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On February 17 2017 06:04 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Keep in mind that the mere fact that there were frequent, high-level contacts with Russian intelligence is damning. For you to say "show me the transcript" is a cop out. We have reason enough by now to trust that the contacts occurred.
The msm reports it as "multiple aides" in "constant" communication. Multiple = manafort, and the already known about flynn communication. What is "constant"? I have good reason to be distrusting of the media, I agree it deserves further attention and should be investigated.
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On February 17 2017 05:58 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:49 Plansix wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Because they are not the primary people releasing the information. Most of the reports are coming from people who have viewed the transcripts, who members of other agencies or congressional staff. On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. You have to read the liberal media to be informed on where the information is coming from. how do you know this? lol saw you answered xdaunt, but they don't really reveal their sources so I don't get your degree of confidence.
They talked about it on the NRP politics podcast. Mara Ellison is a reporter in Washington DC and she talked about who she was hearing the information from. Who she has spoken with and that they were not primarily from the IC, but from all branches of government. She didn’t name names, because that would destroy her ability to ever talk to a source ever again.
I also read the NYT and WSJ, they have talked about the leaks coming from places beyond the IC.
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On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. lol we are not snowden or putin. this will be a proper investigation rather than trial by media.
leaks were after congressional gop refused to do anything. if there is an investigation then there wouldnt be a need for leaks
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On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore 
your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make.
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On February 17 2017 06:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:58 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 05:49 Plansix wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Because they are not the primary people releasing the information. Most of the reports are coming from people who have viewed the transcripts, who members of other agencies or congressional staff. On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. You have to read the liberal media to be informed on where the information is coming from. how do you know this? lol saw you answered xdaunt, but they don't really reveal their sources so I don't get your degree of confidence. They talked about it on the NRP politics podcast. Mara Ellison is a reporter in Washington DC and she talked about who she was hearing the information from. Who she has spoken with and that they were not primarily from the IC, but from all branches of government. She didn’t name names, because that would destroy her ability to ever talk to a source ever again. I also read the NYT and WSJ, they have talked about the leaks coming from places beyond the IC.
NPR Mara Liasson?
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On February 17 2017 06:07 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. lol we are not snowden or putin. this will be a proper investigation rather than trial by media. leaks were after congressional gop refused to do anything. if there is an investigation then there wouldnt be a need for leaks
I don't really understand the set of views that can lead to these two statements side by side?
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On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore
Yeah, grew up with an almost life long Republican as a grandfather, who encouraged his grandkids to be Democrats if they felt they had good ideas.
But then again, my grandfather left the party right around when folks like Xdaunt took over. So maybe no quarter is the only way.
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On February 17 2017 05:35 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:13 Slaughter wrote:
XDaunt's attitude shouldn't be a surprise. Republicans over the last 10 years have shown to increasingly be willing to damage the country as a whole in the name of securing as many wins for GOP as possible. Conservatives generally despise the GOP. But the left is so insane there isn't a choice. Donald Trump won less than 50% of the primary vote, yet got 90%+ of Republicans on election day. That's what's happening here. Edit: and as xDaunt says, there are at least some things that can be accomplished even witg Trump.
the right is so insane there isn't a choice for the left.
or the claims of insanity are unjustified.
also, pretty sure some conservatives like the GOP, given how it's the conservative party.
that trump got 90%+ vote of the republicans means people mostly vote party line regardless of the quality of the candidate (and yes that goes for both sides).
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On February 17 2017 06:08 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:07 Plansix wrote:On February 17 2017 05:58 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 05:49 Plansix wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Because they are not the primary people releasing the information. Most of the reports are coming from people who have viewed the transcripts, who members of other agencies or congressional staff. On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. You have to read the liberal media to be informed on where the information is coming from. how do you know this? lol saw you answered xdaunt, but they don't really reveal their sources so I don't get your degree of confidence. They talked about it on the NRP politics podcast. Mara Ellison is a reporter in Washington DC and she talked about who she was hearing the information from. Who she has spoken with and that they were not primarily from the IC, but from all branches of government. She didn’t name names, because that would destroy her ability to ever talk to a source ever again. I also read the NYT and WSJ, they have talked about the leaks coming from places beyond the IC. NPR Mara Liasson?
Shit, I always through it was Ellison. I’m terrible with names.
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On February 17 2017 06:09 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:07 oneofthem wrote:On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. lol we are not snowden or putin. this will be a proper investigation rather than trial by media. leaks were after congressional gop refused to do anything. if there is an investigation then there wouldnt be a need for leaks I don't really understand the set of views that can lead to these two statements side by side?
snowden leaked way too much, with stylized presentations designed to bolster foreign adversaries. his is a propaganda op. you can read this piece to see something close to my view on it.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/why-president-obama-wont-and-shouldnt-pardon-snowden
if he leaked the narrow bits about the 215 program, meh. would prob have been treated as an ellsberg type and gotten away with it
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On February 17 2017 06:07 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Exactly. lol we are not snowden or putin. this will be a proper investigation rather than trial by media. leaks were after congressional gop refused to do anything. if there is an investigation then there wouldnt be a need for leaks
Then have it. I'm just disinclined to accept at face value the steady diet of unsubstantiated leaks to the media when so much of it has proven to be demonstrably false (like the Vermont power grid story or [in all likelihood] this more recent nonsense about intelligence sources withholding info from Trump).
