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Nevuk
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GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:46 zlefin wrote: he marginalizes himself as part of his rhetoric. it's part of what he uses for his outsider cred. and we all know how strong your bias is on the topic, so your assessments accuracy is low. and technical and legal sense do matter a fair bit. also, he's not chair of outreach for the Democrats, but for the Senate Democrats, a significant distinction. It's as if pointless distinctions have become a compulsion. he marginalizes himself as part of his rhetoric. it's part of what he uses for his outsider cred. that's just nonsense. I mean we all know that it makes far more sense to consider Karen Peterson the head of Democratic outreach, because, you know, titles and stuff. This type of nitpicking is a huge part of what's wrong with the party at large. Although you get there out of a habit of needless deconstruction rather than an intentional obfuscation. On April 04 2017 10:56 Nevuk wrote: I mean, according to DWS the democratic party is already a grassroots party, therefore it has no reason to change Yes this. Does she still technically have that position with Clinton or did that evaporate when Clinton lost? | ||
Plansix
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:56 Nevuk wrote: I mean, according to DWS the democratic party is already a grassroots party, therefore it has no reason to change I trust her. She was a brave woman to, having done nothing wrong, take one for the team and step down to draw away attention from the leaks. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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WASHINGTON - He hasn’t even been in office three months but half of the nation’s voters already think President Donald Trump has weakened the United States’ role in the world, according to a new McClatchy-Marist poll. Since he was sworn into office in January, Trump has been criticized for a series of what some call foreign policy missteps: authorizing a raid in Yemen that left a Navy seal dead, blasting a deal that calls for the U.S. to accept 1,250 refugees from Australia and insulting German Chancellor Angela Merkel by refusing to shake her hand when they met at the White House. And in January, Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto canceled a meeting with Trump after the U.S. president insisted Mexico pay for a wall along the U.S. southern border. Fifty-five percent of voters think Trump has weakened the U.S.’s role, which is an increase from 52 percent in February. Not surprisingly, that includes 83 percent of Democrats but it also includes 59 percent of independents and 17 percent of Republicans as well as 12 percent of those who call themselves Trump supporters. Thirty-six percent think he has made the U.S. stronger. Nine percent were unsure. “The first words that come to mind are bull---- or silly,” said Andrew Nelson, 34, a radio news anchor from Atlanta who considers himself an independent. “The president has been creating conflicts in a lot of places, which are distracting from other things going on in the administration.” Trump has invited several world leaders at the White House, including Prime Ministers Theresa May of Britain, Justin Trudeau of Canada, Shinzo Abe of Japan, Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Lars Lokke Rasmussen of Denmark. He will meet with Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el Sissi on Monday and Jordan King Abdullah II on Wednesday. He will host a summit later this week with Chinese President Xi Jinping at his Florida resort, Mar-a-Lago. He is expected to take his first trip abroad in May when he attends the G-7 and NATO summits in Belgium and Italy and is expected to visit Canada and Britain later this year. “Even in the past month, his numbers for the image of the United States on the world stage and in his meeting with foreign leaders have declined, including among his GOP base,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion in New York, which conducted the survey. “There is a fine line between showing strength and being confrontational in international matters and President Trump is still trying to find that line.” Fifty-three percent of voters think Trump’s meetings and talks with foreign leaders have weakened the standing of the U.S., which is an increase from 48 percent in February. That includes 86 percent of Democrats, 55 percent of independents and 12 percent of Republicans as well as 9 percent of those who call themselves Trump supporters. Thirty-nine percent said they have strengthened the U.S. Eight percent are unsure. Source | ||
Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Perez has asked for resignation letters from the entire DNC staff, giving him the option of launching a large-scale shakeup. I get that it's probably largely symbolic, but it's a good sign, I think. The rest of the story about her comments : “Respectfully to Sen. [Bernie] Sanders, we are already a grassroots party,” Schultz told MSNBC’s “For the Record with Greta.” Sanders (I-Vt.) called for newly elected Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Tom Perez to focus on the grassroots and for Democrats to fight for working people. Wasserman Schultz, who previously served as DNC chairwoman, said Democrats would not have been able to defeat the GOP’s healthcare measure had it not been a grassroots party. “If we were not, we would not have been able to help bring down the absolutely abhorrent healthcare repeal bill that would have knocked 24 million people over 10 years off of their healthcare.” Wasserman Schultz, however, refused to say Sanders was wrong when asked by host Greta Van Susteren. “No, it’s actually more like semantics,” she said. “We all agree that we should be, and we are, a grassroots party that focuses on making sure that we can help people reach the middle class.” http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/326442-debbie-wasserman-schultz-dems-are-already-a-grassroots-party | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:52 LegalLord wrote: Sanders doesn't schmooze with the right donors and attend fundraising dinners for the Democrats. Of course he isn't a party member. way to be extremely disingenuous and unhelpful to the discussion. this kind of unsound sarcasm really doens't advance the discussion at all. gh -> not really interested in discussing further with you, given the typical state of your bias on such issues. while it's helpful for understanding the mindset of such people, it's not so good for truth analysis. and what I said wasn't nonsense, it has a clear, reasonable, and sound point to it. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On April 04 2017 10:51 Plansix wrote: Schumer and Pelosi have both been out there doing work. Just not on camera, because they don't control who points the camera at time. All Bernie has to do to get headlines is say "Clinton" out loud and it will rise to the top. What the fuck is Pelosi going to do in Southern states? Or Schumer in coal country? That is like sending Mitch McConnell to Massachusetts to try and convince us that Republicans are not that bad. You just answered you own question Sanders goes down to Mississippi to picket with workers demanding a Union, goes to coal country to pitch job training and even Universal healthcare and workers rights. And then gets rounding applause in Va no less. It is not that hard just don't blow Corporate donors and represent the average citizen. | ||
Plansix
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On April 04 2017 11:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: You just answered you own question Sanders goes down to Mississippi to picket with workers demanding a Union, goes to coal country to pitch job training and even Universal healthcare and workers rights. And then gets rounding applause in Va no less. It is not that hard just don't blow Corporate donors and represent the average citizen. Yes, that is why they are not house hold names. It has nothing to do with neither of them running for president. Or that they both occupy leadership positions in the house and senate. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
On April 04 2017 11:39 Plansix wrote: Yes, that is why they are not house hold names. It has nothing to do with neither of them running for president. Funny, Republicans seems to use Pelosi in practically every single race across the country. Wonder why they do that? Oh that's right, she's extremely well known and remarkably unpopular and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether she has run for president or not. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Donald Trump supporters are not racist “deplorables” and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are to blame for November’s shock election defeat: So said Clinton’s defeated primary challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders during a rally in Boston Friday night. In a comment seized upon by the Trump campaign, Clinton famously said in September that half of Trump’s supporters were “deplorables,” a comment which she almost immediately said she regretted. Appearing alongside Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sanders said Friday that to simply write off Trump supporters was to fail to understand the issues affecting them—and the Democratic Party. “Some people think the people who voted for Trump are racists, sexist and homophobes, just deplorable folks,” he said. “I don’t agree, because I’ve been there. Let us understand what’s going on.” Even before losing the primary to Clinton last year, Sanders, an independent, has been a frequent critic of the Democratic Party establishment, claiming that it had become too accommodating of Wall Street and has lost touch with the U.S. working class. It was a theme he returned to during Friday’s sold-out event organized by his “Our Revolution” group. Source | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2017 11:48 GreenHorizons wrote: Funny, Republicans seems to use Pelosi in practically every single race across the country. Wonder why they do that? Oh that's right, she's extremely well known and remarkably unpopular and it has absolutely nothing to with whether she has run for president or not. The same reason every democrat bashed Paul Ryan. I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi, but i don't get to pick who lead the House Democrats. They voted and she won. If you think she is a huge problem, you should push your boy Sanders to have her removed. Or Schumer. I would love to see how well that goes for him. Except Sanders wouldn't do it because it is a waste of time to attack Democrats for not photo-oping as much as him. Sanders know why he is the guy doing outreach while they are back in DC. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
