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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On February 02 2017 19:48 Acrofales wrote: Was it satirical? It sounds like it was; presumably with the implication that his left-wing professors were Stalinists or so? If so, who cares? Young kids does something silly with 0 real consequences. More news at 11. In fact, the more I read about this guy, the more I like him. I disagree with him ideologically, but he sounds like an honest and intelligent man who is willing to fight for his principles. I'm increasingly surprised Trump nominated him. It's annoying (and damaging, I think) to treat every piece of news like this with the same magnitude of noise and outrage. I doubt there's any solution to this, but I wish people would temper the frequency and strength of their messaging in proportion to the severity of the thing being spoken about. Something that someone did as a man-child is not deserving of the same sort of hue and cry as discoveries of more recent information, or actions with immediate consequences. | ||
farvacola
United States18819 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 02 2017 20:43 mikedebo wrote: It's annoying (and damaging, I think) to treat every piece of news like this with the same magnitude of noise and outrage. I doubt there's any solution to this, but I wish people would temper the frequency and strength of their messaging in proportion to the severity of the thing being spoken about. Something that someone did as a man-child is not deserving of the same sort of hue and cry as discoveries of more recent information, or actions with immediate consequences. This message is far too late right now. In a way it's what xDaunt was talking about: the media cried wolf for far too long and now they lost credibility and won't be taken seriously when something is actually genuinely that bad. | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
U.S. President Donald Trump labeled a refugee swap deal with Australia "dumb" on Thursday after a Washington Post report of an acrimonious telephone call with Australia's prime minister threatened a rare rift in ties between the two staunch allies. The Post reported that Trump described the resettlement plan as "the worst deal ever" and accused Australia of trying to export the "next Boston bombers". It said the call had been scheduled to last an hour but Trump cut it short after 25 minutes when Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull tried to turn to subjects such as Syria. Turnbull told reporters the call with Trump at the weekend had been frank and candid but refused to give further details. "I do stand up for Australia. My job is to defend Australian interests," Turnbull said in Melbourne. Turnbull refused to confirm the Post report that Trump, who had earlier spoken to world leaders including Russian President Vladimir Putin and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, had angrily told him that the call was "the worst so far". [...] source: www.reuters.com not really a big thing either but fairly comical for me. I didn't expect anything else from the man | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7811 Posts
On February 02 2017 19:37 LegalLord wrote: If I were a party interested in spreading chaos I would take to the Twitterverse and make thousands of "rogue" accounts and peddle conspiracy theories disguised as leaks. I couldn't possibly be the only one to have this idea. You haven't been following. That's called the alt right and that's basically how your current president has been elected. | ||
mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On February 02 2017 20:57 LegalLord wrote: This message is far too late right now. In a way it's what xDaunt was talking about: the media cried wolf for far too long and now they lost credibility and won't be taken seriously when something is actually genuinely that bad. It's not the media I'm talking about. So many of us are constantly retweeting and posting on social media about this stuff about how 'outraged' we are, and just shouting into the ether. If this stuff bothers us, we could be doing something of substance instead -- there are so many actions that are more productive than just yelling into a textbox! | ||
mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
This article talks about how social media "big data" (lol) companies can be used to increase campaigning efficiency. The tone of the writing is doomsday for no reason (obviously this model could be replicated by pretty much any interested party if the research is in the public domain, and probably relatively simply even if it was kept "secret") but it's neat to think about how this kind of technology will contribute to campaigning in the future. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 02 2017 21:17 mikedebo wrote: It's not the media I'm talking about. So many of us are constantly retweeting and posting on social media about this stuff about how 'outraged' we are, and just shouting into the ether. If this stuff bothers us, we could be doing something of substance instead -- there are so many actions that are more productive than just yelling into a textbox! A lot of people here, among other places, are often just echoing media sentiment. Hell, some talk about "opinion makers" who invent their opinion for them to spread to the far corners of the omniverse. The opposition is quite fractured in that it has no semblance of unity. They don't want Trump but it's hard to get at what they do want. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7811 Posts
