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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 04 2017 12:51 GMT
#140781
Whatever it is he just reminded people that a FISA court approved warrants against his campaign on espionage suspicion.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 13:00:07
March 04 2017 12:57 GMT
#140782


On another note, he is cutting the budget for climate scientist. These are the few people in the county studying trying to predict hurricanes and tornadoes.

And the White House is still short like 1000 staff.

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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 13:14:50
March 04 2017 13:10 GMT
#140783
On March 04 2017 21:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And this is where Paranoia becomes potentially dangerous:




He's really melting down :X

Also this stuff:


Why not just start a case then since you can clearly afford a 'good lawyer' with all those Mar-a-Lago membership fees

On March 04 2017 21:57 Plansix wrote:

And the White House is still short like 1000 staff.


Turns out there's only so many billionaires you can assign
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7887 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 13:45:36
March 04 2017 13:18 GMT
#140784
It's a bit distressing that none of his bullshit seems to have any consequences. I mean it's such a circus at that point that no one even know how to react anymore. The NYT seems to think that the watergate tweets are not worth their time, and haven't covered any it at all yet. They might have a point.

My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit.

I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything.

Let wait and see.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
March 04 2017 13:31 GMT
#140785
Turns out there's only so many billionaires you can assign


#draintheswamp


That being said, i actually wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. I like how he addresses Obama still as President Obama though.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 04 2017 13:32 GMT
#140786


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 04 2017 13:52 GMT
#140787
I hope my phones don't get "tapp"ed
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 04 2017 15:17 GMT
#140788
Now those are some bizarre tweets.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 04 2017 15:20 GMT
#140789
Apparently there was FISA-approved surveillance on a computer in Trump Tower thought to be communicating with Russian banks. I remember some random computer scientists coming out with that story. So maybe that's what Trump is referring to?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 04 2017 15:25 GMT
#140790
On March 04 2017 21:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Whatever it is he just reminded people that a FISA court approved warrants against his campaign on espionage suspicion.

Picture Bush doing this to Kerry. Keeping wiretaps active after a debunked story (Russia banks), then changing procedure to let the NSA disseminate it quite widely.

As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.

Scary stuff. I hope Trump brings enough attention to it to prompt legislation reigning in private information gained through NSA/FISA wiretaps.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 04 2017 15:37 GMT
#140791

Brand maintenance while in office. The key word is "winning." This guy lol.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 15:41:01
March 04 2017 15:38 GMT
#140792
So the NYT story recently about the Obama admin spreading info around may be part of an effort to get leaks. They say it's an effort to make sure the investigations wouldn't get stifled by the Trump admin.

Depending on what else the investigations had on Trump, in theory I could see an argument that they kept it open for national security reasons.

I guess we'll know soon enough, because there are active investigations.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
March 04 2017 15:42 GMT
#140793
On March 05 2017 00:37 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/838016045222854656
Brand maintenance while in office. The key word is "winning." This guy lol.

With the amount of shit he's in, picking a fight with the terminator doesn't seem very smart
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 16:10:54
March 04 2017 16:07 GMT
#140794
On March 04 2017 22:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's a bit distressing that none of his bullshit seems to have any consequences. I mean it's such a circus at that point that no one even know how to react anymore. The NYT seems to think that the watergate tweets are not worth their time, and haven't covered any it at all yet. They might have a point.

My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit.

I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything.

Let wait and see.


There was a FISA request back in June by the Obama administration but that was rejected.

There was another FISA request in October, but it narrowed it down to a story about how a Trump server was "communicating" with Russian banks. That was granted.

These two requests were already reported upon before.

That entire Trump server story turned out to be bogus. So a FISA request to wire tap Trump was granted in October. So now the question is, how much wiretapping did Obama do on Trump and with which kinds of methods.


This could end up being a huge Obama scandal. Obama "watergated" Trump to fish as much information as he could, then a few days before the inaugaration Obama expanded deep state powers to transfer information between departments to leak information easier.

