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On May 02 2017 08:59 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2017 08:33 Nevuk wrote:
If they get rid of pre existing conditions coverage they're forfeiting the house in 2018. They still might think it's worth it though. This is such a farce, the media has essentially set up pre existing condition coverage as a non negotiable. There can definitely be an adequate insurance system that doesn't cover for pre existing conditions but politically it's basically suicide rn.
Pre-existing conditions was always going to be a non-negotiable issue. Voters do not want to go back to the era were they can be denied coverage because they have diabetes or are pregnant. And considering my health care provider is actively trying to screw me over because they had a bad quarter(fuck you, Blue Cross Blue Shield), I want legal protection from my government to force them to cover me. I don't trust the Invisible Hand to assure I will have health care coverage.
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I'm hearing that Congress gave Sessions $0 to go after states and Weed. lol
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didn't they already do that some time ago? decide to allocate nothing to going after weed use in states where weed is legal (or at laest for medical purposes)?
I thought it was like that already, so doing it again would be no big deal.
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On May 02 2017 09:53 zlefin wrote:
didn't they already do that some time ago? decide to allocate nothing to going after weed use in states where weed is legal (or at laest for medical purposes)?
I thought it was like that already, so doing it again would be no big deal.
Well yes, but that was with a president who was a democrat, so they could at least nominally blame needing to avoid a veto by Obama. The message here is a pretty clear "fuck off with the weed stuff, not even GOP majorities are going to fund you" to Sessions. (He's definitely going to keep trying)
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On May 02 2017 09:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I'm hearing that Congress gave Sessions $0 to go after states and Weed. lol
Did he ask for any special funding for those purposes? I presume his department is fully funded.
On May 02 2017 08:59 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2017 08:33 Nevuk wrote:
If they get rid of pre existing conditions coverage they're forfeiting the house in 2018. They still might think it's worth it though. This is such a farce, the media has essentially set up pre existing condition coverage as a non negotiable. There can definitely be an adequate insurance system that doesn't cover for pre existing conditions but politically it's basically suicide rn.
Ryan, Trump's team, and most Congressional Republicans agree it's political suicide.
Failing to repeal Obamacare could be big enough, pre-existing conditions wouldn't even half Democrat's House deficit, despite the rhetoric.
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Happy Victims of Communism Day all.
Today is May Day. Since 2007, I have defended the idea of using this date as an international Victims of Communism Day. I outlined the rationale for this proposal (which was not my original idea) in my very first post on the subject:
May Day began as a holiday for socialists and labor union activists, not just communists. But over time, the date was taken over by the Soviet Union and other communist regimes and used as a propaganda tool to prop up their [authority]. I suggest that we instead use it as a day to commemorate those regimes’ millions of victims. The authoritative Black Book of Communism estimates the total at 80 to 100 million dead, greater than that caused by all other twentieth century tyrannies combined. We appropriately have a Holocaust Memorial Day. It is equally appropriate to commemorate the victims of the twentieth century’s other great totalitarian tyranny. And May Day is the most fitting day to do so….
Our comparative neglect of communist crimes has serious costs. Victims of Communism Day can serve the dual purpose of appropriately commemorating the millions of victims, and diminishing the likelihood that such atrocities will recur. Just as Holocaust Memorial Day and other similar events help sensitize us to the dangers of racism, anti-Semitism, and radical nationalism, so Victims of Communism Day can increase awareness of the dangers of left-wing forms of totalitarianism, and government control of the economy and civil society.
This year is a particularly important time to remember the victims of Communism because of the approaching one hundredth anniversary of the October Revolution – Bolshevik takeover of Russia. The Soviet Union was not the most oppressive communist regime. It probably did not match the even more thoroughgoing totalitarianism of the Khmer Rouge and North Korea. Nor did it kill the most people – a record held by Mao Zedong the Chinese communists. But the Soviet experiment was the principal model for all the later communist states, and it is hard to imagine communists seizing control of so much of the world without it. In addition to the significant material aid that the Soviets provided to communists in other nations, the communist seizure of power in Russia also greatly boosted the ideology’s prospects elsewhere.
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We need a victims of capitalism day too, because there are more of those.
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Undercover police in Michigan can no longer legally engage in sexual intercourse with sex workers they are investigating, according to a new state senate bill.
The bill makes it possible for these law enforcement officers to be prosecuted “if the officer engaged in sexual penetration while in the course of his or her duties.”
It is not a common tactic used by undercover police, according to local and state officials.
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This would be one of those obviously corrupt practices that are finally at least able to be prosecuted, not that it will, other than under the most egregious circumstances. On May 02 2017 10:45 Plansix wrote:
We need a victims of capitalism day too, because there are more of those.
At least a week.
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Speaking at the Milken Institute Global Conference on Monday, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross recalled the scene at Mar-a-Lago on April 6, when the summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping was interrupted by the strike on Syria.
