|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is
Isn't the entire idea of a woman voting, for a freaking woman no less, an extremely important thing to the person who fought for women's right to vote? If I was her, and I was somehow aware of this, I feel like I'd be brought to tears. Imagine how MLK would feel seeing Obama being elected. Voting for a woman for president was a wild, amazing dream for SBA.
|
On November 09 2016 02:12 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 01:57 KwarK wrote:Don't Guam vote just to remind everyone that they're a special group of Americans who don't get a say in how they're governed? Guam and PR and the other territories yeah. It's a very big problem I have personally and no one wants to hear it in particular. It's rich that we, a country bristling with indignation at taxation without representation, hold millions as citizens without the right to vote.
Well, they can't be a state until they want to be a state-and Puerto Rico and Guam have yet to do that as far as I know. Plus, they get taxed less than they would if they were a state, and still receive a fairly substantial amount of benefits.
|
On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is
How is it disrespectful when it's literally done with the intention of paying respect to her? Why would your fetishization of graves be a priority over their actual intention?
|
On November 09 2016 02:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Isn't the entire idea of a woman voting, for a freaking woman no less, an extremely important thing to the person who fought for women's right to vote? If I was her, and I was somehow aware of this, I feel like I'd be brought to tears. Imagine how MLK would feel seeing Obama being elected. Voting for a woman for president was a wild, amazing dream for SBA.
I don't think her probably being happy about it and it being a little disrespectful are mutually exclusive.
I'm not really taking a position either way, just pointing out that "but she'd be happy about it!" is not really a counterargument to GGTemplar claiming it's disrespectful.
|
On November 09 2016 02:28 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is Isn't the entire idea of a woman voting, for a freaking woman no less, an extremely important thing to the person who fought for women's right to vote? If I was her, and I was somehow aware of this, I feel like I'd be brought to tears. Imagine how MLK would feel seeing Obama being elected. Voting for a woman for president was a wild, amazing dream for SBA.
I would think she would be pretty disgusted with both candidates tbh and wouldn't take kindly to her final resting place being vandalized by self-righteous 'IM IMPORTANT' stickers
This is all speculation and not really worth arguing about though
|
United States42570 Posts
On November 09 2016 02:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:12 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 01:57 KwarK wrote:Don't Guam vote just to remind everyone that they're a special group of Americans who don't get a say in how they're governed? Guam and PR and the other territories yeah. It's a very big problem I have personally and no one wants to hear it in particular. It's rich that we, a country bristling with indignation at taxation without representation, hold millions as citizens without the right to vote. Well, they can't be a state until they want to be a state-and Puerto Rico and Guam have yet to do that as far as I know. Plus, they get taxed less than they would if they were a state, and still receive a fairly substantial amount of benefits.
Except when Congress amends the 1984 bankruptcy code to fuck over Puerto Rico specifically. As in someone wrote in "also Puerto Rico can get fucked" on an unrelated bill and nobody knows who inserted it, or why. But the now the law states that Puerto Rico can get fucked so the Supreme Court upheld "fuck Puerto Rico" in a 5-2 decision.
From 1933 to 1984 there was no such rule, it just got slipped in on an amendment and nobody really knows why we now have to fuck Puero Rico but that's the law now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/politics/supreme-court-rules-against-puerto-rico-in-debt-restructuring-case.html
|
A nice posterboard with "Thank You" on it and everyone's stickers would've been more tactful. And nicer-looking.
But really, they're cheap stickers with enough glue on them to stick for about a whole hour before they fall off.
I think things will be okay.
|
On November 09 2016 02:29 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:12 Probe1 wrote:On November 09 2016 01:57 KwarK wrote:Don't Guam vote just to remind everyone that they're a special group of Americans who don't get a say in how they're governed? Guam and PR and the other territories yeah. It's a very big problem I have personally and no one wants to hear it in particular. It's rich that we, a country bristling with indignation at taxation without representation, hold millions as citizens without the right to vote. Well, they can't be a state until they want to be a state-and Puerto Rico and Guam have yet to do that as far as I know. Plus, they get taxed less than they would if they were a state, and still receive a fairly substantial amount of benefits.
