In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!
NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer exploited the attack to justify President Trump’s ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the President is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security,” Spicer said at this afternoon’s briefing when speaking of the Quebec City attack.
But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed el Khadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.
The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer exploited the attack to justify President Trump’s ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the President is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security,” Spicer said at this afternoon’s briefing when speaking of the Quebec City attack.
But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed el Khadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.
The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).
Sooo... About those mass murdering young white men...
What the actual fuck?
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. So when he went up on stage, it was already known that the principal suspect was a white French Canadian, right? Because this just happened, and I knew this from the TL Canada thread about an hour ago?
But even if we allow for Sean Spicer to not know that the Moroccan had been called "probably just an innocent bystander", the guy was a Moroccan. Lets go over Trump's 7 countries again? Nope. Morocco is still not on there. So wtf?
And not only that, but he took advantage of a tragic mass shooting to gloat about his "proactive security policy".
well this is the second time they've gotten it wrong. See tweet calling zurich shooting Islamic terrorism. I can't wait til theres an international crises.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer exploited the attack to justify President Trump’s ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the President is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security,” Spicer said at this afternoon’s briefing when speaking of the Quebec City attack.
But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed el Khadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.
The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).
Sooo... About those mass murdering young white men...
What the actual fuck?
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. So when he went up on stage, it was already known that the principal suspect was a white French Canadian, right? Because this just happened, and I knew this from the TL Canada thread about an hour ago?
But even if we allow for Sean Spicer to not know that the Moroccan had been called "probably just an innocent bystander", the guy was a Moroccan. Lets go over Trump's 7 countries again? Nope. Morocco is still not on there. So wtf?
And not only that, but he took advantage of a tragic mass shooting to gloat about his "proactive security policy".
He also printed out Tweets:
It's not even original material! Bernie already did it in a much more comical way.
On January 31 2017 04:16 farvacola wrote: oneofthem continually reifies problematic characterizations of competing leftist attitudes towards the economy and I can't quite figure out why. There is more than enough common ground among self-proclaimed socialists and those of a more Clintonian bent.
My personal view is that we should really just go down the Bernie path. Clinton folks will vote for Bernie folks but Bernie folks won't vote for Clinton folks.
None of these discussions as to which is better or worse matter when you lose elections anyway.
the key is really developing a powerful labor based political movement. but i also think the end result that is desired is a settled peace between capitalists and labor, rather than the kind of disruption offered by bernie or trump.
the organizing group of the american right, billionaire political activists, adopt this strategy of total destruction against labor/the left because there is no legitimate threats to them. at the end of the day, labor and the left isn't organized and effective enough.
this is also why leftist extremists whose own political vision isn't sustainable or acceptable for a winning coalition are a danger to this sort of a project. especially when they attack their allies.
as far as 'clinton folks will vote for bernie', that is only true this cycle because trump is on the other side. if there isn't a socially repugnant guy on the other side, but instead you have a guy like romney, then a bernie style candidate would not be that strong.
No,no time for peace. The difference between the rich and poor is at pre ww2 levels,off course the elite would like to make peace and draw the line here. But the current levels of inequality are not sustainable in a democracy,the disturbance of a Bernie like figure is needed to turn around the trend of growing inequality. Inequality is at the root of this all and as long as people don't see or accept that nothing will chance,the public will remain unhappy with the status quo and express those feelings during elections with their votes.
It is incredible what has happened since the financial crisis,and it is only because 99% of the people don't see and understand it that there has not been a true revolution yet.
On January 31 2017 04:16 farvacola wrote: oneofthem continually reifies problematic characterizations of competing leftist attitudes towards the economy and I can't quite figure out why. There is more than enough common ground among self-proclaimed socialists and those of a more Clintonian bent.
My personal view is that we should really just go down the Bernie path. Clinton folks will vote for Bernie folks but Bernie folks won't vote for Clinton folks.