“Just as dessert was being served, the president explained to Mr. Xi he had something he wanted to tell him, which was the launching of 59 missiles into Syria,” Ross said. “It was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment.”
As the crowd laughed, Ross added: “The thing was, it didn’t cost the president anything to have that entertainment.”
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On May 02 2017 10:25 Danglars wrote:Happy Victims of Communism Day all. Show nested quote +Today is May Day. Since 2007, I have defended the idea of using this date as an international Victims of Communism Day. I outlined the rationale for this proposal (which was not my original idea) in my very first post on the subject:
May Day began as a holiday for socialists and labor union activists, not just communists. But over time, the date was taken over by the Soviet Union and other communist regimes and used as a propaganda tool to prop up their [authority]. I suggest that we instead use it as a day to commemorate those regimes’ millions of victims. The authoritative Black Book of Communism estimates the total at 80 to 100 million dead, greater than that caused by all other twentieth century tyrannies combined. We appropriately have a Holocaust Memorial Day. It is equally appropriate to commemorate the victims of the twentieth century’s other great totalitarian tyranny. And May Day is the most fitting day to do so….
Our comparative neglect of communist crimes has serious costs. Victims of Communism Day can serve the dual purpose of appropriately commemorating the millions of victims, and diminishing the likelihood that such atrocities will recur. Just as Holocaust Memorial Day and other similar events help sensitize us to the dangers of racism, anti-Semitism, and radical nationalism, so Victims of Communism Day can increase awareness of the dangers of left-wing forms of totalitarianism, and government control of the economy and civil society.
This year is a particularly important time to remember the victims of Communism because of the approaching one hundredth anniversary of the October Revolution – Bolshevik takeover of Russia. The Soviet Union was not the most oppressive communist regime. It probably did not match the even more thoroughgoing totalitarianism of the Khmer Rouge and North Korea. Nor did it kill the most people – a record held by Mao Zedong the Chinese communists. But the Soviet experiment was the principal model for all the later communist states, and it is hard to imagine communists seizing control of so much of the world without it. In addition to the significant material aid that the Soviets provided to communists in other nations, the communist seizure of power in Russia also greatly boosted the ideology’s prospects elsewhere. WaPo
and here I thought mayday was just another day for underage kids to get drunk until they end up in hospitals all over the nation
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On May 02 2017 10:45 Plansix wrote:
We need a victims of capitalism day too, because there are more of those.
This is the place I visit to hear that capitalism has the bigger body count. And from people I can legitimately believe are not trolling just for a reaction. Keep it going, bros.
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On May 02 2017 12:03 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2017 10:25 Danglars wrote:Happy Victims of Communism Day all. Today is May Day. Since 2007, I have defended the idea of using this date as an international Victims of Communism Day. I outlined the rationale for this proposal (which was not my original idea) in my very first post on the subject:
May Day began as a holiday for socialists and labor union activists, not just communists. But over time, the date was taken over by the Soviet Union and other communist regimes and used as a propaganda tool to prop up their [authority]. I suggest that we instead use it as a day to commemorate those regimes’ millions of victims. The authoritative Black Book of Communism estimates the total at 80 to 100 million dead, greater than that caused by all other twentieth century tyrannies combined. We appropriately have a Holocaust Memorial Day. It is equally appropriate to commemorate the victims of the twentieth century’s other great totalitarian tyranny. And May Day is the most fitting day to do so….
Our comparative neglect of communist crimes has serious costs. Victims of Communism Day can serve the dual purpose of appropriately commemorating the millions of victims, and diminishing the likelihood that such atrocities will recur. Just as Holocaust Memorial Day and other similar events help sensitize us to the dangers of racism, anti-Semitism, and radical nationalism, so Victims of Communism Day can increase awareness of the dangers of left-wing forms of totalitarianism, and government control of the economy and civil society.
This year is a particularly important time to remember the victims of Communism because of the approaching one hundredth anniversary of the October Revolution – Bolshevik takeover of Russia. The Soviet Union was not the most oppressive communist regime. It probably did not match the even more thoroughgoing totalitarianism of the Khmer Rouge and North Korea. Nor did it kill the most people – a record held by Mao Zedong the Chinese communists. But the Soviet experiment was the principal model for all the later communist states, and it is hard to imagine communists seizing control of so much of the world without it. In addition to the significant material aid that the Soviets provided to communists in other nations, the communist seizure of power in Russia also greatly boosted the ideology’s prospects elsewhere. WaPo and here I thought mayday was just another day for underage kids to get drunk until they end up in hospitals all over the nation
Except in Russia, pretty much yeah it's just random youth protests from what I've seen.
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On May 02 2017 12:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2017 10:45 Plansix wrote:
We need a victims of capitalism day too, because there are more of those. This is the place I visit to hear that capitalism has the bigger body count. And from people I can legitimately believe are not trolling just for a reaction. Keep it going, bros.
