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{CC}StealthBlue
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JimmyJRaynor
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On May 18 2017 02:11 Plansix wrote: The problem with corporate fascism is that is sounds slightly hysterical and over urgent. Fascism is something you go to war with, that is an direct and immediate threat to people. That is not the current media to most people. Of course, you are free to refer to it any way you want. But if the intent is an effort to communicate ideas, that may not be the most effective word to communicate with. even though Plansix really hates "losing" arguments about video game stuff.... and he gets all cranky and sucky about it. i must say, he is hitting 'em out of the park today with these posts. | ||
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Acrofales
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Plansix
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It is now confirmed that these were the president's bodyguards. I'm not really sure how the US responds to this, but we can't ignore it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 18 2017 02:20 Acrofales wrote: Get in on it now. It's make up your -ism day! Not sure if you're referencing my post but both of those concepts predate my use. Intersectional imperialism would look like "Marine Le Pen hopes to break glass ceiling in unprecedented French presidential TV debate" and there's a book on Corporate Feudalism. They might not be widely accepted and fully flushed out ideas, but I didn't come up with the terms. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:20 Acrofales wrote: Get in on it now. It's make up your -ism day! ismism - the belief that everything can be codified into an ism, and if it can't then you just make up your own definition and declare immediate supremacy of your own ismism. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Not sure if you're referencing my post but both of those concepts predate my use. Intersectional imperialism would look like "Marine Le Pen hopes to break glass ceiling in unprecedented French presidential TV debate" and there's a book on Corporate Feudalism. They might not be widely accepted and fully flushed out ideas, but I didn't come up with the terms. So corporate feudalism is the same as neofeudalism? Or is there something separate from it. And yeah, what I've seen about neofeudalism is even more meaningless than actual feudalism (you should ask plansix about that one). Neofeudalism seems to be a catch-all term for modern stuff you don't like that has something vaguely to do with a stratified society. That book at least seems to have something of a definition, but I haven't read it, so I'll leave judging whether "corporate feudalism" is a thing (other than a fancy sounding book title) to those who have. I understand intersectionality. I have no idea what the "imperialism" has to do with it. And when I google it, I don't get much wiser. But it was just a general observation of the last page with people throwing obscure isms around as if they had some meaning outside of whatever they wished for them to mean at that exact moment. E: On May 18 2017 02:31 biology]major wrote: ismism - the belief that everything can be codified into an ism, and if it can't then you just make up your own definition and declare immediate supremacy of your own ismism. Lol. Spot on. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:29 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/864867990331953152 It is now confirmed that these were the president's bodyguards. I'm not really sure how the US responds to this, but we can't ignore it. It's a shitty situation for the protesters due to all the hurdles around diplomatic immunity, I can understand that. The White House though should really should be standing up for these Americans who don't have legal recourse and were beaten in the US capital for exercising their first amendment rights.This is really disgraceful. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:11 Plansix wrote: The problem with corporate fascism is that is sounds slightly hysterical and over urgent. Fascism is something you go to war with, that is an direct and immediate threat to people. That is not the current media to most people. Of course, you are free to refer to it any way you want. But if the intent is an effort to communicate ideas, that may not be the most effective word to communicate with. Well, if it wasn't obvious, I'm basically ready to get the torches and pitchforks out, and I know I'm not alone in this. As I said before, the media just plays one part in the problem of "corporate fascism". Just as the media played just one part in nazi fascism (and it wasn't in the killing of people, now was it?). Speaking of killing people... (I see the rise in suicides as being the result of what I'd call "corporate fascism" - although its likely not exclusive to that) WASHINGTON — Suicide in the United States has surged to the highest levels in nearly 30 years, a federal data analysis has found, with increases in every age group except older adults. The rise was particularly steep for women. It was also substantial among middle-aged Americans, sending a signal of deep anguish from a group whose suicide rates had been stable or falling since the 1950s. The suicide rate for middle-aged women, ages 45 to 64, jumped by 63 percent over the period of the study, while it rose by 43 