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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 19:32:21
May 17 2017 19:30 GMT
#151241
My prediction: Comey will testify confirming report, memo will be obtained and will also confirm report. This will lead to Trump using a defense of : "idk?" or "jk", to which the repulicans will say "damn, good enough for me" and we will go about our business.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43296 Posts
May 17 2017 19:33 GMT
#151242
On May 18 2017 04:30 biology]major wrote:
My prediction: Comey will testify confirming report, memo will be obtained and will also confirm report. This will lead to Trump using a defense of : "idk?" or "jk", to which the repulicans will say "damn, good enough for me" and we will go about our business.

I just want to say that I'm enjoying your new apathy bio.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 19:44:09
May 17 2017 19:42 GMT
#151243
On May 18 2017 04:33 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 04:30 biology]major wrote:
My prediction: Comey will testify confirming report, memo will be obtained and will also confirm report. This will lead to Trump using a defense of : "idk?" or "jk", to which the repulicans will say "damn, good enough for me" and we will go about our business.

I just want to say that I'm enjoying your new apathy bio.


Just watch, it's going to happen. The problem is twofold - republicans have no spine, and Trump lives in an untouchable mental bubble. The media will try it's hardest to paint him as a murderer, but he will stroll along with 30% approval as if he's the greatest president the world has ever seen.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 19:45:37
May 17 2017 19:44 GMT
#151244
On May 18 2017 04:33 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 04:30 biology]major wrote:
My prediction: Comey will testify confirming report, memo will be obtained and will also confirm report. This will lead to Trump using a defense of : "idk?" or "jk", to which the repulicans will say "damn, good enough for me" and we will go about our business.

I just want to say that I'm enjoying your new apathy bio.


He's just about spot on lol. Republicans don't want to touch impeachment no matter what I suspect. Trump's base wouldn't even believe a smoking gun - they'd call it a hoax.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2017 19:44 GMT
#151245
We know very little, but if the memos are bad and it is clear that Trump is lying, the Republicans would likely lose the House. I can’t even being to speculate how the public would respond. Trump is already wildly unpopular. If Republicans gave the public the impression that he was above the law just so they can slam through their agenda, it would be very bad.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 17 2017 19:53 GMT
#151246
The sheer fact that the GOP has become so absolutely partisan is the biggest issue here - not even Trump to be honest.

I mean if they hold onto him to keep his base, are there enough non-trump base voters who will support the GOP? If the answer is yes - you won't see any impeachment.

There probably aren't enough republicans in the US willing to vote for a democrat no matter how much they dislike trump just because of their partisan principles.

Its really a huge issue and it will take a LOT to turn died in the wool republicans into democrat voters even for one election cycle. And these aren't even trump cultists I'm talking about, just your GOP party lovers and Dem haters. I don't think anything will actually turn Trumps real base against him at this point.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 17 2017 19:55 GMT
#151247
Plansix is right here, I'm already witnessing a lot of old time republicans switch democrat because they don't want this garbage any more.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43296 Posts
May 17 2017 19:56 GMT
#151248
On May 18 2017 04:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Plansix is right here, I'm already witnessing a lot of old time republicans switch democrat because they don't want this garbage any more.

Except if the Dems go hard left, rather than stick with their neo-liberal centrism, they'll leave those Republicans without a party.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2017 19:57 GMT
#151249
I don’t like the GOP in any way, but I am willing to give them time to investigate. Obstruction of justice is serious business and what follows has only really been done once. It isn’t something they should run head long into, or make snap judgments. Its fine to by cynical about them, but don’t expect things that would be actively harmful to the process that needs to happen.
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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
May 17 2017 20:02 GMT
#151250
Don't know if anybody posted this, but jesus this guy can't prep for an interview worth shit:

http://www.economist.com/trumptranscript
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 20:05:32
May 17 2017 20:04 GMT
#151251
On May 18 2017 04:53 ZeromuS wrote:
There probably aren't enough republicans in the US willing to vote for a democrat no matter how much they dislike trump just because of their partisan principles.

There are a couple of them in the thread! Dislike trump, dislike GOP, won't vote democrat. I guess it's not too unfamiliar a position for Bernie supporters who disliked Hillary, dislike the DNC, but won't vote republican. Seems like there is a growing amount of people who are feeling disenfranchised.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43296 Posts
May 17 2017 20:05 GMT
#151252
On May 18 2017 05:02 chocorush wrote:
Don't know if anybody posted this, but jesus this guy can't prep for an interview worth shit:

http://www.economist.com/trumptranscript

He was so prepared that he went back to the 1930s and invented Keynesianism.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 20:07:58
May 17 2017 20:07 GMT
#151253
Anxiety and dismay spread throughout the ranks of Capitol Hill Republicans on Wednesday as lawmakers reckoned with the fallout from the James Comey scandal and the damage it could cause to President Donald Trump and their own agenda.

