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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
February 16 2017 19:46 GMT
#137901
On February 17 2017 04:32 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.

I thought it was alt-regressive left now.

Eh, I'm not a fan of "Alt Left" as a term. I think it's manufactured and doubt that it will catch on.

It will be the only manufacturing his time in office brings to the US.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2017 19:46 GMT
#137902
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14157 Posts
February 16 2017 19:50 GMT
#137903
On February 17 2017 04:38 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:34 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/832306907805319173


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.


honestly, that did't even cross my mind. I'm glad im not a leftist, looking at everything through the prism of race and sex and orientation must be both tiring and depressing.

You're absolutely right that looking at Trump is depressing, especially from a racism angle. It's because he says things like that he wants Jews handling his money, and had to be legally compelled to start renting to "colored people", that when a black reporter asks about the black caucus and he tells her to set up the meet we're suspicious that he thinks they all live together in one big halfway house in "the inner cities".

You've got to admit that it's not much of a stretch with Trump. Most people don't say these things because most people aren't 70 year olds with a track record of racism but even then, those that do would probably be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he implies all people of an ethnic minority know each other because there really isn't much benefit of the doubt left in his case.

Thats a really unfair thing to be suspicious of someone of, clearly hes got a track record of saying inflammatory things that go on the line but putting words in his mouth and applying whatever meaning you want to his words is pretty far out as well. I'm pretty sure the black caucus knows each other from their caucusing together. People shouldn't be surprised about racial identification when the organization they associate with is racially named. Its like being surprised planned parenthood is getting all the anti abortion attention from politicians.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2017 19:50 GMT
#137904
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
[quote]

But he won when he was running against someone. Now it's just him. I agree that a lot of stuff that happened during the campaign could be excused as part of winning the presidency, but only under the condition that he dropped that behavior after being elected. And it really doesn't seem to be a winning strategy anymore.

Trump ran against the press at least as much as he ran against Hillary. The press is his whipping boy and permanent foil. Like I have said before, Trump correctly understands that his biggest opposition is the press, and he's handling it with the proper amount of hostility so as to erode confidence in the press and maintain his support.


Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.

You will be lucky if Trump signs a single bill. Nothing is making it out of the Senate. The ACA isn’t going to get repealed. You just get Don Cheeto yelling at the press for 2 years.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-16 19:52:24
February 16 2017 19:51 GMT
#137905
I don't think anyone should be surprised at this point Trump cannot interpret any question about what he will do about the actions of bad people, even one that begins with "you're not a ____," as an accusation that he is a ____ rather than a question about how he intends to combat _____.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 16 2017 19:52 GMT
#137906
On February 17 2017 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Trump ran against the press at least as much as he ran against Hillary. The press is his whipping boy and permanent foil. Like I have said before, Trump correctly understands that his biggest opposition is the press, and he's handling it with the proper amount of hostility so as to erode confidence in the press and maintain his support.


Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.


I'm sure you would love this argument if it was used by the left. Yeah we don't care that they habitually lie, seem remarkably uninformed (didn't know what the CBC was for example), questionable foreign relations, etc... because you know, they are going to pass stuff we want.

lol, like come on man, you're too smart to think that doesn't look idiotic.

Wasn't this basically the argument for voting for Hillary? Suggesting that people vote for policy over personal flaw is nothing more than pointing out the obvious.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44191 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-16 19:56:33
February 16 2017 19:55 GMT
#137907
On February 17 2017 04:50 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:38 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:34 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/832306907805319173


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.


honestly, that did't even cross my mind. I'm glad im not a leftist, looking at everything through the prism of race and sex and orientation must be both tiring and depressing.

You're absolutely right that looking at Trump is depressing, especially from a racism angle. It's because he says things like that he wants Jews handling his money, and had to be legally compelled to start renting to "colored people", that when a black reporter asks about the black caucus and he tells her to set up the meet we're suspicious that he thinks they all live together in one big halfway house in "the inner cities".