On February 02 2017 21:39 LegalLord wrote: A lot of people here, among other places, are often just echoing media sentiment. Hell, some talk about "opinion makers" who invent their opinion for them to spread to the far corners of the omniverse. The opposition is quite fractured in that it has no semblance of unity. They don't want Trump but it's hard to get at what they do want. Decency and people with some sense of compassion in power are a good place to start. Being united against something as opposed to for something is half of what politics is about. It's not enough in itself, but it's half. Transpose into more extreme circumstances and you see your criticism makes no sense. You can't say that the opposition in Poland in the 80's was vain because it was a huge coalition with very different views whose only common point and only common agenda was to oppose the communist system. And that's just one example. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On February 02 2017 21:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: Decency and people with some sense of compassion in power are a good place to start. Being united against something as opposed to for something is half of what politics is about. It's not enough in itself, but it's half. Transpose into more extreme circumstances and you see your criticism makes no sense. You can't say that the opposition in Poland in the 80's was vain because it was a huge coalition with very different views whose only common point and only common agenda was to oppose the communist system. And that's just one example. I could give you a dozen examples off the top of my head where an opposition failed because it had no plan for the future and enough internal strife that it wasn't going to work out. Hell, there are even a few such examples for Poland if that is your country of choice. But I suppose the most obvious one would be Syria, where Assad would not have been able to regain the upper hand if not for the fact that the dozens of splintered rebel factions hate each other just as much as they hated Assad. And that is basically what the Trump opposition looks like right now. | ||
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 02 2017 20:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827112633224544256 Bannon and Milo with the presidential bullhorn behind them. It will be a fun year! | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
what a boss tbh meanwhie trumps been going hard on twitter ![]() | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On February 02 2017 23:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: All nations leaders threaten invasion to lighten the mood... https://twitter.com/AP/status/827150802766675968 It's been 2 years of trump saying bombastic things to test the waters and re negotiating from there. Why is every little out of the norm behavior still a surprise? | ||
LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
On February 02 2017 23:19 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4182852/Trump-s-SCOTUS-pick-founded-club-called-Fascism-Forever.html what a boss tbh Shocking if true, but isn't the Daily Mail some sensationalist tabloid? | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On February 02 2017 23:30 biology]major wrote: It's been 2 years of trump saying bombastic things to test the waters and re negotiating from there. Why is every little out of the norm behavior still a surprise? Because threatening military action is not a game You can't be serious that stuff like this is a good negotiation tactic in any way. He literally screwed the relationship with Mexico in two weeks and for what exactly? | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On February 02 2017 23:31 LightSpectra wrote: Shocking if true, but isn't the Daily Mail some sensationalist tabloid? i disagree with both your logic (of applying what is essentially ad hominem to sources w.r.t individual articles) and with your statement of "shocking if true" i literally had a roommate in college who was a good guy who wouldn't have surprised me if he told me he made a tongue-in-cheek "fascism forever" club in his old-boys prep school | ||
LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
On February 02 2017 23:35 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: i disagree with both your logic (of applying what is essentially ad hominem to sources w.r.t individual articles) and with your statement of "shocking if true" i literally had a roommate in college who was a good guy who wouldn't have surprised me if he told me he made a tongue-in-cheek "fascism forever" in his old-boys prep school I mean it would be shocking if a guy that was a widely-respected federal judge turned out to be a fascist. Unless I'm confusing the Daily Mail with something else though, I think I'm gonna go ahead and be skeptical of it until a more respectable source confirms it. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
its not claiming he's a full-stop fascist did you not read it i don't think it's misleading at all, especially if you have cultural context for these kinds of things i don't think it's particularly damning either, outside of people (like you apparently) who think the label fascist means the same thing in all contexts | ||
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