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biology]major
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2017 06:41 biology]major wrote: Trump could have so much more power right now if he played his hand right, with the infrastructure bill, repeal healthcare, tax plan, not saying dumb things.. the list goes on. Lucky for him the democrats are in complete disarray. Do you guys see the dems retaking the house and/or senate? We are a long way from 2018 elections, but there is a good chance they could eat away the thin margins in both. The House is more likely. But never put it past the DNC to be deeply stupid. These are the people who are still blaming Fox News for losing to Bush twice. | ||
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LegalLord
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
As Trump appointees take their new positions in the federal bureaucracy, a legal battle is escalating over alleged intimidation of the civil servants who make the government function. The nonprofit United to Protect Democracy is suing the Departments of Energy and of Health and Human Services for records that would document or disprove such allegations. One of the group's lawyers, Ben Berwick, wrote in an online post that the goal is "protecting the civil service from purges, intimidation or politicization." The DOE suit seeks documents concerning an attempt by the Trump transition team to get the names of civil servants and contractors who worked on climate change programs. The HHS case seeks similar documents that would have targeted employees who worked or expressed views on the Affordable Care Act or abortion rights. United to Protect Democracy, which includes some lawyers from the Obama White House, earlier filed Freedom of Information Act requests for the documents. The law allows a FOIA requester to sue if an agency fails to act promptly; the group alleges that has happened. The nonprofit wrote in the complaints that its mission "is to protect our democracy from descending into a more autocratic form of government." DOE's press office declined to comment on pending litigation. The HHS press office has not responded to requests for comment. Source | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On May 02 2017 06:41 biology]major wrote: Trump could have so much more power right now if he played his hand right, with the infrastructure bill, repeal healthcare, tax plan, not saying dumb things.. the list goes on. Lucky for him the democrats are in complete disarray. Do you guys see the dems retaking the house and/or senate? The Dems are in disarray with respect to their messaging for sure, but they seem to be doing a pretty good job resisting Trump's agenda (no doubt helped on by his incompetence). The budget deal seems like a good example of this. Based on what I've read I think it's a pretty big win for Dems. I thought they would have to at least toss a few billion at the wall. | ||
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Nevuk
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2017 07:10 Mercy13 wrote: The Dems are in disarray with respect to their messaging for sure, but they seem to be doing a pretty good job resisting Trump's agenda (no doubt helped on by his incompetence). The budget deal seems like a good example of this. Based on what I've read I think it's a pretty big win for Dems. I thought they would have to at least toss a few billion at the wall. The Democrats plan of just watching the dumpster fire burn and extracting concessions to keep the goverment functioning seems to be working in their favor. And just ignoring the undead thing that is the GOPs healthcare bill. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 02 2017 06:41 biology]major wrote: Trump could have so much more power right now if he played his hand right, with the infrastructure bill, repeal healthcare, tax plan, not saying dumb things.. the list goes on. Lucky for him the democrats are in complete disarray. Do you guys see the dems retaking the house and/or senate? 2020 They could do the senate. 2018 is sketchy given how many red states Dems defend. As for the House, it's anyone's guess in 2020. Trump's up for re-election. With no Obamacare repeal, wall, or tax plan, voters are going to wonder why they should vote Republican. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 02 2017 06:10 Mohdoo wrote: If our primary still has super delegates in 2020, I think we're getting another 4 years of Trump. Not that I think super delegates are hugely important on their own. But I do think super delegates are a great representation of all the ridiculous bullshit present in the party. Eliminating super delegates would be a signal that the party is modernizing and adapting to a different society. Out of curiosity, do we have any democrats who still support super delegates? By all indication, super delegates prevented us from having a populist in the year of populism. That's a bummer. citation needed. all the actual indications and serious statistical analyses i've seen say super delegates did not do that. the rest is some guys speculating that maybe this had some huge effect, but without any real substantiation to it, just a hypothesis thrown out there for people who choose to believe in it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 02 2017 07:29 Danglars wrote: 2020 They could do the senate. 2018 is sketchy given how many red states Dems defend. As for the House, it's anyone's guess in 2020. Trump's up for re-election. With no Obamacare repeal, wall, or tax plan, voters are going to wonder why they should vote Republican. Yeah, the republicans who voted trump are gonna stick with him regardless of what happens(unless nuclear catastrophe). The dems who voted for obama who flipped to trump however, their patience w/ him is going to be purely based on results. So I think trump is on path to be a 1 term president unless hrc or her equivalent in charisma and suspect comes to bat for the dems. | ||
KwarK
United States44442 Posts
On May 02 2017 06:34 Plansix wrote: As along as he runs for state office first. A straight run for President would be some sort of nightmare. I am also not sure how Facebook deals with him in politics. He'd just have his wife run Facebook. That's what a blind trust is, right? | ||
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Yurie
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On May 02 2017 08:08 KwarK wrote: He'd just have his wife run Facebook. That's what a blind trust is, right? No he would run a campaign with no donations and no money from the major parties to show how clean he is. Yet strangely be on all facebook ad networks and posts about him would show up in feeds a bit more than they should... | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 02 2017 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/retrocampaigns/status/859153288389771265 Fuck those people with type 1 diabetes, amirite guys? They didn't live right! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 02 2017 08:29 On_Slaught wrote: Fuck those people with type 1 diabetes, amirite guys? They didn't live right! Prosperity gospel is a hell of a drug. | ||
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Nevuk
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18041 Posts
20,000 Canadians sing the US Anthem after speaker system breaks down. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 02 2017 08:33 Nevuk wrote: If they get rid of pre existing conditions coverage they're forfeiting the house in 2018. They still might think it's worth it though. This is such a farce, the media has essentially set up pre existing condition coverage as a non negotiable. There can definitely be an adequate insurance system that doesn't cover for pre existing conditions but politically it's basically suicide rn. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 02 2017 08:59 biology]major wrote: This is such a farce, the media has essentially set up pre existing condition coverage as a non negotiable. There can definitely be an adequate insurance system that doesn't cover for pre existing conditions but politically it's basically suicide rn. The ads write themselves - roll out sick children kicked off health insurance by the GOP, talk about how it could have easily been "Your child". Play tone deaf clips of Jason Chaffetz telling people to skip buying an iphone instead of health insurance, depict outraged parent of a 6 year old with brain cancer whose hospital fees amounted to 90 "iphones", say in an ominous tone "It's pretty clear that republicans think phones are more important than children". Also, there was the time an infant newborn baby got denied coverage for being overweight. That didn't play well. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 02 2017 08:59 biology]major wrote: This is such a farce, the media has essentially set up pre existing condition coverage as a non negotiable. There can definitely be an adequate insurance system that doesn't cover for pre existing conditions but politically it's basically suicide rn. I don't think it can be really laid at the media's feet. For whatever reason the one thing Trump has said over and over on healthcare was that pre-existing condition coverage will be a part of his healthcare bill. Wasn't just him either-it seems like it was part and parcel of every political conservatives "we'll keep the good parts of Obamacare like _____" for the past 4 years. People told them over and over "that's magical thinking, and your plan won't function or be coherent if you do it." But they shoved it deep deep into their platform. | ||
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