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The Democrats need to get off the impeachment high and just go through the process. They need to convince the public that the only answer is to remove Trump from office. These early calls for impeachment are not productive and make them appear over eager to nullify an election.
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On May 18 2017 00:01 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 23:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It has been discussed via Claude Taylor that there are recordings of Ryan and McConnell discussing using Russian funds to finance GOP campaigns.
Seems a bit premature at this point. I hope we aren't wasting ammo for the sake of optics, and rage over incompetence.
With Trumps ego the more you poke him the bigger the chance becomes that he will lash out and add more fuel to the fire.
Its worked plenty of times sofar.
That said, I agree its a pointless and empty gesture.
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On May 17 2017 23:25 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 23:16 IgnE wrote:On May 17 2017 19:33 Acrofales wrote:On May 17 2017 18:31 pmh wrote:On May 17 2017 17:00 Grumbels wrote:On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
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The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen. A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom. You are misreading the situation. A lot is wrong with trump but the true fascists are to be found on the other side. The medias constant attacks and very polarized reporting is what has certain fascist implications,though in a very subtle way. Trump is just a clown,basicly harmless. Even wallstreet seems to agree with this, at least for now. He might be a dictator if he could,but there is no way he can be in America so that doesn't worry me at all. The media on the other hand,but ok enough about them lol. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this argument in absentia before I just report you for breaking thread rules and let the mods sort it out. How is the media "fascist"? I'll help you by giving the definition of fascist:
an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
and here is the definition of fascism: that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Lets see. Does the media support a centralized autocratic government? Given their treatment of Trump, it sure doesn't look like they support this government. Perhaps you'd like to try and argue that they are fighting in favour of a more centralized and autocratic government? I'll just say "citation needed" and leave it at that. Does the media support a dictatorial leader? I´ll just feel free to answer for all of "the media" you happily lumped together and answer for all of them: hell no. Except perhaps Breitbart, who is fully in support of the great orange orangutan. Does the media advocate nationalism and elevating race over individual? No, that would also be the great orange orangutan, who came into the white house on a wave of nationalism and racism. And because you are particularly juxtaposing the media as opposed to Trump, you are clearly not talking about the pernicious problem of covering Trump 24/7 and thereby highlighting his platform. Does the media support economic and social regimentation? I have no idea. If that's the aspect of fascism you were trying to highlight, I'll let you make the argument. That leaves the final aspect of fascism: "forcible oppression of the opposition". Which you might want to accuse the media of. Unfortunately for you, the media does not use force, so it doesn't really apply. Moreover, this is not unique to fascism. In fact, none of these points are, fascism is the ideology that arises from the combination of all of this. You can't just throw words around that you think are "bad" and hope they mean something other than they do. it seems like you've defined your terms in such a way that a state's media can never be fascist, at least because the media doesn't use "force" (here strangely construed to include only physical use of). do you think it's possible for a media to be "fascist?" Given that fascism is a form of government, the obvious answer is no. Maybe if they were lockstep with an authoritarian government, regardless of whether what the government was telling the truth?