Cross fit making a run for the crown. The crown of "abstract concepts created by humans that people blame deaths like abstract concepts have agency."
Also you should get out more. This place isn't that leftist.
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On May 02 2017 12:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2017 12:08 Danglars wrote:On May 02 2017 10:45 Plansix wrote:
We need a victims of capitalism day too, because there are more of those. This is the place I visit to hear that capitalism has the bigger body count. And from people I can legitimately believe are not trolling just for a reaction. Keep it going, bros. Cross fit making a run for the crown. The crown of "abstract concepts created by humans that people blame deaths like abstract concepts have agency." Also you should get out more. This place isn't that leftist.
I never said it was more leftist, I said it's the place I'd hear that capitalism is actually the more dastardly villain to communism for killing people. Don't project.
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Capitalism is fine, but like any excess, it has to be tamped down. Communism is awful, but there are social programs that can work, that is not communism, but is called socialism in the states. (Helping out the lowest income would be following the teachings of Jesus, yes?) Given a lot of these old farts just want to grab as much money as they can, and they can't even use it all (hoarding), its small wonder when they want to deregulate everything, and then when everything collapses they just make a run for it.
And then the peasants get riled up and start killing each other while the rich are lounging somewhere else. Again, capitalism is nice, but not when people just go all in and hoard more money than they can count. While it is a survival mechanism to hoard resources for times of scarcity, tough shit making it work when it makes everyone else in the species miserable.
And again, I'm saying that capitalism is most likely the model we should follow for now, but there comes a time where we have to address the terrible income inequality.
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Congressional members didn’t just snub Donald Trump on his border wall: They also used the $1 trillion spending deal hatched over the weekend to rein in the president’s powers.
Lawmakers want the Trump administration to lay out a detailed plan to deal with the Islamic State and Syria’s Bashar Assad. So they tucked in a provision in the 1,665-page spending plan to withhold $2.5 billion in defense funds until the proposal to battle ISIS is produced.
Because Republicans and Democrats don’t want Attorney General Jeff Sessions and his Justice Department to muck around with states that allow medical marijuana, they included language in the bill barring the anti-pot attorney general from interfering with those laws.
The measure also contains three separate reminders for Trump, who did not seek congressional approval before launching missile strikes against the Syrian government last month, that he must obey the War Powers Act. That law limits his ability to send U.S. troops into combat without a congressional vote.
“It’s an assertion, I think, of Congress’ power to appropriate and to set the tone,” said Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), a member of the Appropriations Committee. “I don’t see it as a finger in the eye so much as just a reassertion of our ability to put our own imprint on what’s going on.”
Lawmakers on Capitol Hill are always eager to show the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue that they hold significant leverage, regardless of which party controls the White House. Many of the provisions at issue have been included in past measures to constrain the powers of previous administrations, including that of President Barack Obama.
But they’re taking on new significance in the Trump era and the conservative stances of its top officials.
The marijuana language, for instance, has been part of spending bills since 2014. But Sessions, a former senator, has a long record of opposition to marijuana legalization. His history on the issue triggered concern from a bipartisan group of senators that the Trump Justice Department could launch a marijuana crackdown, until the attorney general made reassurances earlier this year.
Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia have laws green-lighting medical marijuana, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Advocates of the language, including Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), applauded its inclusion Monday, which was done over objections of some powerful GOP lawmakers.
“Yeah, I don’t like that,” said Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top Republican overseeing funding for DOJ. “The attorney general ultimately is sworn to uphold the law. I don’t see any good coming from that.”
Trump officials asked Congress last fall to punt a full-year spending measure to 2017 so the new president could leave his own imprint on spending priorities, but he notched few wins in the so-called omnibus funding bill that’s set to glide through both chambers of Congress this week. After trumpeting the need for his border wall and threatening to withhold funding for payments to insurers that stabilize the Affordable Care Act, Trump relented on both, though he did win a healthy funding boost for the military.
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Overall, not the most terrible funding of the budget ever. Maybe they should allocate a little bit of the budget into adult education so that our Commander in Chief has a basic understanding of the history of the United States, and how the world works.
Maybe he in spirit wouldn't be so close to death, talking about how Frederick Douglas is doing good deeds for our nation, and that Andrew Jackson could have stopped the Civil War, because that sounds to me like he's talking to ghosts.
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I wonder if we will ever get a proper constitutional challenge for the WPRA. This might be the time that it happens.
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Capitalism is fine, but like any excess, it has to be tamped down. Communism is awful, but there are social programs that can work, that is not communism, but is called socialism in the states.
Basically a centrist-left economic ideology that is nowadays classified as Soc Dem?
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Something along those lines, yes. Of course, its in the large corporation's interests to not have that, so they lobby and convince the people that this is socialism or communism. That and they start pointing at "invaders" or "lazy people" aka stirring racism and xenophobia, so people are distracted from the fact that it is the CEOs and board of directors with 100s of millions of dollars packages in bonuses fucking people over.
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