None of these discussions as to which is better or worse matter when you lose elections anyway.
the key is really developing a powerful labor based political movement. but i also think the end result that is desired is a settled peace between capitalists and labor, rather than the kind of disruption offered by bernie or trump.
the organizing group of the american right, billionaire political activists, adopt this strategy of total destruction against labor/the left because there is no legitimate threats to them. at the end of the day, labor and the left isn't organized and effective enough.
this is also why leftist extremists whose own political vision isn't sustainable or acceptable for a winning coalition are a danger to this sort of a project. especially when they attack their allies.
as far as 'clinton folks will vote for bernie', that is only true this cycle because trump is on the other side. if there isn't a socially repugnant guy on the other side, but instead you have a guy like romney, then a bernie style candidate would not be that strong.
No,no time for peace. The difference between the rich and poor is at pre ww2 levels,off course the elite would like to make peace and draw the line here. But the current levels of inequality are not sustainable in a democracy,the disturbance of a Bernie like figure is needed to turn around the trend of growing inequality.
Inequality is at the root of this all and as long as people don't see or accept that nothing will chance,the public will remain unhappy with the status quo and express those feelings in elections.
intergenerational inequality is one of the central issues for the center-left. it's at the center of everything from tax to housing to education to healthcare policy.
you can see how important this issue is by looking at the number of items that address big drivers of inequality on sites like equitablegrowth.org and hillary's policy site.
as far as effectiveness, hillary's policies would primarily affect the very low end. in terms of narrowing the gap between the super-rich and the average american, it would not help. there's a lot of positional and network effects driving concentration. the basic rule is that, the biggest fish gets bigger faster. it's partly the result of politically deployed barriers like IP, but most often inequality in the age of globalization is the result of the power laws of growth where positional advantage is important. see e.g. http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~xgabaix/papers/pl-jep.pdf
the policy implication is that we can raise tax rate high on firms that enjoy a lot of positional or otherwise advantages. this would help quite a lot, but the problem is that firms would just move. so the tax issue is about international cooperation and institutions.
“I don’t think you have to look any farther than the families of the Boston Marathon, in Atlanta, in San Bernardino, to ask if we can go further,” Spicer said.
None of the perpetrators of those terror attacks would have been affected by the executive order Trump signed on Friday.
(The suspect is believed to be a French Canadian Student who is possibly a white nationalist).
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Sean Spicer? Forgetting even the politics of things how can anyone be this bad at their job at such a high level?
Trump tells Spicer specifically what to do - Spicer is doing his job exactly as his boss wants it lol.
Is this confirmed and still happening? Pretty sure that defying the judicial branch is a really bad sign. And even inventing legal arguments to try to justify it (i.e. they're not being "detained" and are not on US soil because there in international arrivals areas of airports).
Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents defied the orders of federal judges regarding Donald Trump’s travel bans on Sunday, according to members of Congress and attorneys who rallied protests around the country in support of detained refugees and travellers from seven Muslim-majority countries.
On Sunday afternoon, four Democratic members of the House of Representatives arrived at Dulles airport in Virginia on word that people had been detained and denied access to lawyers.
"We have a constitutional crisis today,” representative Don Beyer wrote on Twitter. “Four members of Congress asked CBP officials to enforce a federal court order and were turned away.”
Representative Jamie Raskin, also at the airport, tweeted that the federal agency had given “no answers yet” about whether agents were ignoring the courts. Raskin joined several other attorneys there, including Damon Silvers, special counsel at AFL-CIO, one of the groups trying to help visa holders.
“As far as I know no attorney has been allowed to see any arriving passenger subject to Trumps exec order at Dulles today,” Silvers tweeted on Sunday evening. “CBP appears to be saying people in their custody not ‘detained’ technically & Dulles international arrivals areas not in the United States.”
On January 31 2017 07:41 Doodsmack wrote: Is this confirmed and still happening? Pretty sure that defying the judicial branch is a really bad sign. And even inventing legal arguments to try to justify it (i.e. they're not being "detained" and are not on US soil because there in international arrivals areas of airports).
Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents defied the orders of federal judges regarding Donald Trump’s travel bans on Sunday, according to members of Congress and attorneys who rallied protests around the country in support of detained refugees and travellers from seven Muslim-majority countries.
On Sunday afternoon, four Democratic members of the House of Representatives arrived at Dulles airport in Virginia on word that people had been detained and denied access to lawyers.
"We have a constitutional crisis today,” representative Don Beyer wrote on Twitter. “Four members of Congress asked CBP officials to enforce a federal court order and were turned away.”
Representative Jamie Raskin, also at the airport, tweeted that the federal agency had given “no answers yet” about whether agents were ignoring the courts. Raskin joined several other attorneys there, including Damon Silvers, special counsel at AFL-CIO, one of the groups trying to help visa holders.
“As far as I know no attorney has been allowed to see any arriving passenger subject to Trumps exec order at Dulles today,” Silvers tweeted on Sunday evening. “CBP appears to be saying people in their custody not ‘detained’ technically & Dulles international arrivals areas not in the United States.”
Yep, its a bad sign since I assume this doesn't happen without orders from on high. Unfortunately the process of multiple warning for Contempt of Court > Arrest take time.
So this Stephen Bannon guy believes people must form a church militant. Oh and he's also on the highest security council of the US right now while the intelligence and military leaders are not.
I found this interesting read about the actions of last week being the administration testing the waters of how far they can go in grabbing uncontested power. It's far out there, but quite well sourced and with how fast changes are being made already it doesn't feel like it's 100% conspiracy bs either anymore to be honest.
I mean if this is really how the state department looks right now then wow. Blue crosses are unfilled positions, red are purged positions. There's not much left.
Part of the problem is that the Democrats said they want to hold up confirmations for Trump nominees as long as possible. Besides Trump being Trump we also have something of a pseudo government shutdown right now.
White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer exploited the attack to justify President Trump’s ban on immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries. “It’s a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the President is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security,” Spicer said at this afternoon’s briefing when speaking of the Quebec City attack.
But these assertions are utterly false. The suspect is neither Moroccan nor Muslim. The Moroccan individual, Mohamed el Khadir, was actually one of the worshippers at the mosque and called 911 to summon the police, and played no role whatsoever in the shooting.
The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).
On January 31 2017 08:01 LegalLord wrote: Part of the problem is that the Democrats said they want to hold up confirmations for Trump nominees as long as possible. Besides Trump being Trump we also have something of a pseudo government shutdown right now.
Not quite. Lot's of Democrats have approved of several nominees (and some are rightfully catching static for it from the left). What the delays were about was the nominees not filling out their paperwork (or doing so incompletely) and then expecting senate Dems to just waive them on through. Only a total moron would have expected that to happen.
On January 31 2017 08:01 LegalLord wrote: Part of the problem is that the Democrats said they want to hold up confirmations for Trump nominees as long as possible. Besides Trump being Trump we also have something of a pseudo government shutdown right now.
Not quite. Lot's of Democrats have approved of several nominees (and some are rightfully catching static for it from the left). What the delays were about was the nominees not filling out their paperwork (or doing so incompletely) and then expecting senate Dems to just waive them on through. Only a total moron would have expected that to happen.
Have come up multiple times within the past few weeks. I see delay tactics at play.
Whether or not they should be doing that is a different story but I see a lot of deliberate delays on cabinet voting. I expect a few months of interim limbo.
“I don’t think you have to look any farther than the families of the Boston Marathon, in Atlanta, in San Bernardino, to ask if we can go further,” Spicer said.
None of the perpetrators of those terror attacks would have been affected by the executive order Trump signed on Friday.
(The suspect is believed to be a French Canadian Student who is possibly a white nationalist).
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Sean Spicer? Forgetting even the politics of things how can anyone be this bad at their job at such a high level?
I have a feeling he's just doing his best impersonation of Mike McLintock.
EPT
![[image loading]](https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/600/1*8IDunC3Egvsw1Lr9_o6yxA.png)