You've got to admit that it's not much of a stretch with Trump. Most people don't say these things because most people aren't 70 year olds with a track record of racism but even then, those that do would probably be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he implies all people of an ethnic minority know each other because there really isn't much benefit of the doubt left in his case.

Thats a really unfair thing to be suspicious of someone of, clearly hes got a track record of saying inflammatory things that go on the line but putting words in his mouth and applying whatever meaning you want to his words is pretty far out as well. I'm pretty sure the black caucus knows each other from their caucusing together. People shouldn't be surprised about racial identification when the organization they associate with is racially named. Its like being surprised planned parenthood is getting all the anti abortion attention from politicians.

The woman Trump told to set up the meeting wasn't a member of the black caucus, she was a journalist. While I'm sure the members of the black caucus do know each other, she's not one of them. She was just black. Trump, for some reason, decided that this black woman would know all the members of the black caucus.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 16 2017 19:55 GMT
#137908
You can see how Trump attacking the media takes his supporters' attention away from his campaign's Russia ties.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 16 2017 19:57 GMT
#137909
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
[quote]

But he won when he was running against someone. Now it's just him. I agree that a lot of stuff that happened during the campaign could be excused as part of winning the presidency, but only under the condition that he dropped that behavior after being elected. And it really doesn't seem to be a winning strategy anymore.

Trump ran against the press at least as much as he ran against Hillary. The press is his whipping boy and permanent foil. Like I have said before, Trump correctly understands that his biggest opposition is the press, and he's handling it with the proper amount of hostility so as to erode confidence in the press and maintain his support.


Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.


Is this really a common line of thought among US republicans? Because that would really help me finally close my mouth after months of awe and wondering about how the hell can anyone support someone as inept in ... everything as Trump. Or is it just a particular position of a person with above-average intellect and most of Trump's supporters are actually buying him? Is it in any way or form known what fraction of people think like this?

But even then, aren't you worried that the fallout from Trump's incompetence will outweight the benefit of the policies? Barring generl luck (such as vast natural resources), prosperity in a country typically stems from "things working" - the countries with highest quality of life are those where the system works with predictability and stability, to which Trump seems to embody the polar opposite in his first actions. Even if we accept that his policies are good for the economy and living conditions of Americans, isn't it possible that all the disruptions will turn out to be too costly, because he just doesn't seem to think things through?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 16 2017 19:58 GMT
#137910
this is all too funny

far leftists are busy deflecting attacks against trump in order to attack the Establishment

rightwingers are busy deflecting attacks against trump in order to attack the Press

wew lads
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-16 20:04:50
February 16 2017 20:03 GMT
#137911
On February 17 2017 04:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
[quote]

Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.


I'm sure you would love this argument if it was used by the left. Yeah we don't care that they habitually lie, seem remarkably uninformed (didn't know what the CBC was for example), questionable foreign relations, etc... because you know, they are going to pass stuff we want.

lol, like come on man, you're too smart to think that doesn't look idiotic.

Wasn't this basically the argument for voting for Hillary? Suggesting that people vote for policy over personal flaw is nothing more than pointing out the obvious.


that's a hell of a false equivalence right there. GH probably thinks hillary is awful and i obviously think otherwise, but to compare her to flaming dumpster you're supporting is absurd.

but hey, i guess it's the best argument you got.

at the end of the day you can whine about the media's treatment of the trump, but it's not like they're wrong.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8145 Posts
February 16 2017 20:07 GMT
#137912
"We are running like a fine tuned machine"

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Jesus Christ, this guy will kill me. It reminds me when he said that when he looked himself in the mirror he saw a 35 years old man. Like, nobody sees he is an obese old man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/16/alexander-acosta-labor-secretary-nomination-donald-trump
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 16 2017 20:07 GMT
#137913
On February 17 2017 04:57 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:54 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Trump ran against the press at least as much as he ran against Hillary. The press is his whipping boy and permanent foil. Like I have said before, Trump correctly understands that his biggest opposition is the press, and he's handling it with the proper amount of hostility so as to erode confidence in the press and maintain his support.


Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.


Is this really a common line of thought among US republicans? Because that would really help me finally close my mouth after months of awe and wondering about how the hell can anyone support someone as inept in ... everything as Trump. Or is it just a particular position of a person with above-average intellect and most of Trump's supporters are actually buying him? Is it in any way or form known what fraction of people think like this?

But even then, aren't you worried that the fallout from Trump's incompetence will outweight the benefit of the policies? Barring generl luck (such as vast natural resources), prosperity in a country typically stems from "things working" - the countries with highest quality of life are those where the system works with predictability and stability, to which Trump seems to embody the polar opposite in his first actions. Even if we accept that his policies are good for the economy and living conditions of Americans, isn't it possible that all the disruptions will turn out to be too costly, because he just doesn't seem to think things through?

it is a common line of thought I've heard from a number on the right. not sure what % of them it applies to.
some did it simply for the supreme court picks, given how many current issues are decided in 5-4 rulings, they don't want the balance of the court to tip leftward and be that way for decades.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2017 20:10 GMT
#137914
On February 17 2017 04:55 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 04:50 Sermokala wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:38 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:34 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/832306907805319173


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.


honestly, that did't even cross my mind. I'm glad im not a leftist, looking at everything through the prism of race and sex and orientation must be both tiring and depressing.

You're absolutely right that looking at Trump is depressing, especially from a racism angle. It's because he says things like that he wants Jews handling his money, and had to be legally compelled to start renting to "colored people", that when a black reporter asks about the black caucus and he tells her to set up the meet we're suspicious that he thinks they all live together in one big halfway house in "the inner cities".

You've got to admit that it's not much of a stretch with Trump. Most people don't say these things because most people aren't 70 year olds with a track record of racism but even then, those that do would probably be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he implies all people of an ethnic minority know each other because there really isn't much benefit of the doubt left in his case.

Thats a really unfair thing to be suspicious of someone of, clearly hes got a track record of saying inflammatory things that go on the line but putting words in his mouth and applying whatever meaning you want to his words is pretty far out as well. I'm pretty sure the black caucus knows each other from their caucusing together. People shouldn't be surprised about racial identification when the organization they associate with is racially named. Its like being surprised planned parenthood is getting all the anti abortion attention from politicians.

The woman Trump told to set up the meeting wasn't a member of the black caucus, she was a journalist. While I'm sure the members of the black caucus do know each other, she's not one of them. She was just black. Trump, for some reason, decided that this black woman would know all the members of the black caucus.

I don’t know about you, but I know every single person with my specific ethnic make up within 100 miles and can set up meetings sat any time. We meet bi-weekly.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
February 16 2017 20:11 GMT
#137915
On February 17 2017 04:52 xDaunt wrote:
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On February 17 2017 04:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:14 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:00 Logo wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:58 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 03:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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Isn't that how all dictatorships start though? Lol... I find you the kind of person that use to watch the apprentice religiously. I may be wrong, but that's just how this post came off for me.

Sure, there are risks to what Trump is doing. But guess what? Given the hostility of the press to him and his policies, Trump doesn't have a choice. Neither does any other conservative or republican. The press is as much as the enemy as democrats to right-leaning policy.


The press is supposed to be hostile; he's an elected official. You can argue it was unfair during the primary, but that's irrelevant for being President. It's basically one of the built in checks and balances of the government (hence the whole 4th estate thing).

Are you really going to argue that the press treats Trump and Republicans no differently than it treats Obama and the Democrats?

Trump is also a blatant liar, and the Republicans who support Trump tap dance around it.

So obviously two drastically different people (with drastically different levels of competency) will be treated differently.

No, we don't tap dance around Trump's lying. We acknowledge it, and make it clear that we really don't care.


your emperor has no clothes. we know it. you know it. the thing is, you'd just like to pretend it's not so.

