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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 22 2017 06:20 Gahlo wrote: If I can't vote for Bernie or Warren, I'd be willing to vote for Biden. If we are dumb enough to nominate Warren for a nationwide race, we deserve to lose. I’ve voted for her in every election, but she will not make it nationally. Lets just keep her in the senate and find anyone else. There is plenty of time between here and 2020. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On March 22 2017 06:18 LegalLord wrote: Surely by now you should know the answer to that... We need someone with a long history of being around and doing a mediocre job, of course, The last time it was mentioned Bernie was popular in the polls, someone with incredible wisdom pointed out he's just popular because he's not being reported on and isn't active on the political stage. For a presidential campaign, however, I'm not sure if Sanders is the right person. You'd need someone with exactly the same message though. That's really all that matters. And how do you get someone with that message? Take away their billionaire/corporate funding. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
rather than answer seriously I just go with saying Ige 2020. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I wish there was a workup covering each of them. ooh, non-serious answers? I'll add one: me for president! | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On March 22 2017 06:22 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: well obviously I'm not saying Biden 2020. I'm just saying he's popular and I don't think anyone really has anything bad to say about him. Won't Bernie be 77 in 2020 anyway? He's popular right now but it is true that he benefits from being out of the spotlight. I would vote for him and not with the disgust that characterized voting for Hillary but let's not go so far as to say he's got nothing bad to his name. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On March 22 2017 06:25 zlefin wrote: What I want ot know is, with the 40 or so other democrat senators, and the 16-ish democrat governors, and some of the more notable Representatives; what makes each of them a bad choice for president? surely some of them must be decent enough. I can get that some might have issues, be ineligible, or just be a bit thin on experience (not that that seems ot matter), but surely some of them must be suitable enough. I wish there was a workup covering each of them. you're starting to see that. Washington govs getting some notice. Colarado gov getting a ton of talk. I've seen Bullock floated as an idea. Brown's too old. Don't know enough about Edward's of Louisiana to comment but I think he's not super popular and he was more a reaction to Jindal. I love Ige but don't see america getting behind an Asian dude from Hawaii. Cumo's too corporate to be loved. Oregon gov is too progressive. Can't think of any others which isn't a good sign for their chances. McAuliffe isn't super popular and has connections with Clinton so that prob wouldn't go well. The NC gov has enough problems right now and was literally just inaugurated. I'm not saying Biden's perfect just that if he was going to be a de facto leader/person they send to do interviews and the like nobodies going to look at him and think of how much thy hate him. Obviously he's not the future of the party or anything but as a temporary guy to rally behind he seems good. If he was running for president of course stuff would come out but there's nothing too glaring I think for just going on shows and stuff. If you want go crazy there's always Cuban 2020. He hasn't ruled it out. (or of course other celebrities Oprah, Clooney, or my pick Michael Jordan). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 22 2017 06:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: I like Warren but know nothing about her to comment on how she'd do nationally or how good of a campaigner she is. rather than answer seriously I just go with saying Ige 2020. Do not run liberals from Massachusetts for president. Just don’t do it. This state does not elect people who can compete on the national stage. We don’t understand how the middle of the country works and excel at talking down to people. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
I I see good stuff about Warren too. Unions like her and she's got 3 brothers who are veterans. but yeah if she can't transcend the liberal tag like Bernie kind of did she'd have no shot probably. | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: New England is a toxic wasteland for national candidates. Bernie is super popular and maybe the best bet in recent years. But I still haven't recovered from running John Kerry against Bush. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
It will be interesting to see how it goes, though. It's a shame truly proportional setups can give you an EC disadvantage because the preferred Democrat in Georgia/Alabama/New York/California doesn't mean diddly-squat. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Sanders is in better health than most his age due to his history of running, but certain types of degeneration are very unpredictable to actually be president in 2020. Great as a figurehead though. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
I expect the DNC to be extremely hands off in 2020. Also unlikely we'd have 1 candidate getting all the endorsements In other news Russia just threw a lawyer out of a 4th story window. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Like I can imagine them pushing Manchin, and having DWS go on stage and literally say "What are you going to do? Vote republican?" and vanish in a poof of smoke and flames, with only her laugh and Donna Brazille lingering behind. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Though I would pay to see SNL do that skit about the DNC. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
other people who could maybe run. Henrich from NM, Merkely from Oregon. of course it's 99 percent speculation at this point. Heck maybe Casey will end up running and winning. I'm going to stop listing candidates now before I list every US senator (other than Hirono for obvious reasons even though she might be my favorite senator.) I like Heinrich a lot (despite the A from the NRA) feel he would have a good shot at taking Arizona. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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