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On November 22 2016 19:32 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:23 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2016 19:10 zeo wrote:On November 22 2016 16:14 Leporello wrote:
The idea that CNN is the problem with the media is fucking absurd. Did Trump ever say what CNN so egregiously lied about that warrants singling them out?
You can't be serious? CNN hit rock bottom this election cycle. Planting members of their audience, telling them what questions to ask, how to answer questions the hosts ask them, rigging their own polls. Not to mention giving presidential debate questions to the Clinton camp before the 2nd debate. They lost whatever little credibility they had, its laughable they are even being invited to anything to do with politics. edit: Fox News was anti-Trump for most of the election cycle, because they hate the Democrats more it turned them into the most balanced news organization this election cycle (as incredible as that sounds). There were Fox shows that shat on Trump all the time. So its kind of ironic how low everything has fallen that Fox would become the most balanced news source. You seem to think that because there are shows that shat on Trump, and shows that praised him, Fox is good media. No. It's still trash. It was just trash that didn't uniformly pick a side. And it really isn't the president's job too invite the msm to a meeting and then shit all over them. We can definitely have the discussion over how the media should be reformed, especially in order to deal with the newfound revelling in truthiness. But what this meeting was, was Trump just going "neener neener" at them like he's some 8-yo whose mum agreed with him over his brother. It is foolish and childish, and while it doesn't mean the end of the free press, it should certainly not make xdaunt and you that happy that your president elect throws temper tantrums like a spoilt brat. Press in the US is free to lie till their fingers start bleeding and their tongues fall out, but Trump has the right to tell them all to fuck off. There are serious news organizations that didn't take sides or didn't take money from political donors this election cycle and they will be welcomed with open arms in the White House. Tabloid filth and corrupt media arms of political parties have no place there.
And in your world were it's ok for the president to attack the press if he doesn't like it, who is suppose to point out that he lies all the fucking time?
It's a serious question.
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You do know if Clinton won the open boarders policy would mean a Republican will never win another election again right? And when i say this im implying the united states would become a full blown socialist nightmare. Immigrants would leech so much off the system and wages would be so low due to comparable wages there would never be a middle class again. The american dream would be dead and we would be china 2.0 Even after Trumps victory Obama still wont let it go and is constantly trying to destroy this county.
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-admin-risk/
Canceling boarder surveillance even though it has a year to go. Thanks for nothing obama.
Now im going to further disagree with you on "Voter Suppression" laws which are not intended to suppress minorities they are meant to prevent loopholes which cause voter fraud. Having stricter laws does just this and the people in power supply the narrative to make you believe otherwise. Its simple, follow the rules of your state, get an ID to be safe and make sure you are registered to vote by going online, hell any public library can supply you this information which everyone has access to. Now if you wanted to advocate for more polling stations i could agree with that but really its up to the individual to make sure they have enough time to vote.
Anywho harping about stricter laws is peanuts compared to what leftists are doing to try to sabotage the system.
https://heatst.com/politics/electoral-college-members-now-receiving-death-threats-from-clinton-supporters/
Trump won, the good guy won and we'll have to take you on the ride kicking and screaming if thats what it takes.
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On November 22 2016 19:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:32 zeo wrote:On November 22 2016 19:23 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2016 19:10 zeo wrote:On November 22 2016 16:14 Leporello wrote:
The idea that CNN is the problem with the media is fucking absurd. Did Trump ever say what CNN so egregiously lied about that warrants singling them out?
You can't be serious? CNN hit rock bottom this election cycle. Planting members of their audience, telling them what questions to ask, how to answer questions the hosts ask them, rigging their own polls. Not to mention giving presidential debate questions to the Clinton camp before the 2nd debate. They lost whatever little credibility they had, its laughable they are even being invited to anything to do with politics. edit: Fox News was anti-Trump for most of the election cycle, because they hate the Democrats more it turned them into the most balanced news organization this election cycle (as incredible as that sounds). There were Fox shows that shat on Trump all the time. So its kind of ironic how low everything has fallen that Fox would become the most balanced news source. You seem to think that because there are shows that shat on Trump, and shows that praised him, Fox is good media. No. It's still trash. It was just trash that didn't uniformly pick a side. And it really isn't the president's job too invite the msm to a meeting and then shit all over them. We can definitely have the discussion over how the media should be reformed, especially in order to deal with the newfound revelling in truthiness. But what this meeting was, was Trump just going "neener neener" at them like he's some 8-yo whose mum agreed with him over his brother. It is foolish and childish, and while it doesn't mean the end of the free press, it should certainly not make xdaunt and you that happy that your president elect throws temper tantrums like a spoilt brat. Press in the US is free to lie till their fingers start bleeding and their tongues fall out, but Trump has the right to tell them all to fuck off. There are serious news organizations that didn't take sides or didn't take money from political donors this election cycle and they will be welcomed with open arms in the White House. Tabloid filth and corrupt media arms of political parties have no place there. And in your world were it's ok for the president to attack the press if he doesn't like it, who is suppose to point out that he lies all the fucking time? It's a serious question.
