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On May 27 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 08:57 Doodsmack wrote:On May 27 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:04 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 07:53 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote:
Giving the Trump Foundation money is literally giving Trump money because Trump has repeatedly been caught double dealing and fined by the IRS for doing so. Making a donation to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library Fund is not giving Hillary money. The World Bank donation is comparable to the Presidential Library donation. Donating to a Clinton Foundation is not comparable to donating to the Trump Foundation because only one of them has been found to be used as a slush fund to help the founder.
I'm disappointed in you Danglars. Not surprised, but still disappointed. I again find reason to question your judgement. Tarring the world bank, or asking the reader to consider it another kind of presidential library, is absolutely born from this elections hysteria. If you consider two dissimilar things similar in your mind, we will forever not come to terms on it, not even on the grounds of argument. I'm truly saddened that your politics has gotten in the way of your critiques of charity, but hopefully some years will soften your views. I have nothing against the World Bank, nor against the donation. I am simply drawing attention to Trump's hypocrisy. He's the one who believes that a charitable donation must be judged only by the source, regardless of how the money is spent. I do not. Cease your straw men. Straw men? I called reporter's characterizations of this fund as "Ivanka's fund" fake news (it is) and in response I got only movement of goalposts to broad corruption. The world bank announced a fund created to help women entrepreneurs at an Ivanka event and Saudi Arabia/UAE sign on. But left-wing politics is a hostile mistress, so immediately this is the Ivanka Fund. It's immediately hypocrisy to criticize Hillary and the Clinton Foundation (hmm I wonder who chooses the leadership of that one). But, you know, Trump's bad and a hypocrite so we can shape the story as we wish without regard for truth content. He should be grinning from ear to ear to know all his faults get filtered through three false stories for every one true, so he's able to claim all of it is bogus and maybe a third of America will believe it. You're doing a great job helping him out on this. The story is Trump's hypocrisy. How are you not getting this? Come on. It's not hard. Trump said that donations from Saudi Arabia should be refused and then presented this donation as a success. That's hypocrisy. You can surely see why that's hypocrisy. That's what their point is. That's the story. The story is the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy I just explained. It's not fake news. Trump really said that Saudi Arabian donations should be refused and returned. I'm calling attention to the false characterization with clear intent to a different kind of hypocrisy. Ivanka Fund and Clinton Foundation because reporters remembered how effective that line of attack was during the campaign. It's not hard but you can't see it. The media published fake news through twitter intending to mislead on where the money went, and Trump tweeted about SA & the Clinton Foundation in the past--both true. If the Ivanka Fund was Trump Foundation, or a new Ivanka & Jared Foundation, you'd have a point rather than grasping at straws. If you started a world bank outreach, I wouldn't myself duty-bound to oppose it. There is zero chance that Saudi Arabia would attempt to gain influence with the Trump family through a donation to a charity started by Ivanka. Clearly it's just liberal media fake news. She neither started a new charity nor controls how this charity spends the money.
Who cares how the charity spends the money? Do you still not get it, or at this point, are you just pretending because you're out of apologies?
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Surely this must be the turning point? Kushner is Trumps closest trustee pretty much. How can they allow him to keep office after this
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On May 27 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 08:57 Doodsmack wrote:On May 27 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:04 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 07:53 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote:
Giving the Trump Foundation money is literally giving Trump money because Trump has repeatedly been caught double dealing and fined by the IRS for doing so. Making a donation to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library Fund is not giving Hillary money. The World Bank donation is comparable to the Presidential Library donation. Donating to a Clinton Foundation is not comparable to donating to the Trump Foundation because only one of them has been found to be used as a slush fund to help the founder.