PR in particular receives more money than they are taxed. It isn't that there's some element of robbery to it. It's that it happens at all.
That doesn't change my distaste for the situation and I wish it was forced to come to a decision. Many Puerto Ricans want to become a state, many do not. It will probably be decades of the same.
|
On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is
You are entitled to that opinion. But I doubt that anyone putting those stickers on the graves is looking for a stranger’s approval to do so.
|
On November 09 2016 02:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:28 Mohdoo wrote:On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is Isn't the entire idea of a woman voting, for a freaking woman no less, an extremely important thing to the person who fought for women's right to vote? If I was her, and I was somehow aware of this, I feel like I'd be brought to tears. Imagine how MLK would feel seeing Obama being elected. Voting for a woman for president was a wild, amazing dream for SBA. This is all speculation and not really worth arguing about though
Agreed. Its election day and we're all crazy. Or at least I am. Currently organizing my desktop and filesystem at work. Almost done organizing all my cabinets too. Anything to make the time go by even a little bit faster.
|
On November 09 2016 02:33 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is How is it disrespectful when it's literally done with the intention of paying respect to her? Why would your fetishization of graves be a priority over their actual intention?
I don't think it's very rational to assume just because you intend to respect someone with an action means it can't be found disrespectful
And the second sentence is just a loaded question. I just think it's disrespectful to what she fought for and believed in to presume she would be proud of either candidate in this election
On November 09 2016 02:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is You are entitled to that opinion. But I doubt that anyone putting those stickers on the graves is looking for a stranger’s approval to do so.
Obviously
|
So, do you vote for your very own Boris Johnson or your very own Angela Merkel?
Any news about how it is going, some trends in the eastern swing states?
|
We are veering close to “cultural appropriation” level arguments where we all start discussion a movement that was not centered around us(dudes) and defending our opinion on being uncomfortable/supporting about the way people show support for that movement. We are not the family members of the suffragettes and not the people placing those stickers. All our opinions on the subject are valid, but also have zero relevance.
|
susan b anthony probably wouldnt mind and the people doing it dont seem to be doing it with any ill intentions. i dont see why people should be outraged on whoever else's behalf.
|
I'm not offended or outraged about it at all; I don't even think it's a big deal
|
Which is perfectly legal...
|
I had to wait for over an hour to vote which is the longest it has ever been for me. South-eastern Michigan, lots of women and young people in line.
|
On November 09 2016 02:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2016 02:33 Dan HH wrote:On November 09 2016 02:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:22 Plansix wrote:On November 09 2016 02:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 09 2016 02:16 BallinWitStalin wrote:On November 09 2016 01:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Seems pretty disrespectful to me Are you actually serious? Do you think that Susan B Anthony would mind? You don't think she'd be proud? Good god man.... Sorry I can't hear you from up there on that high horse He isn’t wrong though. I doubt any of the suffragettes would be upset about women celebrating their right to vote by leaving things at their graves. I don't think the flowers are disrespectful. I think covering her grave in stickers is How is it disrespectful when it's literally done with the intention of paying respect to her? Why would your fetishization of graves be a priority over their actual intention? I don't think it's very rational to assume just because you intend to respect someone with an action means it can't be found disrespectful And the second sentence is just a loaded question. I just think it's disrespectful to what she fought for and believed in to presume she would be proud of either candidate in this election
I don't see this having anything to do with the candidates. And it was a rhetorical question, the disrespect you see is not towards Susan B. Anthony but towards your (or rather our) unquestioning reverence of death/burial. Graves are not some untouchable holy artifacts, there's no rational reason to be upset about this, I assume they're gonna take the stickers off afterwards and all you're left with is nothing but the fact that a bunch of people paid respect to her.
|
On November 09 2016 02:52 CobaltBlu wrote:
I had to wait for over an hour to vote which is the longest it has ever been for me. South-eastern Michigan, lots of women and young people in line.
i just cast a vote in grosse pointe, long lines here too.
|
That is going to get dismissed for zero grounds.
He could have filed that tomorrow, but that wouldn’t be Trump. He has to be fucking brain dead. Nevada should keep the polls open to midnight out of spite, even if no one is voting at that point.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