The press have been painting him as Hitler for a year and a half now, some are even inciting riots. The President should be able to stand up to bullies on behalf of the people. The people of America voted him in and an attack on him is an attack on the US itself (edit: or should I say, the interests of America).
As Obama would often say: 'You are on the wrong side of history now'
edit: acting like children that didn't get the toy they wanted is doing no one any favors.
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On November 22 2016 19:44 Noidberg wrote:You do know if Clinton won the open boarders policy would mean a Republican will never win another election again right? And when i say this im implying the united states would become a full blown socialist nightmare. Immigrants would leech so much off the system and wages would be so low due to comparable wages there would never be a middle class again. The american dream would be dead and we would be china 2.0 Even after Trumps victory Obama still wont let it go and is constantly trying to destroy this county. http://conservativetribune.com/obama-admin-risk/Canceling boarder surveillance even though it has a year to go. Thanks for nothing obama.
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to reply to your rant except point out it's nonsense and non-factual.
On November 22 2016 19:44 Noidberg wrote:
Now im going to further disagree with you on "Voter Suppression" laws which are not intended to suppress minorities they are meant to prevent loopholes which cause voter fraud. Having stricter laws does just this and the people in power supply the narrative to make you believe otherwise. Its simple, follow the rules of your state, get an ID to be safe and make sure you are registered to vote by going online, hell any public library can supply you this information which everyone has access to. Now if you wanted to advocate for more polling stations i could agree with that but really its up to the individual to make sure they have enough time to vote.
It doesn't matter if you disagree with me -- you'll simply be wrong, because the facts are there whether or not you agree with them. I just directed you to studies directly proving the claims of the GOP with regards to the kind of voter fraud that voter id laws are supposed to prevent are utterly rubbish, and the reason the GOP is pushing that voter fraud narrative is clearly evident from whom their voter id laws most impact, how they're designed (again, see the links I provided and the ruling of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit on the NC voter id law), and from Republicans' own statements on the matter.
Clearly though, you have no interest in objectively analyzing the facts of the matter, only in pushing your narrative.
Funnily enough, the EC system was in part designed precisely to avoid the kind of incompetent moron that Trump is from acceding to the presidency. I don't support efforts to have EC voters not follow the results of their states, though. Yet those phone calls, which won't have any actual effect, are nothing compared to the widespread disenfranchisement of voters that is the result of GOP efforts to make it as hard as possible for minorities to vote in certain states.
On November 22 2016 19:44 Noidberg wrote:
Trump won, the good guy won and we'll have to take you on the ride kicking and screaming if thats what it takes.
In which reality does Trump winning an election make you correct on voter id laws? Can you explain the logical connection you're attempting to build here?
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On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to reply to your rant except point out it's nonsense and non-factual.
Its a fact illegals receive government funding at the expense of the tax payer. If you fail to acknowledge how this is a problem with open boarders, TPP all working to destroy the middle class well you arent looking at the bigger picture.
On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Clearly though, you have no interest in objectively analyzing the facts of the matter, only in pushing your narrative.
Not true i simply have no faith in the current appointees to do so. We can just let this discussion die until trumps new policies are released if you want to harp about those.
On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Funnily enough, the EC system was in part designed precisely to avoid the kind of incompetent moron that Trump is from acceding to the presidency. I don't support efforts to have EC voters not follow the results of their states, though. Yet those phone calls, which won't have any actual effect, are nothing compared to the widespread disenfranchisement of voters that are the result of GOP efforts to make it as hard as possible for minorities to vote in certain states.
Actually the EC is the reason trump was elected in the first place -_- Without the EC we would have the rule of the popular vote which is mostly consolidated in left leaning major cities such as NY or LA. Well its true the threats are just that but still i find it very undemocratic and troubling this is going on.
