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{CC}StealthBlue
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On February 02 2017 23:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So when does the GOP start to realize that everything this man does will affect them as well. i dislike this type of rhetoric, because it invites true responses that respond to the substance of the sentence but not the sentiment like the GOP already demonstrably has plenty of members who clearly have qualms with trump and its pretty clear that trump was not the GOP establishment's first choice and that he basically represents a compromise between their vision of the party and the reality of their voter base what are you even referring to here by generalizing the GOP as a single entity | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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it's the worst habit all around in common discourse | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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Or did this already get discussed? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On February 02 2017 23:47 TheTenthDoc wrote: Anyone in this thread think the President should be threatening to withdraw federal funds from a University on twitter because despite being committed to holding an event for an individual they cancelled it for his safety (after legit violence occurred)? probably not, but some probably agree with the sentiment despite the questionable logic of assigning all the blame of what happened to the institution of UC Berkeley itself i mean i dont think any trump supporters here are going to defend his habit of tweeting the way he does prove me wrong, trump supporters well ok maybe theyll defend it with something along the lines of "its not that bad get over it and wait for the actual consequences before crying" | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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On February 02 2017 23:47 TheTenthDoc wrote: Anyone in this thread think the President should be threatening to withdraw federal funds from a University on twitter because despite being committed to holding an event for an individual they cancelled it for his safety (after legit violence occurred)? Or did this already get discussed? Obviously not, but the shit being pulled at campuses looks like a pretty big problem (well, in a relative sense anyway). So as far as shit Trump has said on twitter goes, this one barely makes it into the the inappropriate territory I think? I feel like this is an instance where it might be more productive to try to form a dialogue about what's actually happening at campuses lately (I'm not gonna pretend I'm an expert, but I have read/listened to a decent bit of stuff about it lately and it's worrisome - though I obviously lack any kind of first hand perspective). | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On February 02 2017 23:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I feel like this is an instance where it might be more productive to try to form a dialogue about what's actually happening at campuses lately (I'm not gonna pretend I'm an expert, but I have read/listened to a decent bit of stuff about it lately and it's worrisome - though I obviously lack any kind of first hand perspective). can you elaborate on your definition of productive what perspectives do you envision people seeing walking away here with that are +EV for humanity | ||
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xDaunt
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On February 02 2017 23:47 TheTenthDoc wrote: Anyone in this thread think the President should be threatening to withdraw federal funds from a University on twitter because despite being committed to holding an event for an individual they cancelled it for his safety (after legit violence occurred)? Or did this already get discussed? I guarantee that Bannon had Trump tweet that out. Unlike most conservatives and republicans, Bannon understands how badly that the Right has lost the culture war over the past couple of generations. And no where is the defeat more evident than on American university campuses. The whole point of Milo's tour (which is Breitbart-inspired -- ie Bannon) is to begin to curb Leftist dominance at these institutions. Bannon wants to create a new counter-culture to facilitate that end, and he's going to use the Trump presidency accelerate it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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The US military has launched an investigation into the scale of civilian casualties in a botched special forces raid against a suspected al-Qaida base in Yemen, the first such mission to be approved by Donald Trump, as questions mount over the operation. After initially denying there had been any civilian casualties in Sunday’s raid, US Central Command (Centcom), which is responsible for military operations in the Middle East and central Asia, acknowledged some of the dead may have included women and children, though claimed some of the women were armed. A statement said its assessment “seeks to determine if there were any still-undetected civilian casualties in the ferocious firefight.” The Pentagon has said a US Navy Seal, chief petty officer William Owens, and 14 militants were killed in the raid in al Bayda province. Medics at the scene said about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed. Three US special forces were wounded. The mission was approved over dinner five days after the presidential inauguration by Trump and his closest advisers, including his son-in-law Jared Kushner and his special adviser and former Breitbart executive Stephen Bannon, as well as defence secretary General Jim Mattis. Both the New York Times and Reuters carried quotes from unnamed military officials that seemed to shift blame for the mission to Trump and his inner team. It would