The Right isn't pretending anything. It knows what Trump is and what Trump is not. All that matters is the bottom line. And the bottom line here is that Trump is the tool through which many policies favored by the Right will be enacted. It just happens to be an added benefit that Trump is going to do permanent damage to Leftist institutions that have antagonized the Right for years.


I'm sure you would love this argument if it was used by the left. Yeah we don't care that they habitually lie, seem remarkably uninformed (didn't know what the CBC was for example), questionable foreign relations, etc... because you know, they are going to pass stuff we want.

lol, like come on man, you're too smart to think that doesn't look idiotic.

Wasn't this basically the argument for voting for Hillary? Suggesting that people vote for policy over personal flaw is nothing more than pointing out the obvious.


Besides it not quite being directly comparable for a variety of reasons, I thought it was dumb then too. Step out of the D v R mentality for a moment, and realize the point you are making looks foolish.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 16 2017 20:13 GMT
#137916
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44191 Posts
February 16 2017 20:15 GMT
#137917
On February 17 2017 05:10 Plansix wrote:
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On February 17 2017 04:55 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:50 Sermokala wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:38 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:34 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/832306907805319173


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.


honestly, that did't even cross my mind. I'm glad im not a leftist, looking at everything through the prism of race and sex and orientation must be both tiring and depressing.

You're absolutely right that looking at Trump is depressing, especially from a racism angle. It's because he says things like that he wants Jews handling his money, and had to be legally compelled to start renting to "colored people", that when a black reporter asks about the black caucus and he tells her to set up the meet we're suspicious that he thinks they all live together in one big halfway house in "the inner cities".

You've got to admit that it's not much of a stretch with Trump. Most people don't say these things because most people aren't 70 year olds with a track record of racism but even then, those that do would probably be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he implies all people of an ethnic minority know each other because there really isn't much benefit of the doubt left in his case.

Thats a really unfair thing to be suspicious of someone of, clearly hes got a track record of saying inflammatory things that go on the line but putting words in his mouth and applying whatever meaning you want to his words is pretty far out as well. I'm pretty sure the black caucus knows each other from their caucusing together. People shouldn't be surprised about racial identification when the organization they associate with is racially named. Its like being surprised planned parenthood is getting all the anti abortion attention from politicians.

The woman Trump told to set up the meeting wasn't a member of the black caucus, she was a journalist. While I'm sure the members of the black caucus do know each other, she's not one of them. She was just black. Trump, for some reason, decided that this black woman would know all the members of the black caucus.

I don’t know about you, but I know every single person with my specific ethnic make up within 100 miles and can set up meetings sat any time. We meet bi-weekly.

It's tough getting to know the English in America, we don't broadcast much outside of the first 11 days of November. Those are basically the only days I get people coming up to me and introducing themselves.

The part where she'd set it up for Trump was weird too. Like you'd think the President's secretary would give them a very limited selection of time slots to pick from and they'd work around that. Not a reporter setting it up and telling the President to cancel whatever he had planned for that time and show up. Is he really just not very busy?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2017 20:21 GMT
#137918
On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible.

They have been drinking the win by whatever means necessary koolaid for over a decade. They have tapped into every single scorched earth tactic possible, so it isn’t surprising. Turning Obama into this cartoon villain that they would run against is backfiring now because the ACA is popular and removing it will piss their own voters off.

It’s the problem on seeking power by promising Unicorns, there is a chance you might have to deliver.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 16 2017 20:23 GMT
#137919
On February 17 2017 05:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2017 05:10 Plansix wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:55 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:50 Sermokala wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:38 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:34 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:29 xDaunt wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:17 biology]major wrote:
On February 17 2017 04:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/832306907805319173


what is this even supposed to mean? referring to the tweet itself

It's more of the same race-baiting that we have come to expect from the regressive left.


honestly, that did't even cross my mind. I'm glad im not a leftist, looking at everything through the prism of race and sex and orientation must be both tiring and depressing.