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On November 22 2016 14:42 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 14:04 xDaunt wrote:On November 22 2016 13:12 Nyxisto wrote:On November 22 2016 11:22 xDaunt wrote:*FAP* *FAP* *FAP* Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.
“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.
“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.
A second source confirmed the fireworks.
“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.
“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.
“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”
The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.
“[CBS Good Morning co-host Gayle] King did not stand up, but asked some question, ‘How do you propose we the media work with you?’ Chuck Todd asked some pretty pointed questions. David Muir asked ‘How are you going to cope living in DC while your family is in NYC? It was a horrible meeting.”
Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway told reporters the gathering went well.
“Excellent meetings with the top executives of the major networks,” she said during a gaggle in the lobby of Trump Tower. “Pretty unprecedented meeting we put together in two days.”
The meeting was off the record, meaning the participants agreed not to talk about the substance of the conversations.
The hour-long session included top execs from network and cable news channels. Among the attendees were NBC’s Deborah Turness, Lester Holt and Chuck Todd, ABC’s James Goldston, George Stephanopoulos, David Muir and Martha Raddatz,
Also, CBS’ Norah O’Donnell John Dickerson, Charlie Rose, Christopher Isham and King, Fox News’ Bill Shine, Jack Abernethy, Jay Wallace, Suzanne Scott, MSNBC’s Phil Griffin and CNN’s Jeff Zucker and Erin Burnett.
Arthur Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times, plans to meet with Trump Tuesday.
There was no immediate comment from the Trump Team. Source. Do you want Duterte as a leader? How can you honestly think this behaviour is democratic? It is democratic. Trump was elected by people whom the press have held in contempt for years. He is merely doing what we have wished that our political leaders would have done for decades: fighting back against those condescending, contemptuous assholes who constitute the press establishment. free press
"Free press". Nice joke
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On November 22 2016 20:23 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to reply to your rant except point out it's nonsense and non-factual. Its a fact illegals receive government funding at the expense of the tax payer. If you fail to acknowledge how this is a problem with open boarders, TPP all working to destroy the middle class well you arent looking at the bigger picture.
Your "facts" are all over the place and you're completely deflecting from the actual point that was being discussed, namely voter id laws.
On November 22 2016 20:23 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Clearly though, you have no interest in objectively analyzing the facts of the matter, only in pushing your narrative. Not true i simply have no faith in the current appointees to do so. We can just let this discussion die until trumps new policies are released if you want to harp about those.
I'll happily discuss any new proposals of the Trump administration with regards to voter registration and voter id laws, but that doesn't change the validity of the arguments and evidence I presented you with with respect to the voter id laws that have already been pushed by the GOP in various states.
On November 22 2016 20:23 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Funnily enough, the EC system was in part designed precisely to avoid the kind of incompetent moron that Trump is from acceding to the presidency. I don't support efforts to have EC voters not follow the results of their states, though. Yet those phone calls, which won't have any actual effect, are nothing compared to the widespread disenfranchisement of voters that are the result of GOP efforts to make it as hard as possible for minorities to vote in certain states. Actually the EC is the reason trump was elected in the first place -_- Without the EC we would have the rule of the popular vote which is mostly consolidated in left leaning major cities such as NY or LA. Well its true the threats are just that but still i find it very undemocratic and troubling this is going on.
...I obviously know that Trump won the electoral college. I was referring to the fact that the electoral college was in part originally designed to prevent incompetent figures from acceding to the presidency. See for example Hamilton's Federalist 68, in which he describes the EC electors as "men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station" of president.
In any case, I don't support overturning the EC for this election, but the EC is very problematic given it is clearly unfair to voters whose votes don't count as much as others'.
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On November 22 2016 20:23 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to reply to your rant except point out it's nonsense and non-factual. Its a fact illegals receive government funding at the expense of the tax payer. If you fail to acknowledge how this is a problem with open boarders, TPP all working to destroy the middle class well you arent looking at the bigger picture.
No one was campaigning for an open borders policy (without an a, with an a you are talking about pirates), I have no idea what you are talking about. Illegals don't receive government funding at the expense of the tax payer, where would you get that idea? You should fact check your assumptions before leaping to conclusions. Just because you feel that something is the case does not make it true, no matter what the republicans taught you.
Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Clearly though, you have no interest in objectively analyzing the facts of the matter, only in pushing your narrative. Not true i simply have no faith in the current appointees to do so. We can just let this discussion die until trumps new policies are released if you want to harp about those. Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:57 kwizach wrote:
Funnily enough, the EC system was in part designed precisely to avoid the kind of incompetent moron that Trump is from acceding to the presidency. I don't support efforts to have EC voters not follow the results of their states, though. Yet those phone calls, which won't have any actual effect, are nothing compared to the widespread disenfranchisement of voters that are the result of GOP efforts to make it as hard as possible for minorities to vote in certain states. Actually the EC is the reason trump was elected in the first place -_- Without the EC we would have the rule of the popular vote which is mostly consolidated in left leaning major cities such as NY or LA. Well its true the threats are just that but still i find it very undemocratic and troubling this is going on.
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me.
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On November 22 2016 19:44 Noidberg wrote:You do know if Clinton won the open boarders policy would mean a Republican will never win another election again right? And when i say this im implying the united states would become a full blown socialist nightmare. Immigrants would leech so much off the system and wages would be so low due to comparable wages there would never be a middle class again. The american dream would be dead and we would be china 2.0 Even after Trumps victory Obama still wont let it go and is constantly trying to destroy this county. http://conservativetribune.com/obama-admin-risk/Canceling boarder surveillance even though it has a year to go. Thanks for nothing obama. Now im going to further disagree with you on "Voter Suppression" laws which are not intended to suppress minorities they are meant to prevent loopholes which cause voter fraud. Having stricter laws does just this and the people in power supply the narrative to make you believe otherwise. Its simple, follow the rules of your state, get an ID to be safe and make sure you are registered to vote by going online, hell any public library can supply you this information which everyone has access to. Now if you wanted to advocate for more polling stations i could agree with that but really its up to the individual to make sure they have enough time to vote. Anywho harping about stricter laws is peanuts compared to what leftists are doing to try to sabotage the system. https://heatst.com/politics/electoral-college-members-now-receiving-death-threats-from-clinton-supporters/Trump won, the good guy won and we'll have to take you on the ride kicking and screaming if thats what it takes.
Yes... that is exactly what the left is doing, and not what some idiot(s) is(are) doing. But I'm glad you're at least consistent. If it's "muslims" who are terrorists, and "the left" who are issuing death threats to EC members, then by extension, "the right" is a bunch of neo-nazis in favour of a new holocaust. Or is this bunch of people not representative of your views, just as little as those random news articles you posted representative of mine?
Signed, "the left"
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On November 22 2016 20:53 Acrofales wrote:Yes... that is exactly what the left is doing, and not what some idiot(s) is(are) doing. But I'm glad you're at least consistent. If it's "muslims" who are terrorists, and "the left" who are issuing death threats to EC members, then by extension, "the right" is a bunch of neo-nazis in favour of a new holocaust. Or is this bunch of people not representative of your views, just as little as those random news articles you posted representative of mine? Signed, "the left"
Touche lol
But you do realize that this election wasnt just political theater right? Conspiracy's OoooOOoo As a simple citizen all i can do is cast my vote and speculate and to me i think i made the right decision for this country.
On November 22 2016 20:48 Simberto wrote:
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me.
United states is basically a collective of small countries. That being said if the popular vote decided what was best for the USA rural states would not be able to voice in their best interest. This is also why we have 4 year term limits so the pie can be readily re-distributed as perceptions and needs change.
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On November 22 2016 21:13 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 20:48 Simberto wrote:
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me. United states is basically a collective of small countries. That being said if the popular vote decided what was best for the USA rural states would not be able to voice in their best interest.
Yes they would, except the individual votes of the citizens residing in those states would not be worth more than those of other citizens.
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On November 22 2016 21:22 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 21:13 Noidberg wrote:On November 22 2016 20:48 Simberto wrote:
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me. United states is basically a collective of small countries. That being said if the popular vote decided what was best for the USA rural states would not be able to voice in their best interest. Yes they would, except the individual votes of the citizens residing in those states would not be worth more than those of other citizens.
Ok and thats the same thing as having no vote at all. Btw im going to read those Federalist papers, thanks.
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On November 22 2016 19:47 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 19:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 22 2016 19:32 zeo wrote:On November 22 2016 19:23 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2016 19:10 zeo wrote:On November 22 2016 16:14 Leporello wrote:
The idea that CNN is the problem with the media is fucking absurd. Did Trump ever say what CNN so egregiously lied about that warrants singling them out?
