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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42578 Posts
November 08 2016 17:56 GMT
#119621
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...


I don't get how he thinks he's the good guy in this situation. He's alleging that they let too many citizens vote and that some of those citizen's votes should be discounted.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 17:58:27
November 08 2016 17:57 GMT
#119622
On November 09 2016 02:53 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:33 Dan HH wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me


Are you actually serious?

Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud?

Good god man....


Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse

He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves.


I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is

How is it disrespectful when it's literally done with the intention of paying respect to her? Why would your fetishization of graves be a priority over their actual intention?


I don't think it's very rational to assume just because you intend to respect someone with an action means it can't be found disrespectful

And the second sentence is just a loaded question. I just think it's disrespectful to what she fought for and believed in to presume she would be proud of either candidate in this election

I don't see this having anything to do with the candidates. And it was a rhetorical question, the disrespect you see is not towards Susan B. Anthony but towards your (or rather our) unquestioning reverence of death/burial. Graves are not some untouchable holy artifacts, there's no rational reason to be upset about this, I assume they're gonna take the stickers off afterwards and all you're left with is nothing but the fact that a bunch of people paid respect to her.


I'm not upset. All I said was I found it disrespectful. The disrespect has nothing to do with a religious reverence for burial or gravesites

If you don't think so then it doesn't matter. The only person around who could be disrespected by it isn't so in any case it's a moot point
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 17:59:52
November 08 2016 17:57 GMT
#119623
On November 09 2016 02:56 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680

I don't get how he thinks he's the good guy in this situation. He's alleging that they let too many citizens vote and that some of those citizen's votes should be discounted.

You have to be delusional and assume that everyone is against you and you would win all the time if people didn't' cheat you out of victory.

Edit: GGT - you might want to use the word "uncomfortable". Disrespectful is a pretty strong term and is commonly associated with being upset and offended. It doesn't accurately describe your feelings on the matter.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 08 2016 17:58 GMT
#119624
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.


maybe he has $$$ left on the monthly legal retainer?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 08 2016 17:59 GMT
#119625
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42578 Posts
November 08 2016 18:04 GMT
#119626
Obviously it's not an exact science but the markets are swinging upwards pretty strongly, and did yesterday too. That's a pretty strong indicator that the financial markets predict a Clinton win, and they work pretty hard to find out as much information as possible as early as possible because information = money, the better informed you are the bigger your edge.

They could be wrong of course and like any other prediction, it's not an exact rule, if the markets placed Hillary's odds at 70% and they think it should be closer to 75% we'd see this outcome and it still wouldn't mean Trump couldn't win 25% of the time. But it does mean that the Wall Street consensus right now is that she's outperforming her odds.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 08 2016 18:08 GMT
#119627
It's one of the most ridiculous, chaotic, unprecedented elections in the last 50 years and in living memory of many voters KwarK. If this was Bush versus Kerry or even Obama versus McCain I'd look to the tradition indicators. Today fuck Guam, fuck the markets, the polls are the only thing for me.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-08 18:11:03
November 08 2016 18:09 GMT
#119628
The GOP really seems to have missed the memo on trying to hide their systematic voter disenfranchisement strategy this year. This lawsuit, the issues in NC...it's more naked than ever. Then again, I suppose that's kind of a theme in this election.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States599 Posts
November 08 2016 18:09 GMT
#119629
On November 09 2016 02:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:53 Dan HH wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:33 Dan HH wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me


Are you actually serious?

Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud?

Good god man....


Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse

He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves.


I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is

How is it disrespectful when it's literally done with the intention of paying respect to her? Why would your fetishization of graves be a priority over their actual intention?


I don't think it's very rational to assume just because you intend to respect someone with an action means it can't be found disrespectful

And the second sentence is just a loaded question. I just think it's disrespectful to what she fought for and believed in to presume she would be proud of either candidate in this election

I don't see this having anything to do with the candidates. And it was a rhetorical question, the disrespect you see is not towards Susan B. Anthony but towards your (or rather our) unquestioning reverence of death/burial. Graves are not some untouchable holy artifacts, there's no rational reason to be upset about this, I assume they're gonna take the stickers off afterwards and all you're left with is nothing but the fact that a bunch of people paid respect to her.


I'm not upset. All I said was I found it disrespectful. The disrespect has nothing to do with a religious reverence for burial or gravesites

If you don't think so then it doesn't matter. The only person around who could be disrespected by it isn't so in any case it's a moot point



Let it go man. You dont like the stickers, we get it. you dont need to get the last word. The fact that you think stickers are less respectful than flowers is totally subjective and irrespective of the context behind the self important stickers.
I am, therefore I pee
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 08 2016 18:10 GMT
#119630
On November 09 2016 03:04 KwarK wrote:
Obviously it's not an exact science but the markets are swinging upwards pretty strongly, and did yesterday too. That's a pretty strong indicator that the financial markets predict a Clinton win, and they work pretty hard to find out as much information as possible as early as possible because information = money, the better informed you are the bigger your edge.