This is nefarious.
We decide our own destiny
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15684 Posts
March 04 2017 16:15 GMT
#140795
Looking at those Tweets, I wonder what kinda news we're in for next week. He's doing anything he can to create a distraction.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
March 04 2017 16:21 GMT
#140796
On March 05 2017 01:15 Mohdoo wrote:
Looking at those Tweets, I wonder what kinda news we're in for next week. He's doing anything he can to create a distraction.


Obama wiretapping his opponent is pretty big deal.

There were FISA requests by Obama to wire tap Trump back in June and October.

The question is why?
We decide our own destiny
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
March 04 2017 16:22 GMT
#140797
On March 05 2017 01:07 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2017 22:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's a bit distressing that none of his bullshit seems to have any consequences. I mean it's such a circus at that point that no one even know how to react anymore. The NYT seems to think that the watergate tweets are not worth their time, and haven't covered any it at all yet. They might have a point.

My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit.

I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything.

Let wait and see.


There was a FISA request back in June by the Obama administration but that was rejected.

There was another FISA request in October, but it narrowed it down to a story about how a Trump server was "communicating" with Russian banks. That was granted.

These two requests were already reported upon before.

That entire Trump server story turned out to be bogus. So a FISA request to wire tap Trump was granted in October. So now the question is, how much wiretapping did Obama do on Trump and with which kinds of methods.


This could end up being a huge Obama scandal. Obama "watergated" Trump to fish as much information as he could, then a few days before the inaugaration Obama expanded deep state powers to transfer information between departments to leak information easier.

This is nefarious.

If nothing was found and he purely did it to fight Trump then yes.

If it ends up that Trump is compromised the story turns around and hes a hero.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 08:49:25
March 04 2017 16:35 GMT
#140798
Uh, the story is a few months old. It's about a FISA warrant the FBI requested to look into some communications between a server located at the Trump tower and a Russian bank. See here, for example. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama ordering his troops to wiretap Trump to harm him and his campaign.

edit: apparently the server wasn't even located in Trump tower, contrary to what the article above claimed.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-04 16:48:28
March 04 2017 16:46 GMT
#140799
On March 05 2017 01:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 01:07 Tien wrote:
On March 04 2017 22:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:
It's a bit distressing that none of his bullshit seems to have any consequences. I mean it's such a circus at that point that no one even know how to react anymore. The NYT seems to think that the watergate tweets are not worth their time, and haven't covered any it at all yet. They might have a point.

My first reaction would be to say "maybe that's true, has he got proof?" but this kind of line of repsoning implies that facts and speech still matter a little bit.

I still somewhat hope that we, one day, get to know what made him think that Obama spied on him and have substance to discuss and evaluate. But then again, we live in strange times, where the POTUS can throw a very serious accusation on twitter, call his predecessor a sick guy, and probably never back any of it with anything.

Let wait and see.


There was a FISA request back in June by the Obama administration but that was rejected.

There was another FISA request in October, but it narrowed it down to a story about how a Trump server was "communicating" with Russian banks. That was granted.

These two requests were already reported upon before.

That entire Trump server story turned out to be bogus. So a FISA request to wire tap Trump was granted in October. So now the question is, how much wiretapping did Obama do on Trump and with which kinds of methods.


This could end up being a huge Obama scandal. Obama "watergated" Trump to fish as much information as he could, then a few days before the inaugaration Obama expanded deep state powers to transfer information between departments to leak information easier.

This is nefarious.

If nothing was found and he purely did it to fight Trump then yes.

If it ends up that Trump is compromised the story turns around and hes a hero.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.


So Obama did wire tapped Trump, how deep does this go? How long did he do this for?

If Obama used this wiretap to get information and then leak it to the press, that is nefarious and at the level of Nixon. Knowing what we know about the leaks that constantly come out from Ex-Obama officials to the press, there's very little room to doubt what Obama's intentions were.
We decide our own destiny
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
March 04 2017 16:47 GMT
#140800
Jesus Christ guys. I try not to post if I haven't read the discussion up to this point but these days just reading the thread as it's produced is a full time job. It's like LR threads back in the day, or Twitch chat maybe.
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