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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:07 ChristianS wrote: Do you think the media is fascist? By what definition do you find that a reasonable description? Their never-ending support for corporate interests and American foreign policy. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:20 a_flayer wrote: Their never-ending support for corporate interests and American foreign policy. That isn't fascism. That is news coverage that has some conflicts of interest or is form a specifically America centric perspective. But that is not fascism. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
A media outlet directly controlled by a fascist state would also be fascist by all but the most strict definition. Obviously, it's almost impossible for media to be fascist in the sense of, for example, using force to obtain their ends, but an outlet can advocate force easily enough in support of a fascist regime. That said, the idea that the mainstream media in the US is fascist is laughable. Even brietbart isn't really advocating fascism at this point. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:22 Plansix wrote: That isn't fascism. That is news coverage that has some conflicts of interest or is form a specifically America centric perspective. But that is not fascism. It's part of the thing that makes corporate fascism possible, though. If you can refer to 'nazi media' as 'fascist media', then you can do the same for the media conglomerates that serve corporate interests, can you not? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:29 Sermokala wrote: "Corporate fascism" just sounds like run of the mill imperialism. They've been doing that well in the past since trade republics were a thing. Or just run of the mill greed and classism. There are better words to describe these issues than the one linked directly to death camps and a world war. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:37 LegalLord wrote: In a time when old-style "kill all the people who are not of our kind" fascism is still very much alive, I feel that the term fascist is overused to the point of absurdity. I think we should all commit to using the term only in the cases where it's hardly debatable whether or not an organization is actually fascist. Well, that's why you preface it with something else. How would you refer to the situation of a few media conglomerates serving corporate interests through (amongst other things) advertisement money, and politicians being bought out (amongst other things) by the same corporate interests through campaign financing? The two fairly simple words combined seem like an accurate description to me. Imperialism definitely isn't it. Simply saying greed does not really accurately describe the situation either. That's just an emotion or something. Classism is also very vague. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:45 a_flayer wrote: Well, that's why you preface it with something else. How would you refer to the situation of a few media conglomerates serving corporate interests through (amongst other things) advertisement money, and politicians being bought out (amongst other things) by the same corporate interests through campaign financing? The two fairly simple words combined seem like an accurate description to me. Imperialism definitely isn't it. Simply saying greed does not really accurately describe the situation either. That's just an emotion or something. Classism is also very vague. Imperialism is definitely it. Strong corporations give you soft economic power abroad and can be leveraged to be more benificial to your country then all the third world raw resource and cheap labor factories can do. Our elected aristocracy may be bought out by the money class but that's just a step from them being the money class. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:47 LegalLord wrote: I'd just call it corporatism. That doesn't really convey enough hate and oppression though. Anyway, I think that in response to ChristianS' "By what definition do you find [fascist] a reasonable description [for the media]", saying "corporate fascism" is a good and accurate response. You can refer to the problem as corporatism if you like (that's what wikipedia does)+ Show Spoiler + Corporatism (Redirected from Corporate fascism) If you want to call the problem different names, that's of course a possibility. I don't really object to that (although I have my preferences XD). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18488 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:01 a_flayer wrote: That doesn't really convey enough hate and oppression though. Anyway, I think that in response to ChristianS' "By what definition do you find [fascist] a reasonable description [for the media]", saying "corporate fascism" is a good and accurate response. You can refer to the problem as corporatism if you like (that's what wikipedia does)+ Show Spoiler + Corporatism (Redirected from Corporate fascism) If you want to call the problem different names, that's of course a possibility. I don't really object to that. Please define "corporate fascism" (or feel free to link the definition you like) as separate from corporatism. The very fact that wikipedia refers you seems to imply that "corporate fascism" is simply not a very good descriptor. Especially as "corporate fascism" simply means something entirely different from actual fascism. Corporatism was an integral part of fascism. But just as being a totalitarian doesn't make Stalin a fascist, being corporatists doesn't make neo-liberals fascists. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 18 2017 01:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/VaughnHillyard/status/864877647008067584 Wasn't it McCain who originally delivered documents to the FBI? I get the feeling McCain has always known more about this than the general public. | ||
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HolydaKing
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
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