I'm disappointed in you Danglars. Not surprised, but still disappointed. I again find reason to question your judgement. Tarring the world bank, or asking the reader to consider it another kind of presidential library, is absolutely born from this elections hysteria. If you consider two dissimilar things similar in your mind, we will forever not come to terms on it, not even on the grounds of argument. I'm truly saddened that your politics has gotten in the way of your critiques of charity, but hopefully some years will soften your views. I have nothing against the World Bank, nor against the donation. I am simply drawing attention to Trump's hypocrisy. He's the one who believes that a charitable donation must be judged only by the source, regardless of how the money is spent. I do not. Cease your straw men. Straw men? I called reporter's characterizations of this fund as "Ivanka's fund" fake news (it is) and in response I got only movement of goalposts to broad corruption. The world bank announced a fund created to help women entrepreneurs at an Ivanka event and Saudi Arabia/UAE sign on. But left-wing politics is a hostile mistress, so immediately this is the Ivanka Fund. It's immediately hypocrisy to criticize Hillary and the Clinton Foundation (hmm I wonder who chooses the leadership of that one). But, you know, Trump's bad and a hypocrite so we can shape the story as we wish without regard for truth content. He should be grinning from ear to ear to know all his faults get filtered through three false stories for every one true, so he's able to claim all of it is bogus and maybe a third of America will believe it. You're doing a great job helping him out on this. The story is Trump's hypocrisy. How are you not getting this? Come on. It's not hard. Trump said that donations from Saudi Arabia should be refused and then presented this donation as a success. That's hypocrisy. You can surely see why that's hypocrisy. That's what their point is. That's the story. The story is the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy I just explained. It's not fake news. Trump really said that Saudi Arabian donations should be refused and returned. I'm calling attention to the false characterization with clear intent to a different kind of hypocrisy. Ivanka Fund and Clinton Foundation because reporters remembered how effective that line of attack was during the campaign. It's not hard but you can't see it. The media published fake news through twitter intending to mislead on where the money went, and Trump tweeted about SA & the Clinton Foundation in the past--both true. If the Ivanka Fund was Trump Foundation, or a new Ivanka & Jared Foundation, you'd have a point rather than grasping at straws. If you started a world bank outreach, I wouldn't myself duty-bound to oppose it. There is zero chance that Saudi Arabia would attempt to gain influence with the Trump family through a donation to a charity started by Ivanka. Clearly it's just liberal media fake news. She neither started a new charity nor controls how this charity spends the money.
And the Clintons had put "safe guards" in place at the foundation. If you are going to be naive about one, why not both?
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On May 27 2017 09:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Surely this must be the turning point? Kushner is Trumps closest trustee pretty much. How can they allow him to keep office after this
Well if you go by some examples in this thread of his supporters, .. It's not that surprising, is it.
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On May 27 2017 09:24 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Surely this must be the turning point? Kushner is Trumps closest trustee pretty much. How can they allow him to keep office after this
I don't think it is. There's no real turning point in this situation until Trump is totally out of office. Is what Kushner did even illegal? It should be, but is it?
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No. Kushner isn't going anywhere. But him failing to disclose this on his security clearance forms will be a legal hook into the whitehouse. What he communicated won't be won't sinks Trump, but Kushner and co. lying on all their forms will provide the process leverage to go after them.
KUSHNER, BANNON INVOLVED IN 'WAR ROOM'
Jared Kushner, a senior adviser to Trump, will be involved in the new strategic messaging operation, as will Steve Bannon, another top adviser who specializes in managing Trump’s populist appeal and shaping his political image, the sources said. Bannon and Trump’s chief of staff, Reince Priebus, have been laying the groundwork for the plan this week, they added.
On Thursday, NBC News and the Washington Post reported that Kushner, who held several meetings with Russian officials following the election, is a focus of the probe, making him the first current White House official to be caught up in it, although Kushner, who is Trump's son-in-law, has not been accused of any wrongdoing.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-warroom-idUSKBN18M2FU
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United States44442 Posts
On May 27 2017 09:33 Nevuk wrote:
Is it even illegal? It should be, but is it?
That'd be the tagline on a documentary they made about Trump's life.
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On May 27 2017 09:23 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:57 Doodsmack wrote:On May 27 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:04 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 07:53 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote:
Giving the Trump Foundation money is literally giving Trump money because Trump has repeatedly been caught double dealing and fined by the IRS for doing so. Making a donation to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library Fund is not giving Hillary money. The World Bank donation is comparable to the Presidential Library donation. Donating to a Clinton Foundation is not comparable to donating to the Trump Foundation because only one of them has been found to be used as a slush fund to help the founder.