percent for men in that age range, the sharpest increase for males of any age. The overall suicide rate rose by 24 percent from 1999 to 2014, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, which released the study on Friday. The increases were so widespread that they lifted the nation’s suicide rate to 13 per 100,000 people, the highest since 1986. The rate rose by 2 percent a year starting in 2006, double the annual rise in the earlier period of the study. In all, 42,773 people died from suicide in 2014, compared with 29,199 in 1999. “It’s really stunning to see such a large increase in suicide rates affecting virtually every age group,” said Katherine Hempstead, senior adviser for health care at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, who has identified a link between suicides in middle age and rising rates of distress about jobs and personal finances. Researchers also found an alarming increase among girls 10 to 14, whose suicide rate, while still very low, had tripled. The number of girls who killed themselves rose to 150 in 2014 from 50 in 1999. “This one certainly jumped out,” said Sally Curtin, a statistician at the center and an author of the report. Source On May 18 2017 02:12 Acrofales wrote: Please define "corporate fascism" (or feel free to link the definition you like) as separate from corporatism. The very fact that wikipedia refers you seems to imply that "corporate fascism" is simply not a very good descriptor. Especially as "corporate fascism" simply means something entirely different from actual fascism. Corporatism was an integral part of fascism. But just as being a totalitarian doesn't make Stalin a fascist, being corporatists doesn't make neo-liberals fascists. I really don't know. Corporate interests overshadowing that of ordinary citizens in socioeconomic-politics to the point where people are killing themselves at significantly higher rates? I think this problem exists in society in a large variety of factors which makes it hard to pin down in a concise definition. I see this as being responsible for things like wealth inequality (economic deaths of despair), creating unreasonable expectations (young girls killing themselves) and manipulation through marketing that leads into consumerism. There's really a lot of things to cover in this, many of which I fear would need more precise explaining if you want to get into the nitty-gritty of it all, which I really can't be arsed to do when in my mind two simple words suffice. I think the main difference here is simply opinion. If you don't see it as a big problem, then you're not going to agree when I use the terms as I do. If you're like me, and ready to get out the pitchforks, then you might agree to use the same terms. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:31 biology]major wrote: ismism - the belief that everything can be codified into an ism, and if it can't then you just make up your own definition and declare immediate supremacy of your own ismism. so calvinball? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:29 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/864867990331953152 It is now confirmed that these were the president's bodyguards. I'm not really sure how the US responds to this, but we can't ignore it. The video is pretty darn damning + Show Spoiler [chaotic melee] + It'll get some notice just based on the viral video and news that police will press charges. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:31 biology]major wrote: ismism - the belief that everything can be codified into an ism, and if it can't then you just make up your own definition and declare immediate supremacy of your own ismism. ismismism - the belief that everything can be codified into an ismism, and if it can't then you just make up your own definition and declare immediate supremacy of your own ismismism. Am I doing it right? | ||
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Plansix
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On May 18 2017 02:46 Danglars wrote: The video is pretty darn damning + Show Spoiler [chaotic melee] + It'll get some notice just based on the viral video and news that police will press charges. Hopefully they can. Diplomatic immune can be revoked(Lethal Weapon 2 Meme goes here) and should be in this case. I just don’t know if the authorities can detain the suspects without causing an escalating issue with Turkey. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Terrible idea. | ||
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brian
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ticklishmusic
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LegalLord
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On May 18 2017 02:53 brian wrote: ignorant question here- does anyone besides The Don have any issue with raising tensions with Turkey? They're part of NATO, they control the floodgates of migrants into Europe, and in general they're an important, if troubled, strategic partner. I'd say do it only if there's a damn good reason to throw all those issues to the wind and up the ante. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 18 2017 03:07 ticklishmusic wrote: stephen miller is writing the speech, this could be interesting If I had to pick the least qualified person to write that speech, it would be him. My god, we could be at war with anyone of these nations by the end of that speech. | ||
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