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On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible.
See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago.
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On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago.
A complete shitshow and the most incompetent President in the history of the US?
Gj.
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On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible.
Conservatives generally despise the GOP. But the left is so insane there isn't a choice. Donald Trump won less than 50% of the primary vote, yet got 90%+ of Republicans on election day. That's what's happening here.
Edit: and as xDaunt says, there are at least some things that can be accomplished even witg Trump.
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On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago.
Nobody doubts the right can get things done when armed with authoritarianism, state propaganda, attacking truth as the opposition party, militarism, an overwhelming victim complex, attacks on the judiciary, deeply insecure nationalism, and oligarchic capitalism. There is a very impressive history of the kind of things that the right can get done with those.
What we don't get it why you think that's something you should be trying to emulate.
Let's put this another way, how do you think the next four years are going to be portrayed in the history books? The same as all the other times someone put this combination together in order to get things done? Or will this one be different?
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On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago.
Most liberals are in agreement that trying to work with the right is a complete waste of time and has been since the 2000. Come at us and let’s see who cares more.
And as Kwark put it, your plan of attack seems to have some flaws.
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On February 17 2017 05:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago. A complete shitshow and the most incompetent President in the history of the US? Gj.
Yep, if this is what the right can achieve by fighting for what it believes in, then the right seems pretty bad to me.
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On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago.
You can "fight back" without resorting to MAD, which seems to be the rights mentality. "We win or we all die". Yea if you think that is the right way to go about things then I don't know if a diverse democratic state is the right place for you.
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On February 17 2017 05:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago. A complete shitshow and the most incompetent President in the history of the US? Gj.
Eh, I don't buy into the constant hysteria from the left, so I reject the premise that things are terrible.
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On February 17 2017 05:42 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:34 Gorsameth wrote:On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago. A complete shitshow and the most incompetent President in the history of the US? Gj. Eh, I don't buy into the constant hysteria from the left, so I reject the premise that things are terrible.
Every news outlet is reporting that sources in the WH, congress, IC and military are calling it a shit show. I believe Mara Ellison from NRP said “An F-ing train wreck” was the quote from her WH source. But I know that’s the liberal media, so you can ignore it.
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Neither Breitbart nor Fox News considers Trump's presidency tumultuous, therefore xDaunt will refuse to take notice of that possibility. He is not unique in this regard.
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Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then?
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On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then?
Exactly.
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In my experience a lot of far right people function in this fashion. It's not really about being right or doing the correct thing for the country, it's just about sticking it to the others.
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On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then?
Because they are not the primary people releasing the information. Most of the reports are coming from people who have viewed the transcripts, who members of other agencies or congressional staff.
On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly.
You have to read the liberal media to be informed on where the information is coming from.
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On February 17 2017 05:42 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:34 Gorsameth wrote:On February 17 2017 05:31 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. See, here's what you liberals and leftists don't understand: this is what happens when the Right actually decides to fight for what it believes rather than constantly being on the apologetic defensive. This should have happened years ago. A complete shitshow and the most incompetent President in the history of the US? Gj. Eh, I don't buy into the constant hysteria from the left, so I reject the premise that things are terrible.
Do you think his cabinet picks so far represent qualified individuals? And what about his National Security Adviser who was forced out as a threat to national security? How about his trade negotiations with Mexico? Or his two China then one China strategy with China? Or his anti-NATO then pro-NATO policy? Or his negotiations with Russia over the Ukranian crisis? Or the Muslim ban that, as signed, was clearly violating the rights of legal permanent residents and threw the entire immigration system into disarray before the judiciary stopped him?
Which part of his presidency so far do you think is going well?
Or, to take the opposite approach, what level of disorder would meet your benchmark for incompetence? How many failed policies, unconstitutional executive orders, national security threats and empty cabinet seats would you feel represents incompetent?
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On February 17 2017 05:47 farvacola wrote:
Neither Breitbart nor Fox News considers Trump's presidency tumultuous, therefore xDaunt will refuse to take notice of that possibility. He is not unique in this regard.
Which is fine, people are allowed to have alternative views on the subject. Insulting everyone’s intelligence and claiming the evil leftist media is the enemy of the Republican party is sort of where the argument falls apart. I’m as left as they come and I don’t attack Fox News as a whole, just their worst talking heads.
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On February 17 2017 05:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Because they are not the primary people releasing the information. Most of the reports are coming from people who have viewed the transcripts, who members of other agencies or congressional staff. Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. You have to read the liberal media to be informed on where the information is coming from.
how do you know this?
lol saw you answered xdaunt, but they don't really reveal their sources so I don't get your degree of confidence.
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Oh wow, this press conference is something truly amazing. If I weren't partially enjoying the chaos I'd be very frightened right now.
I will say, though, that Trump has worn out his benefit of the doubt. I said around November 8 to give him a chance because he was going to be president. At this point we see exactly what he's all about and there is little to defend.
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Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore 
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On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then?
Keep in mind that the mere fact that there were frequent, high-level contacts with Russian intelligence is damning. For you to say "show me the transcript" is a cop out. We have reason enough by now to trust that the contacts occurred.
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