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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 04 2017 06:44 ChristianS wrote: I have no love for Sarah Silverman. That's a fucked up tweet and she shouldn't have said it. Any others? Dunno, I don't keep track of all the fucked up shit people say. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 04 2017 06:28 GreenHorizons wrote: Ignoring "when Islam does terrorism" for the moment, which attacks are you two thinking of? It's just ideology man. There's something going on with Obama and terrorism. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On February 04 2017 06:06 xDaunt wrote: Christ, if we want to talk about inciting violence, how about all of the reckless rhetoric from politicians and the media about Trump? Assassination threats against any person are pretty bad, but nobody is going to get near Trump. Calling for violence against local politicians or civilians is a very different deal simply because they're unprotected. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
I thought the main problem was inconsistency - Trump's ilk will denounce Islamic terrorism but not anti-Muslim terrorism. Anyways the media was reckless with how hard they pandered against Trump... but Trump is also awful in so many ways so it's hard to not agree with denouncing him... but they should've been aware of how much division they would cause? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24138 Posts
On February 04 2017 06:54 Doodsmack wrote: It's just ideology man. There's something going on with Obama and terrorism. Honestly I'm just wondering if they just reflexively said that without thinking about the idea that they didn't have an example because they pulled it out of their ass or if they said it knowing they were pulling a Trump. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On February 04 2017 06:54 LegalLord wrote: Dunno, I don't keep track of all the fucked up shit people say. Pointing at fucked up tweets is a waste of time. There are millions of abhorrent tweets and online posts out there. About Milo: I just wish people realized that ignoring him would greatly diminish his relevancy, because in the end who gives a fuck what he thinks and says to people who already think like him. Let them circle jerk themselves into oblivion for all I care. Not like he will actually convince anyone of what he is saying. Making any kind of racket over him gives him fuel. Ignore him and he dies. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I quite liked christianS point about the ambiguous they. I sometimes think it'd be nice to have a short good posts feed that just takes only the really good and useful posts in this thread and discards the rest. then there'd be a lot less idiocy and vitriol to read through. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I wonder if either of those people are going to lose their jobs or get some very angry phone calls given how adamantly the administration pushed the 109 number. For their sake I hope the media doesn't seize on it so nothing happens to them. Sorry for linking thehill instead of WaPo for the first part, I know they require a sign-in and it's a pain in the ass. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On February 04 2017 07:07 Slaughter wrote: Pointing at fucked up tweets is a waste of time. There are millions of abhorrent tweets and online posts out there. About Milo: I just wish people realized that ignoring him would greatly diminish his relevancy, because in the end who gives a fuck what he thinks and says to people who already think like him. Let them circle jerk themselves into oblivion for all I care. Not like he will actually convince anyone of what he is saying. Making any kind of racket over him gives him fuel. Ignore him and he dies. That would be a good strategy except that he makes it a practice to attack people with his platform. He has publicly outed trans folk before, and rumor had it he was planning to out undocumented students during his talk at Berkeley. Letting him pontificate to others like him isn't as benign a strategy as you would like it to be. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24138 Posts
On February 04 2017 07:11 TheTenthDoc wrote: So two executive officials mentioned in court either 60K or 100K visas were affected by the travel ban (meaning the figure of 90K bandied about earlier was likely dead on the money). I wonder if either of those people are going to lose their jobs or get some very angry phone calls given how adamantly the administration pushed the 109 number. For their sake I hope the media doesn't seize on it so nothing happens to them. Sorry for linking thehill instead of WaPo for the first part, I know they require a sign-in and it's a pain in the ass. Something like this barely makes the radar, because while a large number of "Visas" were effected, probably only a couple hundred tried to fly the same day. I'll be surprised if Trump and his administration could go an entire day without telling bald-faced lies. | ||
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pmh
1416 Posts
wow,i didnt knew this was possible. It seems very unreasonable to me,the bullying itself was not an offense and not prosecuted but when it leads to someone committing suicide you can go to trial for manslaughter. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On February 04 2017 07:10 zlefin wrote: A lot of talk since I was on last night. much drek sadly, but some good points. I quite liked christianS point about the ambiguous they. I sometimes think it'd be nice to have a short good posts feed that just takes only the really good and useful posts in this thread and discards the rest. then there'd be a lot less idiocy and vitriol to read through. Glad you liked it! The concept seems obvious enough it must be a named logical fallacy, but I've never been able to find it on lists of informal fallacies. It'd be nice to have a catchier name. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 04 2017 07:35 ChristianS wrote: Glad you liked it! The concept seems obvious enough it must be a named logical fallacy, but I've never been able to find it on lists of informal fallacies. It'd be nice to have a catchier name. not sure; upon reviewing the fallacy lists, I'd say it's probably most related to, and possibly a subset of, the fallacy of equivocation, except instead of using different meanings of the words, it uses the same meaning of the word, but refers to different groups in each instance. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14157 Posts
The idea of a short single post thread sounds interesting but I think it might inflame the issues people have in the thread as it is. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On February 04 2017 08:36 Saryph wrote: Couldn't dislike Trump more, but you can't do stuff like that Village. It feels like a giant troll that the entire article is "Why NOT to assassinate Trump" but the cover seems like a very tacit encouragement. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 04 2017 08:28 Sermokala wrote: Russian exec named in the buzz feed leaks is now suing buzz feed. Seems like a gawker 2.0 beacuse how can you defend against a slander lawsuit like this? The idea of a short single post thread sounds interesting but I think it might inflame the issues people have in the thread as it is. it'd depend on how good of a job the curator does. the basic principle is that this thread would continue as it is, and then someone would make a curated slimmed down version. I'm sure a bunch of people would complain that it's unfair to one side or the other, people always complain. the question would be whether the readers of the curated thread feel like it's better than what they were reading before. a bit hard to tell of course, since by nature people who read but don't respond are lurkers, so it's hard to measure what they like. on another note, secret service gonna be busy with all the stuff like that they gotta investigate. I wonder if they need a slightly larger budget than normal? or if they always get plenty of such things anyways and it's actually not that different than usual the number of threats they have to investigate. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On February 04 2017 08:37 farvacola wrote: Expect relations with Ireland to sour in the coming days. why? Enda seems to make it pretty clear that he's not going to do anything until St. Patricks Day which isn't for another month. I mean sure the other parties and the populace is pretty mad but I can't see anything happening that would would affect relations that much. At least not immediately. oh nvm. Irish magazine lol. but yeah their not happy with him | ||
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