You can't be serious? CNN hit rock bottom this election cycle. Planting members of their audience, telling them what questions to ask, how to answer questions the hosts ask them, rigging their own polls. Not to mention giving presidential debate questions to the Clinton camp before the 2nd debate. They lost whatever little credibility they had, its laughable they are even being invited to anything to do with politics. edit: Fox News was anti-Trump for most of the election cycle, because they hate the Democrats more it turned them into the most balanced news organization this election cycle (as incredible as that sounds). There were Fox shows that shat on Trump all the time. So its kind of ironic how low everything has fallen that Fox would become the most balanced news source. You seem to think that because there are shows that shat on Trump, and shows that praised him, Fox is good media. No. It's still trash. It was just trash that didn't uniformly pick a side. And it really isn't the president's job too invite the msm to a meeting and then shit all over them. We can definitely have the discussion over how the media should be reformed, especially in order to deal with the newfound revelling in truthiness. But what this meeting was, was Trump just going "neener neener" at them like he's some 8-yo whose mum agreed with him over his brother. It is foolish and childish, and while it doesn't mean the end of the free press, it should certainly not make xdaunt and you that happy that your president elect throws temper tantrums like a spoilt brat. Press in the US is free to lie till their fingers start bleeding and their tongues fall out, but Trump has the right to tell them all to fuck off. There are serious news organizations that didn't take sides or didn't take money from political donors this election cycle and they will be welcomed with open arms in the White House. Tabloid filth and corrupt media arms of political parties have no place there. And in your world were it's ok for the president to attack the press if he doesn't like it, who is suppose to point out that he lies all the fucking time? It's a serious question. The press have been painting him as Hitler for a year and a half now, some are even inciting riots. The President should be able to stand up to bullies on behalf of the people. The people of America voted him in and an attack on him is an attack on the US itself (edit: or should I say, the interests of America). As Obama would often say: 'You are on the wrong side of history now' edit: acting like children that didn't get the toy they wanted is doing no one any favors.
A very good thing that the right wing media hasn't been demonizing Hillary and doing propaganda for months with barrages of lies and conspiracy theories to get Trump elected. To thank them for their Goebbelian work, Trump has appointed Bannon.
See the thing is that the NYT or the Guardian don't need to lie to show how much of a disaster Trump is. All they did was say "look he said that and it's horrifying/clearly bullshit".
If you are serious about the press being crap i want you to start by saying that Breitbart and the alt right media is the worst. Then we get to talk about CNN.
Otherwise the future is not in bringing back unqualified industrial and manufacturing jobs. Nor is it in rurality. Nor is it in science denial and bigotry. Nor is it in nationalist isolationism.
The far right won a significant battle but in a war that is lost in advance.
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On November 22 2016 21:32 Noidberg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 21:22 kwizach wrote:On November 22 2016 21:13 Noidberg wrote:On November 22 2016 20:48 Simberto wrote:
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me. United states is basically a collective of small countries. That being said if the popular vote decided what was best for the USA rural states would not be able to voice in their best interest. Yes they would, except the individual votes of the citizens residing in those states would not be worth more than those of other citizens. Ok and thats the same thing as having no vote at all. Btw im going to read those Federalist papers, thanks.
In which way is having an equal vote the same as having no vote at all? And what does that mean about the current situation, where not everyone has an equal vote? Does that mean that currently, the urban people don't have a vote at all, as they currently have less of a vote than a rural person, and if having an equal vote is the same as having no vote at all, than having less of a vote is at least as bad.
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On November 22 2016 22:00 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2016 21:32 Noidberg wrote:On November 22 2016 21:22 kwizach wrote:On November 22 2016 21:13 Noidberg wrote:On November 22 2016 20:48 Simberto wrote:
You are actually correct here. I just don't see how giving the decision to the majority and giving everyone an equal vote would be undemocratic, that sounds very democratic to me. United states is basically a collective of small countries. That being said if the popular vote decided what was best for the USA rural states would not be able to voice in their best interest. Yes they would, except the individual votes of the citizens residing in those states would not be worth more than those of other citizens. Ok and thats the same thing as having no vote at all. Btw im going to read those Federalist papers, thanks. In which way is having an equal vote the same as having no vote at all? And what does that mean about the current situation, where not everyone has an equal vote? Does that mean that currently, the urban people don't have a vote at all, as they currently have less of a vote than a rural person, and if having an equal vote is the same as having no vote at all, than having less of a vote is at least as bad.