They could be wrong of course and like any other prediction, it's not an exact rule, if the markets placed Hillary's odds at 70% and they think it should be closer to 75% we'd see this outcome and it still wouldn't mean Trump couldn't win 25% of the time. But it does mean that the Wall Street consensus right now is that she's outperforming her odds.

The markets don't know for sure and that is basically just a way of saying "people who work on this think this is what will happen." It serves as a decent sanity check - in that if your results are way out of line with betting odds then you better have a damn good reason to think that they are wrong - but it's no proof.

The markets did severely underestimate Brexit relative to the polls, I might mention. That will be the favorite example of everyone this year but it's perfectly valid.

Though betting odds is an interesting topic of the philosophical discussion of "fair odds" determination of probabilities.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15665 Posts
November 08 2016 18:10 GMT
#119631
On November 09 2016 03:04 KwarK wrote:
Obviously it's not an exact science but the markets are swinging upwards pretty strongly, and did yesterday too. That's a pretty strong indicator that the financial markets predict a Clinton win, and they work pretty hard to find out as much information as possible as early as possible because information = money, the better informed you are the bigger your edge.

They could be wrong of course and like any other prediction, it's not an exact rule, if the markets placed Hillary's odds at 70% and they think it should be closer to 75% we'd see this outcome and it still wouldn't mean Trump couldn't win 25% of the time. But it does mean that the Wall Street consensus right now is that she's outperforming her odds.


My friend works in computational finance stuff. I don't know exactly what they do, but they trade stuff. When there is uncertainty or volatility in the world, they make a ton of money. He was saying that if Trump wins tonight, he won't be sleeping. He'll basically be working continuously throughout the entire night until who knows when.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21653 Posts
November 08 2016 18:11 GMT
#119632
On November 09 2016 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.

I doubt there will be an official answer today, Trump is not going to throw in the towel and congratulate Hillary when she hits 270, he's going to try and drag this as long as he can. Out of spite if nothing else.

Possibly a few more law suits for recounts and fraud but that's not going to help him. It will actually have the reverse effect and keep the media talking about how Trump lost for longer.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 08 2016 18:12 GMT
#119633
On November 09 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.

I doubt there will be an official answer today, Trump is not going to throw in the towel and congratulate Hillary when she hits 270, he's going to try and drag this as long as he can. Out of spite if nothing else.

Possibly a few more law suits for recounts and fraud but that's not going to help him. It will actually have the reverse effect and keep the media talking about how Trump lost for longer.

The interesting side topic for all this is what it's going to do to Trumps wealth.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21653 Posts
November 08 2016 18:13 GMT
#119634
On November 09 2016 03:09 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The GOP really seems to have missed the memo on trying to hide their systematic voter disenfranchisement strategy this year. This lawsuit, the issues in NC...it's more naked than ever. Then again, I suppose that's kind of a theme in this election.

Why do they need to try and hide it when there is no backlash for them doing it?
Not like the people they are trying to suppress would have voted for them anyway.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 08 2016 18:13 GMT
#119635
Should put a list of all ban bets in the banner.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 08 2016 18:14 GMT
#119636
On November 09 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.

I doubt there will be an official answer today, Trump is not going to throw in the towel and congratulate Hillary when she hits 270, he's going to try and drag this as long as he can. Out of spite if nothing else.

Possibly a few more law suits for recounts and fraud but that's not going to help him. It will actually have the reverse effect and keep the media talking about how Trump lost for longer.

Official answers always take a while. But a "judgment call" of who won is enough in most cases to call it a night unless the results really are fucked.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 08 2016 18:14 GMT
#119637


This photo was taken this morning and says everything about Trump.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2016 18:15 GMT
#119638
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 08 2016 18:16 GMT
#119639
On November 09 2016 03:12 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.

I doubt there will be an official answer today, Trump is not going to throw in the towel and congratulate Hillary when she hits 270, he's going to try and drag this as long as he can. Out of spite if nothing else.

Possibly a few more law suits for recounts and fraud but that's not going to help him. It will actually have the reverse effect and keep the media talking about how Trump lost for longer.

The interesting side topic for all this is what it's going to do to Trumps wealth.


High 9 or low 10 digit haircut I think.

Evidently the only hotel in DC not sold out of the inauguration is the Trump one. I'll bet it goes out of business before 2020, then we can make jokes about how he couldn't make it 4 years on Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21653 Posts
November 08 2016 18:16 GMT
#119640
On November 09 2016 03:12 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 03:11 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:54 Plansix wrote:
On November 09 2016 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which is perfectly legal...

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/796044515840839680



That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.

He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.

I want to sleep knowing who won, thank you very much.

I doubt there will be an official answer today, Trump is not going to throw in the towel and congratulate Hillary when she hits 270, he's going to try and drag this as long as he can. Out of spite if nothing else.

Possibly a few more law suits for recounts and fraud but that's not going to help him. It will actually have the reverse effect and keep the media talking about how Trump lost for longer.

The interesting side topic for all this is what it's going to do to Trumps wealth.

Nothing?

Depending on FEC filings he might get some fines for miss use of campaign funds but I doubt his hotels/resorts/golf courses are going to suffer from him losing.
No one is probably going to want him in their upcoming tv shows tho but that money is peanuts anyway.
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