so only governments can be fascist
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On May 17 2017 23:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 23:16 IgnE wrote:On May 17 2017 19:33 Acrofales wrote:On May 17 2017 18:31 pmh wrote:On May 17 2017 17:00 Grumbels wrote:On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen. A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom. You are misreading the situation. A lot is wrong with trump but the true fascists are to be found on the other side. The medias constant attacks and very polarized reporting is what has certain fascist implications,though in a very subtle way. Trump is just a clown,basicly harmless. Even wallstreet seems to agree with this, at least for now. He might be a dictator if he could,but there is no way he can be in America so that doesn't worry me at all. The media on the other hand,but ok enough about them lol. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this argument in absentia before I just report you for breaking thread rules and let the mods sort it out. How is the media "fascist"? I'll help you by giving the definition of fascist:
an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
and here is the definition of fascism: that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Lets see. Does the media support a centralized autocratic government? Given their treatment of Trump, it sure doesn't look like they support this government. Perhaps you'd like to try and argue that they are fighting in favour of a more centralized and autocratic government? I'll just say "citation needed" and leave it at that. Does the media support a dictatorial leader? I´ll just feel free to answer for all of "the media" you happily lumped together and answer for all of them: hell no. Except perhaps Breitbart, who is fully in support of the great orange orangutan. Does the media advocate nationalism and elevating race over individual? No, that would also be the great orange orangutan, who came into the white house on a wave of nationalism and racism. And because you are particularly juxtaposing the media as opposed to Trump, you are clearly not talking about the pernicious problem of covering Trump 24/7 and thereby highlighting his platform. Does the media support economic and social regimentation? I have no idea. If that's the aspect of fascism you were trying to highlight, I'll let you make the argument. That leaves the final aspect of fascism: "forcible oppression of the opposition". Which you might want to accuse the media of. Unfortunately for you, the media does not use force, so it doesn't really apply. Moreover, this is not unique to fascism. In fact, none of these points are, fascism is the ideology that arises from the combination of all of this. You can't just throw words around that you think are "bad" and hope they mean something other than they do. it seems like you've defined your terms in such a way that a state's media can never be fascist, at least because the media doesn't use "force" (here strangely construed to include only physical use of). do you think it's possible for a media to be "fascist?" You're smarter than that. Are you trying to claim that the media is fascist, or are you just being pedantic? As for whether the media *can* be fascist. Of course it can. Goebbels proved that 80 years ago.
im not trying to claim the media is fascist i just disagree with how you arrived at that conclusion
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On May 18 2017 00:04 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 23:25 ChristianS wrote:On May 17 2017 23:16 IgnE wrote:On May 17 2017 19:33 Acrofales wrote:On May 17 2017 18:31 pmh wrote:On May 17 2017 17:00 Grumbels wrote:On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen. A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom. You are misreading the situation. A lot is wrong with trump but the true fascists are to be found on the other side. The medias constant attacks and very polarized reporting is what has certain fascist implications,though in a very subtle way. Trump is just a clown,basicly harmless. Even wallstreet seems to agree with this, at least for now. He might be a dictator if he could,but there is no way he can be in America so that doesn't worry me at all. The media on the other hand,but ok enough about them lol. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this argument in absentia before I just report you for breaking thread rules and let the mods sort it out. How is the media "fascist"? I'll help you by giving the definition of fascist:
an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
and here is the definition of fascism: that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Lets see. Does the media support a centralized autocratic government? Given their treatment of Trump, it sure doesn't look like they support this government. Perhaps you'd like to try and argue that they are fighting in favour of a more centralized and autocratic government? I'll just say "citation needed" and leave it at that. Does the media support a dictatorial leader? I´ll just feel free to answer for all of "the media" you happily lumped together and answer for all of them: hell no. Except perhaps Breitbart, who is fully in support of the great orange orangutan. Does the media advocate nationalism and elevating race over individual? No, that would also be the great orange orangutan, who came into the white house on a wave of nationalism and racism. And because you are particularly juxtaposing the media as opposed to Trump, you are clearly not talking about the pernicious problem of covering Trump 24/7 and thereby highlighting his platform. Does the media support economic and social regimentation? I have no idea. If that's the aspect of fascism you were trying to highlight, I'll let you make the argument. That leaves the final aspect of fascism: "forcible oppression of the opposition". Which you might want to accuse the media of. Unfortunately for you, the media does not use force, so it doesn't really apply. Moreover, this is not unique to fascism. In fact, none of these points are, fascism is the ideology that arises from the combination of all of this. You can't just throw words around that you think are "bad" and hope they mean something other than they do. it seems like you've defined your terms in such a way that a state's media can never be fascist, at least because the media doesn't use "force" (here strangely construed to include only physical use of). do you think it's possible for a media to be "fascist?" Given that fascism is a form of government, the obvious answer is no. Maybe if they were lockstep with an authoritarian government, regardless of whether what the government was telling the truth? so only governments can be fascist
If you are looking for the purest definition of the term, yes. Non-state media and organizations can have the traits of fascism, but they are not a government. The government doesn’t need to be national in scale. It could be a single town or even a community.