We were being hypothetical. Dont worry the EC awards more points for higher population states so in order for rural states to make an impact they really need to band together. Which they do as they naturally share the same interests. Some states flip flop often and some are notoriously unchanging but like i said perceptions and needs change so its never always dem or rep in office,
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It's called biased towards fairness. CNN won't just straight up say yes they are people otherwise they don't get ratings and it makes them seem unfair to idiotic extremists who may be watching.
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LONDON — When President-elect Donald J. Trump met with the British politician Nigel Farage in recent days, he encouraged Mr. Farage and his entourage to oppose the kind of offshore wind farms that Mr. Trump believes will mar the pristine view from one of his two Scottish golf courses, according to one person present.
The meeting, held shortly after the presidential election, raises new questions about Mr. Trump’s willingness to use the power of the presidency to advance his business interests. Mr. Trump has long opposed a wind farm planned near his course in Aberdeenshire, and he previously fought unsuccessfully all the way to Britain’s highest court to block it.
The group that met with Mr. Trump in New York was led by Mr. Farage, the head of the U.K. Independence Party and a member of the European Parliament. Mr. Farage, who was a leading voice advocating Britain’s exit from the European Union, or Brexit, campaigned with Mr. Trump during the election. Arron Banks, an insurance executive who was a major financier of the Brexit campaign, was also in attendance.
“He did not say he hated wind farms as a concept; he just did not like them spoiling the views,” said Andy Wigmore, the media consultant who was present at the meeting and was photographed with Mr. Trump.
Mr. Wigmore headed communications for Leave.EU, one of the two groups that led the Brexit effort. He said in an email that he and Mr. Banks would be “campaigning against wind farms in England, Scotland and Wales.”
Mr. Wigmore said that Mr. Banks had previously opposed wind farms and that they had been studying the issue on their own. However, he said, Mr. Trump "did suggest that we should campaign on it” and “spurred us in and we will be going for it.”
His account of the meeting was previously reported in The Express, a British paper.
Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump’s transition office, at first disputed that Mr. Trump had raised the subject of wind farms with Mr. Farage, suggesting that participants in the conversation “denied this took place.” However, when pressed with the fact that one of the meeting’s attendees, Mr. Wigmore, had described the conversation in detail, she declined repeated requests to comment.
Amanda Miller, vice president for marketing at the Trump Organization, also declined through a spokeswoman to comment.
Mr. Farage’s office did not respond to requests for comment. Mr. Farage did sent out a Twitter post after the meeting, saying: “It was a great honour to spend time with @realDonaldTrump. He was relaxed and full of good ideas. I’m confident he will be a good president.”
Mr. Trump and his family’s blending of business and political interests and appearances have received increasing scrutiny during the transition. Since the election, he has met with Indian business partners and his new Washington hotel has become a destination for diplomats. His daughter Ivanka, an executive in the Trump Organization, sat in on a meeting with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, and her jewelry company promoted a $10,800 bracelet she wore during a postelection appearance with her father on “60 Minutes.”
Separately, one of Argentina’s most influential television programs reported on Sunday that during a congratulations call from President Mauricio Macri of Argentina after the election, Mr. Trump asked for Mr. Macri’s support for a project to build an office tower in Buenos Aires.
A spokesman for Mr. Macri denied the report on Monday, saying the two spoke only about official matters.
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Never thought I'd see the day for a politician to humiliate and completely discredit the media to this degree. The media often holds all the cards and controls the narrative but things have flipped now and it's great. I thought the damage done was good enough even if trump lost but with him winning this will go on for another 4 years  These super pacs deserve to finally be called out and ignored until they get their shit together.
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Again I think I can safely call any of you Trump supporter who rejoice of his attack on the press on the argument that the press is shit and biased, but sees no problem in him appointing the boss of the one shittiest, most propaganda based and most biased media in the landscape (namely Breitbart), a hypocrite.
I'm fine with criticizing the media, but there is only so far you can go into the double standard without people calling BS. Trump is attacking the media because the media points out his lies or is hostile to his views. And you are happy that he does so, not because the media is bad, but on the opposite, because the media keeps a (feeble) ability to call bullshit. And there has been an ungodly amount of bullshit to call in everything he's done and said. The guy has been grossly lying 20 times a day in average during his campaign, which is unprecedented, and the role of the press is to point that out, which frankly they haven't done nearly enough.
But yeah, let's reshape the narrative. True talker (lololol) The Donald taking out the unfair establishment media (should I add: "saaaaaaaad.")
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