Republicans quickly split into factions — from defending Trump and blaming the media on one end, to calling for a special prosecutor and even raising the specter of impeachment on the other — as they responded to news that Trump allegedly pressured the former FBI director to drop the agency's investigation of Trump's ex-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. Many others demanded that Comey testify and turn over private memos documenting his conversations with Trump.

Privately, Republicans are plainly distressed and even panicked over what a prolonged scandal could mean for their agenda and grip on power. Some wonder if Trump will still be president next year, while others are frustrated that the White House hasn't done more damage control. Chatter has begun about what a President Mike Pence might look like.

And many lawmakers don't want to defend Trump publicly because they don't know what damaging revelation will come next.

“Things are tough now, we all know that,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said of the mood on Capitol Hill. “What do you think this is, a joy ride?”

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and party leaders appear mostly to be playing for time, and trying to provide political cover for their rank-and-file. Ryan said he would reserve judgment until the facts are out, but that Congress should seek out those facts. He's backing House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz’s effort to have Comey appear before his panel, one of at least three committees seeking to hear directly from the ex-FBI director. Chaffetz called a May 24 hearing with Comey, although the Oversight chairman hasn’t yet connected with him.

More than a half-dozen Republicans — including Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) — are joining Democrats in calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor or independent commission to investigate the Trump-Comey interactions, as well as the alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russian officials. Another bloc is open to such a move if more damaging information emerges. Murkowski said Wednesday that “it may be that we need to look” to the independent avenues to investigate the matter.

Trump backers — a small but vocal group — deny the president did anything wrong. They blame the media, the “deep state” and Democrats for the president’s problems.

And least three House Republicans — Reps. Justin Amash (Mich.), Carlos Curbelo (Fla.), and Walter Jones (N.C.) — have warned that the allegations against Trump, if true, could constitute obstruction of justice and an impeachable offense. Sen. John McCain compared Trump’s situation to Watergate.

"I think it could be" impeachable, Jones told POLITICO. "We have to see where the evidence goes. If the evidence proves — and there has to be a proof — that there is reason for a discussion on impeachment, then it needs to happen... If we don't protect the truth and defend the truth, then there's no hope.... This has probably been the four months that I have felt like my nation is upside down."

Multiple Republicans said there's been a palpable mood change inside the GOP, as lawmakers worry that a Trump implosion could wreck their own careers.


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-17 20:08:54
May 17 2017 20:08 GMT
#151254
On May 18 2017 04:53 ZeromuS wrote:
The sheer fact that the GOP has become so absolutely partisan is the biggest issue here - not even Trump to be honest.

I mean if they hold onto him to keep his base, are there enough non-trump base voters who will support the GOP? If the answer is yes - you won't see any impeachment.

There probably aren't enough republicans in the US willing to vote for a democrat no matter how much they dislike trump just because of their partisan principles.

Its really a huge issue and it will take a LOT to turn died in the wool republicans into democrat voters even for one election cycle. And these aren't even trump cultists I'm talking about, just your GOP party lovers and Dem haters. I don't think anything will actually turn Trumps real base against him at this point.


I think the hope for Democrats is that they get massive turnout in the 2018 midterms because of outrage against Trump.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2017 20:10 GMT
#151255
If the Republicans in the Senate could manage to throw off the shackles of Lord Turtle and work with the democrats, we will be in a much better place.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 17 2017 20:14 GMT
#151256
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 17 2017 20:16 GMT
#151257
On May 18 2017 05:14 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/alneuhauser/status/864923728374894594


Breaking news would be if he became the next fbi director, that doesn't even seem remotely news worthy.
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2017 20:19 GMT
#151258
On May 18 2017 05:16 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 05:14 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/alneuhauser/status/864923728374894594


Breaking news would be if he became the next fbi director, that doesn't even seem remotely news worthy.

That man is a nightmare. I am trying to remember if he implied that Clinton should be assassinated or if he promoted armed revolution Trump didn’t win. They all blur together. I do know he is super xenophobic and isn’t shy about it.

So yeah, it is slightly news worthy.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43296 Posts
May 17 2017 20:21 GMT
#151259
On May 18 2017 05:19 Plansix wrote:
he implied that Clinton should be assassinated

That was actually Trump.

But yeah, Clarke is a nightmare.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 17 2017 20:23 GMT
#151260
On May 18 2017 05:21 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 05:19 Plansix wrote:
he implied that Clinton should be assassinated

That was actually Trump.

But yeah, Clarke is a nightmare.

One of his surrogates too. I think it might have been head of veterans for Trump who said she should be killed/executed. So many nightmares around Trump, it’s hard to keep track.
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