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or even a community of one
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I think the impeachment calls are mostly just a method for trying to push Ryan into committing about this. Especially if he's going to give non-answers about why Comey didn't resign immediately.
They won't affect Trump unless they become the #1 cable television story on his preferred "fake news" networks, which is unlikely. Much easier to just give CNN an interview if you want to blow his gasket. Kind of like hiding medicine in cat food, and Trump is too stupid to take out the medicine.
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Canada13389 Posts
Honestly, if it gets people on record and forces some of congress to REALLY think about it, thats important. Sometimes you just need a small push to get a ball rolling. Thats what this seems like it is. Create debate, get more info to force some sort of decision making progress etc.
I don't expect anything from it but its early days still.
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On May 18 2017 00:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:Already happened hehe
I heard a sermon watching that. Turned it off after 90 seconds.
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United States42701 Posts
Republicans dare not publicly support impeachment due to the risk of alienating the Trump fanbase which has seized control of the party and until Republicans are willing to put country before career there isn't anything to it. At this point everyone is aware of what the facts are.
To paraphrase Kellyanne Conway, the government's facts have become unsustainable.
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Canada13389 Posts
His base will never let him go, I honestly believe that trump's truest fanbase has entered into a cult.
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On May 18 2017 00:02 Plansix wrote:
The Democrats need to get off the impeachment high and just go through the process. They need to convince the public that the only answer is to remove Trump from office. These early calls for impeachment are not productive and make them appear over eager to nullify an election.
good point.
plus Trump's most idiotic changes won't get through the legislative process. The Democrats yap away as though Trump is Ayatollah Khomeini and we're in 1979 Iran.
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Less than two days after it was reported that President Donald Trump divulged highly classified information with Russian officials at a White House meeting, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he was willing to share a transcript of the conversation to Congress. He pointed out he would only provide the evidence if the Trump administration was the one making the request.
Putin is stating that Trump did not pass on any secrets to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov during the meeting and the transcripts should prove it.
As reported by CNN, the Kremlin originally said they had a “recording” of the conversation between Trump and Lavrov. The government, however, swiftly backtracked “clarifying” that what they really meant were written transcripts due to a stenographer being in the room.
Perhaps the backtracking by Russia over the possession of audio recordings of the meeting has to do with the fuss over a Russian state news agency getting exclusive access to an Oval Office meeting.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/vladimir-putin-claims-he-has-recordings-of-trump-lavrov-meeting-before-backtracking/
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That is some high level trolling from Putin and will do Trump no favors. Congress wouldn’t never trust that transcript. The real fireworks will happen if Trump is dumb enough to accept that offer.
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is it not odd that mediaite had removed all references to kislyak in their quoting of WaPo? and in their own reporting of the story.
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On May 17 2017 21:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Hooray!
I'm really happy about this, nothing better Obama could have done his last days in office.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Obama was a huge hypocrite on the whistleblower issue. And while I think that reducing a sentence for leaking from perpetuity to seven years is better than nothing it shouldn't be treated as anything other than a reduction of an unfairly long sentence.
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The trump base is the country to Ryan. Once an overwhelming majority of the country is against him or he does something public that trump can't spin he's still got an obligation for an unreasonable doubt.
Although if anything I don't think Trump's going to get anywhere in office now.