I'm disappointed in you Danglars. Not surprised, but still disappointed. I again find reason to question your judgement. Tarring the world bank, or asking the reader to consider it another kind of presidential library, is absolutely born from this elections hysteria. If you consider two dissimilar things similar in your mind, we will forever not come to terms on it, not even on the grounds of argument. I'm truly saddened that your politics has gotten in the way of your critiques of charity, but hopefully some years will soften your views. I have nothing against the World Bank, nor against the donation. I am simply drawing attention to Trump's hypocrisy. He's the one who believes that a charitable donation must be judged only by the source, regardless of how the money is spent. I do not. Cease your straw men. Straw men? I called reporter's characterizations of this fund as "Ivanka's fund" fake news (it is) and in response I got only movement of goalposts to broad corruption. The world bank announced a fund created to help women entrepreneurs at an Ivanka event and Saudi Arabia/UAE sign on. But left-wing politics is a hostile mistress, so immediately this is the Ivanka Fund. It's immediately hypocrisy to criticize Hillary and the Clinton Foundation (hmm I wonder who chooses the leadership of that one). But, you know, Trump's bad and a hypocrite so we can shape the story as we wish without regard for truth content. He should be grinning from ear to ear to know all his faults get filtered through three false stories for every one true, so he's able to claim all of it is bogus and maybe a third of America will believe it. You're doing a great job helping him out on this. The story is Trump's hypocrisy. How are you not getting this? Come on. It's not hard. Trump said that donations from Saudi Arabia should be refused and then presented this donation as a success. That's hypocrisy. You can surely see why that's hypocrisy. That's what their point is. That's the story. The story is the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy I just explained. It's not fake news. Trump really said that Saudi Arabian donations should be refused and returned. I'm calling attention to the false characterization with clear intent to a different kind of hypocrisy. Ivanka Fund and Clinton Foundation because reporters remembered how effective that line of attack was during the campaign. It's not hard but you can't see it. The media published fake news through twitter intending to mislead on where the money went, and Trump tweeted about SA & the Clinton Foundation in the past--both true. If the Ivanka Fund was Trump Foundation, or a new Ivanka & Jared Foundation, you'd have a point rather than grasping at straws. If you started a world bank outreach, I wouldn't myself duty-bound to oppose it. There is zero chance that Saudi Arabia would attempt to gain influence with the Trump family through a donation to a charity started by Ivanka. Clearly it's just liberal media fake news. She neither started a new charity nor controls how this charity spends the money. Who cares how the charity spends the money? Do you still not get it, or at this point, are you just pretending because you're out of apologies?
If Ivanka doesn't run it, if she doesn't control who runs it, it's not her fund. It's fake news, dishonest, and sadly typical.
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On May 27 2017 09:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:57 Doodsmack wrote:On May 27 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:04 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 07:53 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote:
Giving the Trump Foundation money is literally giving Trump money because Trump has repeatedly been caught double dealing and fined by the IRS for doing so. Making a donation to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library Fund is not giving Hillary money. The World Bank donation is comparable to the Presidential Library donation. Donating to a Clinton Foundation is not comparable to donating to the Trump Foundation because only one of them has been found to be used as a slush fund to help the founder.
I'm disappointed in you Danglars. Not surprised, but still disappointed. I again find reason to question your judgement. Tarring the world bank, or asking the reader to consider it another kind of presidential library, is absolutely born from this elections hysteria. If you consider two dissimilar things similar in your mind, we will forever not come to terms on it, not even on the grounds of argument. I'm truly saddened that your politics has gotten in the way of your critiques of charity, but hopefully some years will soften your views. I have nothing against the World Bank, nor against the donation. I am simply drawing attention to Trump's hypocrisy. He's the one who believes that a charitable donation must be judged only by the source, regardless of how the money is spent. I do not. Cease your straw men. Straw men? I called reporter's characterizations of this fund as "Ivanka's fund" fake news (it is) and in response I got only movement of goalposts to broad corruption. The world bank announced a fund created to help women entrepreneurs at an Ivanka event and Saudi Arabia/UAE sign on. But left-wing politics is a hostile mistress, so immediately this is the Ivanka Fund. It's immediately hypocrisy to criticize Hillary and the Clinton Foundation (hmm I wonder who chooses the leadership of that one). But, you know, Trump's bad and a hypocrite so we can shape the story as we wish without regard for truth content. He should be grinning from ear to ear to know all his faults get filtered through three false stories for every one true, so he's able to claim all of it is bogus and maybe a third of America will believe it. You're doing a great job helping him out on this. The story is Trump's hypocrisy. How are you not getting this? Come on. It's not hard. Trump said that donations from Saudi Arabia should be refused and then presented this donation as a success. That's hypocrisy. You can surely see why that's hypocrisy. That's what their point is. That's the story. The story is the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy I just explained. It's not fake news. Trump really said that Saudi Arabian donations should be refused and returned. I'm calling attention to the false characterization with clear intent to a different kind of hypocrisy. Ivanka Fund and Clinton Foundation because reporters remembered how effective that line of attack was during the campaign. It's not hard but you can't see it. The media published fake news through twitter intending to mislead on where the money went, and Trump tweeted about SA & the Clinton Foundation in the past--both true. If the Ivanka Fund was Trump Foundation, or a new Ivanka & Jared Foundation, you'd have a point rather than grasping at straws. If you started a world bank outreach, I wouldn't myself duty-bound to oppose it. There is zero chance that Saudi Arabia would attempt to gain influence with the Trump family through a donation to a charity started by Ivanka. Clearly it's just liberal media fake news. She neither started a new charity nor controls how this charity spends the money. And the Clintons had put "safe guards" in place at the foundation. If you are going to be naive about one, why not both?
