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plasmidghost
Belgium16169 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
What Trump Is Throwing Out the Window SourceThe global financial crash of 2008 at America’s hands, the rise of ISIS, the transformation of Russia under President Vladimir Putin into a dangerous and committed adversary marked by its 2014 annexation of Crimea and invasion of eastern Ukraine, nuclear weapons programs in North Korea and Iran, cyber interventions in the US election, and a steadily more nationalistic and militarily provocative China—all of these have dramatically raised the stakes of these conflicts over policy. The crux is no longer in deciding how far America should reach in deploying its power and forcing its values on others, but in what it must do to meet a cascade of challenges to its core interests and national security. Into this particularly dangerous moment comes Donald Trump. What he has done is to take the few things on which neocons, realists, and liberal internationalists agree and throw them out the window. These are fundamentals of American foreign policy, taken as givens by both parties for the seven decades since the close of World War II. They include, first, the recognition of the immense value to the security of the United States provided by its allies and worldwide military and political alliances. Second, there is the belief that the global economy is not a zero-sum competition, but a mutually beneficial growth system built on open trade and investment. Since the 1940s the United States has invested in the growth of the world economy out of considered self-interest, believing that it was building growing markets for itself that would operate under a set of rules that it wished to live by. And third, Americans of all political stripes have believed that while authoritarian governments may temporarily enjoy greater freedom of action than governments that have to consider public support, in the long run democracy will prove superior. Dictators have to be tolerated, managed, or confronted, not admired. Trump’s foreign policy often seems invented in the moment—a mixture of impulse and ignorance amid a morass of contradictions. But in fact its essence, the opposite of the three core beliefs I’ve cited, has been remarkably consistent for decades. And, for a realist perspective, Stephen Walt's commentary on Trump's debut is interesting as well: Trump Has Already Blown It SourceIf you’re a Trump supporter, you might be feeling pretty good about the new administration’s first steps. You may have hailed the Muslim ban (and let’s be honest, that’s what it is) as a long-overdue step to protect Americans from dangerous foreigners. (It’s not, of course, but never mind.) Perhaps you also think the chorus of criticism from lawyers, the media, academics, corporate leaders, foreign governments, and former government officials — including many prominent Republicans — is just welcome evidence that Trump is on the right track. You might well view his first two weeks as clear signs a new sheriff is in town and putting the whole world on notice. You may even see his end-runs around the interagency process, his decision to replace top defense and intelligence officials on the National Security Council with alt-right advisor Stephen Bannon as steps designed to protect the “America First” policies that you voted for in November and that he reaffirmed on Inauguration Day. With all due respect, you would be wrong. In fact, if you are a loyal Trump supporter, and especially someone who embraced him because you thought he would deliver a smarter, more self-interested, more restrained, and above all more successful foreign policy than his predecessors, you should be disappointed and deeply worried. Why? Because in just two weeks he has squandered a genuine opportunity to put American foreign policy on a more solid footing and has managed to unite and empower opposition at home and abroad in ways that would have been hard to imagine a few months ago. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 04 2017 07:01 GreenHorizons wrote: Honestly I'm just wondering if they just reflexively said that without thinking about the idea that they didn't have an example because they pulled it out of their ass or if they said it knowing they were pulling a Trump. obviously bowling green massacre  | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9794 Posts
(I wonder what they're actually talking about) | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(admittedly, he is a Democrat but he still heavily supports charter schools) It's also pretty funny but disheartening to see tons of Senate Republicans saying the equivalent of "wow, look at all these calls we're getting not to support her...but we'll vote for her anyway." | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
A federal judge in Washington state on Friday temporarily blocked enforcement of President Trump’s controversial ban on entry to the United States, and airlines planned to begin allowing passengers from banned countries to board, according to a person familiar with the matter. Following the ruling, government authorities immediately began communicating with airlines and taking steps that would allow travel by those previously barred from doing so, according to a U.S. official. At the same time, though, the White House said in a statement that the Justice Department would “at the earliest possible time” file for an emergency stay of the “outrageous” ruling from the judge. Minutes later, it issued a similar statement omitting the word “outrageous.” “The president’s order is intended to protect the homeland and he has the constitutional authority and responsibility to protect the American people,” the White House said. Source | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