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On May 17 2017 10:44 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 10:23 zlefin wrote:
given the known information on wisdom of crowds effects; a hivemind/ai aggregate is likely to produce poor decisions a lot of the time.
it's well documented that referenda yield lousy decisions a lot of the time.
it's far better to use filtration mechanisms to weed out the foolish.
better fix is to devise better forms of government than democracy. Or an educational system that teaches people -- all people -- things like how their government actually works so they won't treat it like some black box that they can scream into. I know that we think this is an insoluble problem, but it seems a bit simpler than redesigning the government or electing an artificial intelligence to do the job (seriously?)
more civics education would be nice; though there is already a fair bit of it.
but even with civics education, that's hardly enough to counter the significant known issues.
but it's surely a good place to start work for now, one which i'd gladly endorse. as well as more teaching thinking skills.
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On May 18 2017 00:04 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 23:25 ChristianS wrote:On May 17 2017 23:16 IgnE wrote:On May 17 2017 19:33 Acrofales wrote:On May 17 2017 18:31 pmh wrote:On May 17 2017 17:00 Grumbels wrote:On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen. A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom. You are misreading the situation. A lot is wrong with trump but the true fascists are to be found on the other side. The medias constant attacks and very polarized reporting is what has certain fascist implications,though in a very subtle way. Trump is just a clown,basicly harmless. Even wallstreet seems to agree with this, at least for now. He might be a dictator if he could,but there is no way he can be in America so that doesn't worry me at all. The media on the other hand,but ok enough about them lol. I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this argument in absentia before I just report you for breaking thread rules and let the mods sort it out. How is the media "fascist"? I'll help you by giving the definition of fascist:
an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
and here is the definition of fascism: that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Lets see. Does the media support a centralized autocratic government? Given their treatment of Trump, it sure doesn't look like they support this government. Perhaps you'd like to try and argue that they are fighting in favour of a more centralized and autocratic government? I'll just say "citation needed" and leave it at that. Does the media support a dictatorial leader? I´ll just feel free to answer for all of "the media" you happily lumped together and answer for all of them: hell no. Except perhaps Breitbart, who is fully in support of the great orange orangutan. Does the media advocate nationalism and elevating race over individual? No, that would also be the great orange orangutan, who came into the white house on a wave of nationalism and racism. And because you are particularly juxtaposing the media as opposed to Trump, you are clearly not talking about the pernicious problem of covering Trump 24/7 and thereby highlighting his platform. Does the media support economic and social regimentation? I have no idea. If that's the aspect of fascism you were trying to highlight, I'll let you make the argument. That leaves the final aspect of fascism: "forcible oppression of the opposition". Which you might want to accuse the media of. Unfortunately for you, the media does not use force, so it doesn't really apply. Moreover, this is not unique to fascism. In fact, none of these points are, fascism is the ideology that arises from the combination of all of this. You can't just throw words around that you think are "bad" and hope they mean something other than they do. it seems like you've defined your terms in such a way that a state's media can never be fascist, at least because the media doesn't use "force" (here strangely construed to include only physical use of). do you think it's possible for a media to be "fascist?" Given that fascism is a form of government, the obvious answer is no. Maybe if they were lockstep with an authoritarian government, regardless of whether what the government was telling the truth? so only governments can be fascist
Well it gets a little funny with the definitions, no? I mean, if you talk about fascism as a form of government, then definitionally, yes. It's like asking if the media can be bicameral or if the media is a representative democracy.
There are other definitions for sure. One is an ideology centered around the fetishization of power and lethal force. When Scott Walker said we should revere our police officers and armed forces, that was fascist in a very literal sense. So the media could do that for sure.
Do they? I don't really think so. GH might argue their coverage isn't very honest in cases of police brutality, and at times I might agree, but if "Blue Lives Matter" rhetoric is all it takes to be fascist, then the media, the Republican party, and most of the country are fascist, at which point the term is kind of watered down.
I'd think that the term fascism really ought to be reserved for autocratic, authoritarian governments and those that favor them, especially when ethnocentrism rears its ugly head.
Do you think the media is fascist? By what definition do you find that a reasonable description?
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