If you get all ancy about Clinton's Foundation when I talk about false reporting on the World Bank, maybe the problem is being naive about everything all the time.
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Canada13431 Posts
Kushner spoke to Kislyak twice before the election and before he had a position ... hmmmm
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On May 27 2017 10:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 09:23 m4ini wrote:On May 27 2017 09:18 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:57 Doodsmack wrote:On May 27 2017 08:45 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:25 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 08:22 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 08:04 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2017 07:53 Danglars wrote:On May 27 2017 07:32 KwarK wrote:
Giving the Trump Foundation money is literally giving Trump money because Trump has repeatedly been caught double dealing and fined by the IRS for doing so. Making a donation to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library Fund is not giving Hillary money. The World Bank donation is comparable to the Presidential Library donation. Donating to a Clinton Foundation is not comparable to donating to the Trump Foundation because only one of them has been found to be used as a slush fund to help the founder.
I'm disappointed in you Danglars. Not surprised, but still disappointed. I again find reason to question your judgement. Tarring the world bank, or asking the reader to consider it another kind of presidential library, is absolutely born from this elections hysteria. If you consider two dissimilar things similar in your mind, we will forever not come to terms on it, not even on the grounds of argument. I'm truly saddened that your politics has gotten in the way of your critiques of charity, but hopefully some years will soften your views. I have nothing against the World Bank, nor against the donation. I am simply drawing attention to Trump's hypocrisy. He's the one who believes that a charitable donation must be judged only by the source, regardless of how the money is spent. I do not. Cease your straw men. Straw men? I called reporter's characterizations of this fund as "Ivanka's fund" fake news (it is) and in response I got only movement of goalposts to broad corruption. The world bank announced a fund created to help women entrepreneurs at an Ivanka event and Saudi Arabia/UAE sign on. But left-wing politics is a hostile mistress, so immediately this is the Ivanka Fund. It's immediately hypocrisy to criticize Hillary and the Clinton Foundation (hmm I wonder who chooses the leadership of that one). But, you know, Trump's bad and a hypocrite so we can shape the story as we wish without regard for truth content. He should be grinning from ear to ear to know all his faults get filtered through three false stories for every one true, so he's able to claim all of it is bogus and maybe a third of America will believe it. You're doing a great job helping him out on this. The story is Trump's hypocrisy. How are you not getting this? Come on. It's not hard. Trump said that donations from Saudi Arabia should be refused and then presented this donation as a success. That's hypocrisy. You can surely see why that's hypocrisy. That's what their point is. That's the story. The story is the hypocrisy. The hypocrisy I just explained. It's not fake news. Trump really said that Saudi Arabian donations should be refused and returned. I'm calling attention to the false characterization with clear intent to a different kind of hypocrisy. Ivanka Fund and Clinton Foundation because reporters remembered how effective that line of attack was during the campaign. It's not hard but you can't see it. The media published fake news through twitter intending to mislead on where the money went, and Trump tweeted about SA & the Clinton Foundation in the past--both true. If the Ivanka Fund was Trump Foundation, or a new Ivanka & Jared Foundation, you'd have a point rather than grasping at straws. If you started a world bank outreach, I wouldn't myself duty-bound to oppose it. There is zero chance that Saudi Arabia would attempt to gain influence with the Trump family through a donation to a charity started by Ivanka. Clearly it's just liberal media fake news. She neither started a new charity nor controls how this charity spends the money. Who cares how the charity spends the money? Do you still not get it, or at this point, are you just pretending because you're out of apologies? If Ivanka doesn't run it, if she doesn't control who runs it, it's not her fund. It's fake news, dishonest, and sadly typical.
Your naivety amazing. You really believe a Trump charity can be taken at face value.
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Naivety is a generous way to describe t
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It is crazy he doesn't outright deny it.
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Sounds juicy. Unlike Flynn this guy seems just unimportant enough that he might be given the chance to spill the beans.
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I wonder if they could revoke Kushners security clearance. That would effectively shut him out of any power or influence.
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Over under that he winds up dead in 7.5 days?
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Dems are calling for it. not sure how that would go though.
former US ambassador to Russia
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On May 27 2017 11:04 Gahlo wrote:
Over under that he winds up dead in 7.5 days?
extremely unlikely he'd be killed. he also doesn't have enough clout in russia to be worth killing; and at any rate is far too risky to go after.
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