On April 04 2017 11:55 Plansix wrote: The same reason every democrat bashed Paul Ryan. I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi, but i don't get to pick who lead the House Democrats. They voted and she won. If you think she is a huge problem, you should push your boy Sanders to have her removed. Or Schumer. I would love to see how well that goes for him. Except Sanders wouldn't do it because it is a waste of time to attack Democrats for not photo-oping as much as him. Sanders know why he is the guy doing outreach while they are back in DC. Um, you said Yes, that is why they are not house hold names. It has nothing to do with neither of them running for president. then I said Funny, Republicans seems to use Pelosi in practically every single race across the country. Wonder why they do that? Oh that's right, she's extremely well known and remarkably unpopular and it has absolutely nothing to with whether she has run for president or not. then you say: The same reason every democrat bashed Paul Ryan. I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi, but i don't get to pick who lead the House Democrats. They voted and she won. wut? There was a push to replace her with Tim Ryan (far from perfect but at least he had a message), that gut nipped. No one is asking for pointless photo ops, how about pulling the donors out of their mouths long enough to speak up for HR676 and single payer, along with the new tuition free college legislation. | ||
Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Over the last two decades, there has never been a bigger divide between white Republicans and Democrats when it comes to views of the intelligence and work ethic of African Americans, according to the new General Social Survey. The GSS is a wide-ranging study of cultural and political attitudes done annually by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. ... The biggest yawning gap between Democrats and Republicans is on the issue of motivation and will power. The GSS asks whether African Americans are worse off economically “because most just don't have the motivation or will power to pull themselves up out of poverty?” A majority — 55 percent — of white Republicans agreed with this statement, compared to 26 percent of white Democrats. That's the biggest gap since the question was first asked in 1977 — though the gap was similar (60-32) in 2010. WaPo | ||
Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On April 04 2017 11:55 Plansix wrote: The same reason every democrat bashed Paul Ryan. I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi, but i don't get to pick who lead the House Democrats. They voted and she won. If you think she is a huge problem, you should push your boy Sanders to have her removed. Or Schumer. I would love to see how well that goes for him. Except Sanders wouldn't do it because it is a waste of time to attack Democrats for not photo-oping as much as him. Sanders know why he is the guy doing outreach while they are back in DC. Oh wow, a Hillary lapdog throwing shade about photo ops. At least Bernie can do useful things like not handing the presidency to a thin-skinned narcissist. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I don't know if anyone told you this, being in a leadership role in the House and Senate is a full time job. Even Sanders has to go back to the Senate at some point too. And there are no plans to back right now, since they can't introduce bills. | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
On April 04 2017 12:14 Plansix wrote: The push to replace didn't get nipped. He didn't get the votes. That is how the House picks leadership. I don't know if anyone told you this, being in a leadership role in the House and Senate is a full time job. Even Sanders has to go back to the Senate at some point too. And there are no plans to back right now, since they can't introduce bills. You know, I hear Hillary and Obama were really supportive of replacing Pelosi... Like do you not see yourself right now? I don't know if anyone has told you this, but HR676 has been in the house for a long ass time. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 04 2017 12:17 GreenHorizons wrote: You know, I hear Hillary and Obama were really supportive of replacing Pelosi... Like do you not see yourself right now? I don't know if anyone has told you this, but HR676 has been in the house for a long ass time. You said long ass time so I needed to double check that is wasn't introduced in 2015 like I remembered. Remind me again, who controlled the house in 2015? | ||
GreenHorizons
United States23230 Posts
On April 04 2017 12:20 Plansix wrote: You said long ass time so I needed to double check that is wasn't introduced in 2015 like I remembered. Remind me again, who controlled the house in 2015? Bruh... That is why I have introduced my bill, The Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act, in every Congress since 2003. It is co-sponsored by more than 50 Members of Congress and support continues to grow. https://conyers.house.gov/issues/health-care | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 04 2017 12:10 Jormundr wrote: Oh wow, a Hillary lapdog throwing shade about photo ops. At least Bernie can do useful things like not handing the presidency to a thin-skinned narcissist. assumptions, more foundation needed. why must people feel so foolishly confident that things would be better if only X? especially when the factual basis for it is so limited? | ||
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