You're absolutely right that looking at Trump is depressing, especially from a racism angle. It's because he says things like that he wants Jews handling his money, and had to be legally compelled to start renting to "colored people", that when a black reporter asks about the black caucus and he tells her to set up the meet we're suspicious that he thinks they all live together in one big halfway house in "the inner cities".

You've got to admit that it's not much of a stretch with Trump. Most people don't say these things because most people aren't 70 year olds with a track record of racism but even then, those that do would probably be given the benefit of the doubt. Trump doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when he implies all people of an ethnic minority know each other because there really isn't much benefit of the doubt left in his case.

Thats a really unfair thing to be suspicious of someone of, clearly hes got a track record of saying inflammatory things that go on the line but putting words in his mouth and applying whatever meaning you want to his words is pretty far out as well. I'm pretty sure the black caucus knows each other from their caucusing together. People shouldn't be surprised about racial identification when the organization they associate with is racially named. Its like being surprised planned parenthood is getting all the anti abortion attention from politicians.

The woman Trump told to set up the meeting wasn't a member of the black caucus, she was a journalist. While I'm sure the members of the black caucus do know each other, she's not one of them. She was just black. Trump, for some reason, decided that this black woman would know all the members of the black caucus.

I don’t know about you, but I know every single person with my specific ethnic make up within 100 miles and can set up meetings sat any time. We meet bi-weekly.

It's tough getting to know the English in America, we don't broadcast much outside of the first 11 days of November. Those are basically the only days I get people coming up to me and introducing themselves.

The part where she'd set it up for Trump was weird too. Like you'd think the President's secretary would give them a very limited selection of time slots to pick from and they'd work around that. Not a reporter setting it up and telling the President to cancel whatever he had planned for that time and show up. Is he really just not very busy?

My take on that was she was like “Whatever, I have that phone number. I’ll make that call and write a story about it.”
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 16 2017 20:28 GMT
#137920
President Donald Trump's new nominee for secretary of labor, Alexander Acosta, could face a grilling in the Senate over claims that — while he was the top federal prosecutor in Miami — he cut a sweetheart plea deal in 2008 with a billionaire investor accused of having sex with dozens of underage girls.

As the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida, Acosta agreed not to file any federal charges against the wealthy financier, Jeffrey Epstein, if he pled guilty to state charges involving soliciting prostitution and soliciting a minor for prostitution.

Epstein ultimately received an 18-month sentence in county jail and served about 13 months — treatment that provoked outrage from alleged victims in the case.

Soon after the deal was cut in 2008, two women filed suit claiming that the decision to forgo federal prosecution violated a federal law — the Crime Victims Rights Act — because they and other teenagers Epstein paid for sex were never adequately consulted about the plea deal or given an opportunity to object to it.

Acosta is not a party in the suit, which names only the federal government as a defendant. In 2015, lawyers for the women demanded Acosta submit to a deposition in the case. The motion was withdrawn last year as settlement talks in the case went forward, but the case remains pending.

"There is good reason to believe that if the prosecutors had exposed their dealings to scrutiny by Jane Doe 1, Jane Doe 2 and other victims, they would not have reached such a sweetheart plea deal," the alleged victims' attorneys wrote in a court filing last year.

Acosta acknowledged to the media in 2011 that he came under extreme pressure from Epstein's high-powered defense team, which included legal heavyweights such as Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, former Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr and Florida criminal defense attorney Roy Black.

Acosta said Epstein's defense mounted "a yearlong assault on the prosecution and the prosecutors."

"I use the word assault intentionally, as the defense in this case was more aggressive than any which I, or the prosecutors in my office, had previously encountered," the former U.S. attorney wrote. He said his office stuck to its opening position in the case, but he also acknowledged that the ultimate punishment in the case may have been more lenient than Epstein deserved.


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