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Plansix
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Acrofales
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On May 02 2017 01:46 Plansix wrote: There wasn't a lot of discussion around it, but I could have watched Hasan Minhaj rip into CNN, MSNBC and Fox for hours. The joke about CNN's low bar for "panel experts" was perfect. I didn't see it, but I heard part of it, and found it mostly spiteful and not very clever. Compare that to Colbert's address. That was pure class. He gave a full discourse in which he didn't actually say a single bad thing about president Bush, yet still completely destroyed the man (and if you look at the media now, it's almost sad that he already had his whole truthiness spiel that long ago). Damning with faint praise is an artform. Minhaj sounded like an amateur standup comedian. | ||
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Acrofales
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On May 02 2017 02:13 Plansix wrote: Both of Stewart and Oliver had over a decade to refine their tone and gain credibility with which to assault the media. Minhaj and Noah are not there yet and its harder for them to roast the press. But I do agree that their brand of self-deprecation does not come off as cleanly as Stewart's authentic "my god, why do people trust me" version did. I find Trevor Noah an acceptable host of the Daily Show. Not nearly as good as Stewart (but honestly, who would be), but after a very mediocre start he has kind of found his way. It's not daily brilliance, but he has some really good items. The best recent satire is Colbert making fun of Alex Jones, though, with his Tuck Buckford character. That's just brutally hilarious. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 02 2017 02:53 Acrofales wrote: I didn't see it, but I heard part of it, and found it mostly spiteful and not very clever. Compare that to Colbert's address. That was pure class. He gave a full discourse in which he didn't actually say a single bad thing about president Bush, yet still completely destroyed the man (and if you look at the media now, it's almost sad that he already had his whole truthiness spiel that long ago). Damning with faint praise is an artform. Minhaj sounded like an amateur standup comedian. I got the impression that he wanted to come off more combative, biting and spiteful. He said “as a real fake journalist” he wanted journalism to do more and rise to the challenge. The news landscape and media has changed in the 10+ years since Colbert did that bit. He has a joke about CNN running a twitter poll about if people think Trump working with Russia and the punchline is him pleading “You tell me?” | ||
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On May 02 2017 02:25 KwarK wrote: John Oliver just reads off a card. It's probably more visible to me than most due to also being a cultural transplant. He's just a funny accent for an American writing team. His delivery is brilliant though and I assume he leads the american writing team. I find his show as brilliant as the Daily Show ever was, although I don't think anything will ever match Jon Stewart going on CNN's Crossfire and essentially burning the house down. I guess there's a political satire flavour for everyone right now, and that may well be one of Jon Stewarts accomplishments. I think Seth Meyers currently does the best job at dissecting the political news, whereas Jon Oliver's show is probably the most original and better produced. | ||
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If you get your news from comedy your source is literally a joke. | ||
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On May 02 2017 03:36 LegalLord wrote: I personally don't get any of the praise for John Oliver. Sure, if you live in the bubble of perception of the world that he does he may look impressive. But he's neither entertaining nor particularly informative. It's a good thing that we see fewer John Oliver clips around these parts post-election. If you get your news from comedy your source is literally a joke. given how many of the "regular" news sources are a joke, we may as well get some laughs from our jokes. the comedy sources are generally funnier than the non-comedy ones. also sadly sometimes do better journalism. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 02 2017 03:52 zlefin wrote: given how many of the "regular" news sources are a joke, we may as well get some laughs from our jokes. the comedy sources are generally funnier than the non-comedy ones. also sadly sometimes do better journalism. At least you know when its Oliver. CNN had experts on the coup in Turkey within an hour of the thing kicking off. And all I could think was “What were those people doing an hour ago? Were they just in CNN’s lobby, chilling.” | ||
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Nevuk
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Fox News continues to implode. On May 02 2017 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote: I know folks moved on to political comedians, but if the Democrats lost this fraud suit and got hit for ~$200 million, that would be a party ending judgement no? I'm really not sure. Possibly? They were able to raise a billion for Hillary Clinton, raising 200$ million to save their party seems a lot ... easier. Most people seem to think the fraud suit will fail, though. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On May 02 2017 04:14 Plansix wrote: It would be bad. Not sure about world ending for the party. The current leadership and charter for sure. I don’t know if the case will survive that long though. I would expect it to settle around the time mid terms ramp up. Wow, really, you think they'll settle? I mean, I know they are legal arguments, but it doesn't seem the DNC has a problem with making it clear that they are not a (d)emocratic party and have never presumed themselves one despite repeated assertions otherwise. I know Hillary diehards are on board for that, but most of the country thinks that sounds ridiculous. Which is probably why you see 0 reports on it in corporate media. | ||
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On May 02 2017 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote: I know folks moved on to political comedians, but if the Democrats lost this fraud suit and got hit for ~$200 million, that would be a party ending judgement no? The chances of them losing is quite small. Even if they lose the first judgment, they'd appeal until they get a favorable judgment in a process that could take years. If they fail after all that time, they've given themselves enough time to raise the money to pay off a settlement. Maybe they'll need to do some corporate sponsorships. Something like "The Chase Bank Democratic Party. Still less in the pocket of big banks than Republicans." | ||
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Plansix
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On May 02 2017 04:21 GreenHorizons wrote: Wow, really, you think they'll settle? I mean, I know they are legal arguments, but it doesn't seem the DNC has a problem with making it clear that they are not a (d)emocratic party and have never presumed themselves one despite repeated assertions otherwise. I know Hillary diehards are on board for that, but most of the country thinks that sounds ridiculous. Which is probably why you see 0 reports on it in corporate media. The vast majority of litigation settles rather than go to trial. I don’t see why this case is going to be an exception. | ||
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