be an extraordinary development for a president, who is commander-in-chief, to be briefed against in such detail. The briefings suggested that one thing after another went wrong from the start of the mission, with the Yemen villagers seemingly alerted to the impending raid by drones flying lower than usual. The special forces, apparently lacking full intelligence, were confronted by heavily-fortified positions, including landmines, and faced heavy gunfire from buildings all around during the 50-minute firefight. One of the US planes sent in to help had to be left behind and was deliberately destroyed. US military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations. The mission had been prepared under the Obama administration but it had not been approved. Source | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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On February 03 2017 00:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: can you elaborate on your definition of productive what perspectives do you envision people seeing walking away here with that are +EV for humanity I really don't know, I just don't think that attacking Trump over this tweet makes sense. I guess some kind of acknowledgement from the left that this is a problem and what to do about it? As I said, really don't know and I basically only know enough about the problem to get myself into trouble trying to comment about it haha... | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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this kind of thing is not unique to the trump administration interesting from a literary perspective how the 8 year old daughter of anwar al-awlaki died there though | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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It's also frankly bizarre he didn't do a standard "shame on evil protesters" here because that's pretty much his standard line in these situations, which makes me think he didn't even google the story and just tweeted what Bannon/someone else wanted (which is scarier to me personally). | ||
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Danglars
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On February 02 2017 23:47 TheTenthDoc wrote: Anyone in this thread think the President should be threatening to withdraw federal funds from a University on twitter because despite being committed to holding an event for an individual they cancelled it for his safety (after legit violence occurred)? Or did this already get discussed? Anybody in this thread want to defend threatening to withdraw legit peaceful discourse from a University, despite being committed to holding an event for an individual? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but you seem more upset about a presidential tweet than masked protestors setting a campus on fire. Like oh God he tweeted the same kind of reactionary shit he's been doing for years, but you know ehh torching universities is hardly newsworthy. | ||
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biology]major
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On February 03 2017 00:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I really don't know, I just don't think that attacking Trump over this tweet makes sense. I guess some kind of acknowledgement from the left that this is a problem and what to do about it? As I said, really don't know and I basically only know enough about the problem to get myself into trouble trying to comment about it haha... i think xdaunt just framed the move in a decent way: it's definitely a move rooted in the conception of a culture war on college campuses the left's reaction against it here won't constitute anything unique or particularly noteworthy imo i guess what's interesting is how it'll influence people who are still developing their political views hard to predict though | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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But the way it's written it seems he believes the University decided to cancel for no reason or even for peaceful protests and thus must be punished, when until things got insane they were going to have the talk. Which to me means he's probably being fed tweets or total misinfo which is gross. I'm not sure how threatening them will make them any more likely to be able to mind-control their students into obedience anyway. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On February 03 2017 00:13 Danglars wrote: Anybody in this thread want to defend threatening to withdraw legit peaceful discourse from a University, despite being committed to holding an event for an individual? it already became a non-peaceful situation which is the fault of the protestors but i'm not going to blame the school's administration for trying to put out a fire i guess its interesting in that this thread has already shown trump supporters' propensity for blaming the school administration in particular 'interesting' like xdaunt said, it's a culture war thing On February 03 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote: I guarantee that Bannon had Trump tweet that out. Unlike most conservatives and republicans, Bannon understands how badly that the Right has lost the culture war over the past couple of generations. And no where is the defeat more evident than on American university campuses. The whole point of Milo's tour (which is Breitbart-inspired -- ie Bannon) is to begin to curb Leftist dominance at these institutions. Bannon wants to create a new counter-culture to facilitate that end, and he's going to use the Trump presidency accelerate it. people should be framing the discussion similarly to this if anything imo | ||
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Mohdoo
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bardtown
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oneofthem
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