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On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make.
Xdaunt claims to be well informed, but openly admits to not reading or caring about news he declared as from the left/biased. They are the enemy, so they can be disregarded. But then reads the rag that used to be run by Bannon and trusts them.
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Snowden seems like the type of person who didn't understand what intelligence was all about and fell into a deeper web than he had anticipated. A person of his temperament should never have gotten a clearance.
He can look forward to FSB supervision until he turns out to be a good enough present to exchange.
But hey, it helped Russia that he did it, so it's all good.
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On February 17 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make. Xdaunt claims to be well informed, but openly admits to not reading or caring about news he declared as from the left/biased. They are the enemy, so they can be disregarded. But then reads the rag that used to be run by Bannon and trusts them.
You should just throw this entire post in the trash. The only parts that are accurate are the underlined. The rest is your typical, baseless projection.
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On February 17 2017 06:06 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:04 Doodsmack wrote:On February 17 2017 05:47 biology]major wrote:
Why doesn't the IC just release the transcripts and destroy Trump then? Keep in mind that the mere fact that there were frequent, high-level contacts with Russian intelligence is damning. For you to say "show me the transcript" is a cop out. We have reason enough by now to trust that the contacts occurred. The msm reports it as "multiple aides" in "constant" communication. Multiple = manafort, and the already known about flynn communication. What is "constant"? I have good reason to be distrusting of the media, I agree it deserves further attention and should be investigated.
The media has reported it as more than just Manafort and Flynn. It includes some of Trump's business associates. Multiple media outlets have reported it, and they don't just use a single anonymous source when they do this. This is very, very bad stuff.
There's a reason Trump wants to find the leakers and punish them for releasing classified info.
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On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make.
The daunt man likes to draw out attenuated comparisons between poster style and "this is why the regressive left is so awful," and it just so happens that similar attacks can be levied at folks on the other side of the aisle. I'm just pointing this out, dawg.
By the way, commenting on a post purely to point out that it's passive aggressive and indirect is itself a passive aggressive and indirect way to say something 
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On February 17 2017 06:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote:On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make. Xdaunt claims to be well informed, but openly admits to not reading or caring about news he declared as from the left/biased. They are the enemy, so they can be disregarded. But then reads the rag that used to be run by Bannon and trusts them. You should just throw this entire post in the trash. The only parts that are accurate are the underlined. The rest is your typical, baseless projection.
You’re not going to try and convince us you read the NYT and listen to NPR now, right?
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On February 17 2017 06:16 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make. Xdaunt claims to be well informed, but openly admits to not reading or caring about news he declared as from the left/biased. They are the enemy, so they can be disregarded. But then reads the rag that used to be run by Bannon and trusts them.
There is a fixation on the negative stories regardless of what outlet you follow. An outlet that does positive and negative coverage of Trump, I'll call that balanced and worth consuming. There is some good in there, but the hysteria is caused by an unending fixation on the negative. Never read a breitbart article in my life so I'm not sure what that's about. Honestly, the only inquisitive TV journalist I've seen who isn't terribly biased is Cooper on Fake News Network TM.
Regarding the Russia thing, it's stupid because we are put in a position where we have leaks that have damning implications, but then have no access to any other follow up information. What are we supposed to do with this information lol? I'm just going to listen to what mattis says, he seems like a independent agent in Trump's admin and so far he has been calling out Russia.
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On February 17 2017 06:19 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2017 06:07 biology]major wrote:On February 17 2017 06:00 farvacola wrote:Tsk tsk, per xDaunt's words, Fox News is your enemy Plansix, you're supposed to vehemently oppose literally everything associated with them or else...well it's not entirely clear why you have to treat everything as black and white under xDaunt's handy rule of contemporary US political cooperation, only that you give no quarter. How this relates with to conservatives turning into snowflakes when called racists is beyond me, but consistency is clearly not important anymore your passive aggressive and indirect comments usually just undermine whatever point it is you are trying to make. The daunt man likes to draw out attenuated comparisons between poster style and "this is why the regressive left is so awful," and it just so happens that similar attacks can be levied at folks on the other side of the aisle. I'm just pointing this out, dawg. By the way, commenting on a post purely to point out that it's passive aggressive and indirect is itself an incredibly passive aggressive and indirect way to say something
thanks for keepin it real dawg
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Leaks are a very blunt tool of achieving a purpose. You can control what comes out, but you can never know what will come of it. I suppose recent history suggests that they tend to have a pretty powerful spillover effect. A good tool if you want people to panic and create chaos.
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