a so-called-judge a true leader with respect for the judicial branch | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 05 2017 00:24 LegalLord wrote: Surprisingly, I don't recall this being mentioned here. Maybe I just missed it? Source Last page? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 05 2017 00:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827867311054974976 a so-called-judge a true leader with respect for the judicial branch Tbh, European populist leaders' main pastime for the last ten years (besides blaming immigrants and the EU for their country's problems) have been discrediting judges and the judiciary system as a whole, so that's nothing new | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 04 2017 16:49 plasmidghost wrote: I've seen Elon Musk getting a lot of flak for meeting with Trump, but I fully support his decisions to do so since I agree with his goals. Even if Trump's a piece of shit, having Musk stop working with the government when they've given so much to his companies is retarded, I don't know why anyone would think that's a good idea. Musk is doing whatever he can to get us to Mars, and the technologies that develop because of it will have immense benefits to humanity (so far, increasingly cheaper electric cars and actually viable solar panels, but plenty of more to come) He's doing what he can to get more money to keep his projects afloat. I think him a scam artist, charming as he may be, but he certainly knows how to spin a beautiful narrative to convince people to give him more money. His transition from "saving the environment" to "made in America" as the primary selling point was seamless like a truly skilled subsidy sponge. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 05 2017 00:34 OtherWorld wrote: Tbh, European populist leaders' main pastime for the last ten years (besides blaming immigrants and the EU for their country's problems) have been discrediting judges and the judiciary system as a whole, so that's nothing new Oh yes Wilders has no love for justice either. Luckily they are not in charge (yet) | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On February 04 2017 23:44 Jockmcplop wrote: + Show Spoiler + (I wonder what they're actually talking about) + Show Spoiler + He's talking about his earlier life where he had his first day working at a restaurant as a kitchen helper. The restaurant was located at the beach and had their opening day of the new season the next day. He had to clean some pans(Paelleras) at the end of the day before the opening by putting them in the sea overnight and getting them out the next morning. When he comes to work the next day he could only find one pan because of the tide even though the restaurant opens in a few hours. That's the whole story. It's not that funny. Everyone is just cracking up because of him | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
The White House is looking into how embarrassing details of President Donald Trump's recent tense phone conversations with his counterparts in Australia and Mexico were leaked to news organizations, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Fox News Channel. "The president takes these leaks very seriously," Spicer said in an interview with Fox News Channel, which on Friday provided a transcript of a segment set to air on Saturday. ... In an earlier call with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto about paying for a wall on the southern U.S. border, Trump said he might send the U.S. military to Mexico to stop drug cartels - details from a transcript obtained by a Mexican news organization Aristegui Noticias and the Associated Press. The White House later said the comments were meant to be lighthearted. Yahoo | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 05 2017 01:02 xDaunt wrote: I suspect that Trump may be right that the Seattle Order is outrageous. The big tip off is that the Order provides no explanation for its rote conclusion that the Plaintiffs' claims are likely to succeed on the merits. There's no citation to any authority describing the scope of the federal government's power as it pertains to immigration, which is quite substantial. Compare the Seattle Order to the Boston Order, which provides a very clear explanation for why the executive order does not overstep legal bounds with very clear citations to applicable laws. But is he right to question whether the judge is truly a judge, or to say the decision essentially abolishes American law encorcement? Here let's test it. I'm gonna go kill someone... Crap! Still got arrested. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 05 2017 02:22 ChristianS wrote: But is he right to question whether the judge is truly a judge, or to say the decision essentially abolishes American law encorcement? Here let's test it. I'm gonna go kill someone... Crap! Still got arrested. why you gotta respond to a decent post with a bad post? needless aggro. xdaunt had a good clear cogent point there. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 05 2017 02:25 LegalLord wrote: I find it rather amusing that a president who was in all likelihood elected by leaks is now getting smacked down hard by leaks. I thought you had a lower estimate for the net effect of the leaks? though i'ts rather hard ot keep track of everyone's estimates. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 05 2017 02:26 zlefin wrote: I thought you had a lower estimate for the net effect of the leaks? though i'ts rather hard ot keep track of everyone's estimates. No, they probably tipped the elections. Mostly on the leftist side though, as it would give people who were reluctantly willing to support Clinton every reason to want to spite her. The margins were too close to think that it probably didn't matter. And regardless of whether it won or not, Trump has tied himself far too closely to the leaks to be potentially absolved of criticism for using them. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 05 2017 02:25 LegalLord wrote: I find it rather amusing that a president who was in all likelihood elected by leaks is now getting smacked down hard by leaks. Trump is going to keep having problems with leaks until he gets his people in place. There are still a ton of Obama people in the Administration. | ||
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