably racist place (partly due to how white Olympia is). So it's not just a few months or years, this college has been dealing with racist hippies and liberals since it's inception. That said there was no "Anti-White" or "No-whites" day as I've seen it reported and the professor insinuated. That he's too dense to understand what the Day of Absence, Day of Presence observation is (been going on for years on campus) and interpreted it as "Anti-white" or "No Whites" day is simply idiotic. Every single thing says that all are welcome and people are encouraged to choose which events they wish to attend, also there's no damn obligation to observe it at all. That idiotic sites on the right would spin this as so much more than it is doesn't surprise me. All that said it wasn't an impressive way to confront the professor for his stupidity, but it's apparently not the first time for him. All this is coming out slowly since the students aren't familiar with PR but rest assured no one here has any idea what they are talking about regarding the long standing issues at Evergreen that resulted in these particular actions. Additionally and without surprise, cops targeted students of color and one officer even had to be removed because as his SGT said "he was out of control". But go on folks, pining about the perils of expressive college students or "fascists" as some of the dumber posts suggested instead of the abusive police response or the ongoing racial tensions on campus. When the equity council, advising on behalf of the POC community at Evergreen, are telling professors and staff that we need mandatory training and accountability and the response is complaints that it is unfair to white people at the school this showcases exactly why this type of training is needed. This blatant ignorance of white privilege, show of white fragility and refusal to acknowledge how white supremacy affects people of color at Evergreen is white privilege in action. The white fragility illustrated by Weinstein and the other faculty and staff he claims support him are a way of derailing progress toward equity The professor is right, woe be unto us if we don't understand that it is really the white man that is being persecuted on the Evergreen campus. I wish you wouldn't pull out the "what about" card... this is a big problem because it hurts the credibility of people protesting real issues... (no idea if this protest is a real issue or not, but their behavior made me turn off the video after 2 minutes) Im not American, clearly, and get most of my US news here or various podcasts, but it feels like stuff like this is just free propaganda material and a distraction away from more important problems (as you yourself noted).
Let's be clear about what the overarching issue is.
America has always been racist. I think this is something we agree on. Slavery, segregation, are racist. The argument from white folks is that sometime after Jim Crow the racism in the US reached an acceptable or "not much" level. That's categorically wrong and white Americans refuse to admit or deal with it.
How black people present this to white Americans for the 10,000,000,000,000k time has less bearing on progress than a single white American recognizing their role
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It actually matters because it's fighting the wrong battles and tearing down allies. It matters because this happened this mischaracterization of American intellectuals have created unnecessary firestorms over the wrong things- you can see intellectuals with past experience in the same sort of mob attacks coming out to support Brett: Nicolas Christakis and Sam Harris for instance.
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Can we please not call Sam Harris an intellectual, he's like the Deepak Chopra of internet atheism
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Their responses are idiotic and uninformed. they were going off of not even understanding what the event is. He wasn't defying a ban of white people on campus like people want to make it sound and no one was going to harm him (god people are so terrified of POC, even though many of the obnoxious voices appeared to by white allies).
The police saying "they couldn't keep him safe" is typical scaremongering. He was under no threat to his safety, the only thing under assault was his white fragility. Meanwhile police did actually assault students and the cafeteria cook went on a power trip and said he couldn't feed the group of POC for fear they would raid the fridge.
White people complaining about "fascist students" or "eating their own" don't realize those people aren't acting as allies in those times so they won't be treated as if they are. He couldn't understand that he was perfectly welcome to attend any event he wanted, on or off campus.
Then that a bunch of conservatives used it to get their panties in a bunch is laughable. That it's not THE WHITE POWER STRUCTURE preserving itself, but the oppressed people not communicating correctly that preserves it. It's so asinine I can't believe people keep repeating it.
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Nicholas Christakis, whom I don't know, with the characterization of what happened that appears to be based on the far right account of what happened (incorrect email as the source of the controversy, and incorrect idea that the controversy was caused by emails alone in the first place) and yet the claim of liberalism thrown in the middle, a true classic; and Sam Harris, whom I didn't miss a single bit, doing an excellent impersonation of what one would expect Sam Harris to do. Not sure what I'm supposed to draw from this other than "an usual day on the interwebs".
I'm however interested in the specific instance of "day of absence" from this year, as you asked about as well (well, "should have asked", but asserted instead). Cause if we look at the program that GH linked it doesn't really match the picture that Weinstein was painting.
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