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{CC}StealthBlue
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Plansix
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On another note, he is cutting the budget for climate scientist. These are the few people in the county studying trying to predict hurricanes and tornadoes. And the White House is still short like 1000 staff. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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On March 04 2017 21:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: And this is where Paranoia becomes potentially dangerous: He's really melting down :X Also this stuff: Why not just start a case then since you can clearly afford a 'good lawyer' with all those Mar-a-Lago membership fees On March 04 2017 21:57 Plansix wrote: And the White House is still short like 1000 staff. Turns out there's only so many billionaires you can assign | ||
Biff The Understudy
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My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit. I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything. Let wait and see. | ||
m4ini
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Turns out there's only so many billionaires you can assign #draintheswamp That being said, i actually wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. I like how he addresses Obama still as President Obama though. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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TheTenthDoc
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Doodsmack
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Doodsmack
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Danglars
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On March 04 2017 21:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Whatever it is he just reminded people that a FISA court approved warrants against his campaign on espionage suspicion. Picture Bush doing this to Kerry. Keeping wiretaps active after a debunked story (Russia banks), then changing procedure to let the NSA disseminate it quite widely. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked. Scary stuff. I hope Trump brings enough attention to it to prompt legislation reigning in private information gained through NSA/FISA wiretaps. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Brand maintenance while in office. The key word is "winning." This guy lol. | ||
Doodsmack
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Depending on what else the investigations had on Trump, in theory I could see an argument that they kept it open for national security reasons. I guess we'll know soon enough, because there are active investigations. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On March 05 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/838016045222854656 Brand maintenance while in office. The key word is "winning." This guy lol. With the amount of shit he's in, picking a fight with the terminator doesn't seem very smart | ||
Tien
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On March 04 2017 22:18 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's a bit distressing that none of his bullshit seems to have any consequences. I mean it's such a circus at that point that no one even know how to react anymore. The NYT seems to think that the watergate tweets are not worth their time, and haven't covered any it at all yet. They might have a point. My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit. I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything. Let wait and see. There was a FISA request back in June by the Obama administration but that was rejected. There was another FISA request in October, but it narrowed it down to a story about how a Trump server was "communicating" with Russian banks. That was granted. These two requests were already reported upon before. That entire Trump server story turned out to be bogus. So a FISA request to wire tap Trump was granted in October. So now the question is, how much wiretapping did Obama do on Trump and with which kinds of methods. This could end up being a huge Obama scandal. Obama "watergated" Trump to fish as much information as he could, then a few days before the inaugaration Obama expanded deep state powers to transfer information between departments to leak information easier. This is nefarious. | ||
Mohdoo
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Tien
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On March 05 2017 01:15 Mohdoo wrote: Looking at those Tweets, I wonder what kinda news we're in for next week. He's doing anything he can to create a distraction. Obama wiretapping his opponent is pretty big deal. There were FISA requests by Obama to wire tap Trump back in June and October. The question is why? | ||
Gorsameth
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On March 05 2017 01:07 Tien wrote: There was a FISA request back in June by the Obama administration but that was rejected. There was another FISA request in October, but it narrowed it down to a story about how a Trump server was "communicating" with Russian banks. That was granted. These two requests were already reported upon before. That entire Trump server story turned out to be bogus. So a FISA request to wire tap Trump was granted in October. So now the question is, how much wiretapping did Obama do on Trump and with which kinds of methods. This could end up being a huge Obama scandal. Obama "watergated" Trump to fish as much information as he could, then a few days before the inaugaration Obama expanded deep state powers to transfer information between departments to leak information easier. This is nefarious. If nothing was found and he purely did it to fight Trump then yes. If it ends up that Trump is compromised the story turns around and hes a hero. | ||
kwizach
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edit: apparently the server wasn't even located in Trump tower, contrary to what the article above claimed. | ||
Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On March 05 2017 01:22 Gorsameth wrote: If nothing was found and he purely did it to fight Trump then yes. If it ends up that Trump is compromised the story turns around and hes a hero. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427 Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day. So Obama did wire tapped Trump, how deep does this go? How long did he do this for? If Obama used this wiretap to get information and then leak it to the press, that is nefarious and at the level of Nixon. Knowing what we know about the leaks that constantly come out from Ex-Obama officials to the press, there's very little room to doubt what Obama's intentions were. | ||
ChristianS
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